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"Prince needs to work with _______ blah blah blah!" In Jon Bream's otherwise good MPLS Star Tribune review of 3121, he finishes by insisting that the album leaves listeners slightly unsatisfied (no pun intended)...and that Prince should work with one of a laundry list of young R&B/hip hop/neo-soul stars. I'm sure we've all seen this claim a thousand times. And I'm guilty of making it myself back in the Rave > 'High' days. But I retract my similar claims, and think it's a foolish assertment to make.
I find it hard to believe that anyone could listen to the material Prince made between 1998-2000 and compare it to the music he's released since TRC, and say that he still needs to bring in outside help to assist him in "finding that Princely magic again." Whether one loves or hates TRC, NEWS, 3121, etc., the music at long last finally seems like Prince is motivated again. The man was coasting during the Rave/High era, producing plastic sounding tossoff songs. I was always whining about how he should work with ?uestlove...bring in the Neptunes or whoever...do an album with the Soulquarians. At the time, I thought that was justified. To each their own, and I admit my own ego-driven claims, but it just seems foolish to me that anyone would still make these claims. I HATED (and still hate) NEWS, but to me that music sounds a thousand times more passionate than even the few songs I love from the terrible 1998-2000 days (Come On, I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore, Supercute, etc.). As divided as Prince fans are about TRC and NEWS, and as they will likely be about 3121, there is a different feeling to his more recent work. In the words of the liner notes from TGE, Prince seems to be once again "panning for gold." Maybe he doesn't always find it. Often times, all he turns up is a turd or three, and they can only be polished so much. But you can HEAR the man panning. And it's a far different sound to me than coasting. Though I'll never listen to NEWS again (probably) unless forced to at gunpoint, I can honestly say that I appreciate its place in Prince's development. By making the weird madness that is TRC...releasing his so-called "piano album"...musically masturbating on NEWS...he seems to have rediscovered his muse. The Prince of 1998-2000 could NEVER have made Musicology. And in no way, shape, or form could he have made 3121!!! An artist should never turn to outside help until he/she is legitimately and fully out of inspiration and ideas, stuck in a rut, or putting lame commercials on their albums as hidden tracks (okay, scratch that last one!). As long as they're still passionate about the music they create, and it doesn't sound like dashed-off monkey shit (see My Medallion), they don't need help. Even bad songs are still artistically valid if they're the product of actual expression and effot. It's hard for an outside observer to split these hairs...which is which...but I feel that Prince's music of today VS. his music of 1998-2000 is one case when this comparison can be made. As such, Bream's suggestion is unneeded and unwarranted. What are your thoughts? "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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yeah, i'd read his review in the strib today too and i just rolled my eyes at that shit. i figured it was gonna be said somewhere along the line. the brotha don't need to work with nobody, really--fer fuck's sake, if he did then it'd have to be his way or not at all. mr. bream should know better than that, he's been following prince throughout his entire career anydamnway. | |
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Shit, if you reappeared then I can pop in to say hello. (Used to be Goldn*gga2000 from the black and purple days)
(how wack was that...lol) To answer your question, I just want Me'Shell N'Degeocello to play in his band. Won't happen due to a recent episode but ahh well. Her revolving door has had far more adventurous players than P has had for quite some time. The mouth-foamers can have all the other expectations. [Edited 3/21/06 17:00pm] | |
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Hello Dansa and The Orger Formerly Known as GoldN*gga2000! Long time no speak...
My problem with this shit isn't that Prince shouldn't play with new artists or anything. That's fine; everyone should mix it up every now and then. What I have a beef with, however, is when people say he should do all this in order to "find that Prince sound again." As if some other fucker's sitting there holding the key to Prince's past genius or something. Let Prince play with ?uestlove or whoever the fuck to make THEIR OWN SOUND. A new sound. Don't pretend as if some relative upstart is going to come around and show Prince how to do it all again. And why do these critics always seem to be so fixated on Prince rediscovering his sound anyway? When he does put out something that sounds like his old school shit, they say it's a pointless retread. Fucker can't win, you know? "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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KingSausage said: Hello Dansa and The Orger Formerly Known as GoldN*gga2000! Long time no speak...
whoa, is that who soulive is? hey, gold!  
My problem with this shit isn't that Prince shouldn't play with new artists or anything. That's fine; everyone should mix it up every now and then. What I have a beef with, however, is when people say he should do all this in order to "find that Prince sound again." As if some other fucker's sitting there holding the key to Prince's past genius or something. Let Prince play with ?uestlove or whoever the fuck to make THEIR OWN SOUND. A new sound. Don't pretend as if some relative upstart is going to come around and show Prince how to do it all again. And why do these critics always seem to be so fixated on Prince rediscovering his sound anyway? When he does put out something that sounds like his old school shit, they say it's a pointless retread. Fucker can't win, you know?
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Prince is a take it or leave it artist. I can be called a card-carrying admirer of plenty of artists but I think Prince's fanbase continues to be the one most divisive on his music, the past and most importantly, where he SHOULD be now. It seems they are insecure in their own famdom to the point where they need commerical success to be attained to validate their own wackiness, all the while claiming never to care about others knowing "what's up"...
This is where the paradox comes into play. Anyone who's taken even the slightest pause at his career knows that its been filled with peaks and valleys, both commercially and creatively. The bottom line however has always been Prince. Prince is accountable, good, bad or indifferent, for his career and at no point has expressed even the slightest desire to consult fans for shit, at least not with any seriousness...lol. Where the line was blurred between being a fan and being a stockholder was blurred, I don't know. Its like if 3121 don't crack the top 10, Land O Lakes can't churn butter anymore. Tangential observation: whenever potentional "collaborators" are mentioned, its usually one's who, to some degree, have the sound Prince created. I read over on another site that Black Sweat was Prince "trying to sound like the Neptunes"...who have recently tried to sound like Prince (???) LMAO. Hilarity ensues | |
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Hey buddy  Who'd lie about being an obscure Sheila E obsessed assmunch like me...lol | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: yeah, i'd read his review in the strib today too and i just rolled my eyes at that shit. i figured it was gonna be said somewhere along the line. the brotha don't need to work with nobody, really--fer fuck's sake, if he did then it'd have to be his way or not at all. mr. bream should know better than that, he's been following prince throughout his entire career anydamnway.
What's Mr Bean doing reviewing his new album anyway? 
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BananaCologne said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: yeah, i'd read his review in the strib today too and i just rolled my eyes at that shit. i figured it was gonna be said somewhere along the line. the brotha don't need to work with nobody, really--fer fuck's sake, if he did then it'd have to be his way or not at all. mr. bream should know better than that, he's been following prince throughout his entire career anydamnway.
What's Mr Bean doing reviewing his new album anyway?
 that'd be hilarious if mr. bean really did do a review for the album...live on the air...he'd have his teddy bear doing counter-points and stuff... | |
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I'm lost...  "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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KingSausage said: In Jon Bream's otherwise good MPLS Star Tribune review of 3121, he finishes by insisting that the album leaves listeners slightly unsatisfied (no pun intended)...and that Prince should work with one of a laundry list of young R&B/hip hop/neo-soul stars. I'm sure we've all seen this claim a thousand times. And I'm guilty of making it myself back in the Rave > 'High' days. But I retract my similar claims, and think it's a foolish assertment to make.
I find it hard to believe that anyone could listen to the material Prince made between 1998-2000 and compare it to the music he's released since TRC, and say that he still needs to bring in outside help to assist him in "finding that Princely magic again." Whether one loves or hates TRC, NEWS, 3121, etc., the music at long last finally seems like Prince is motivated again. The man was coasting during the Rave/High era, producing plastic sounding tossoff songs. I was always whining about how he should work with ?uestlove...bring in the Neptunes or whoever...do an album with the Soulquarians. At the time, I thought that was justified. To each their own, and I admit my own ego-driven claims, but it just seems foolish to me that anyone would still make these claims. I HATED (and still hate) NEWS, but to me that music sounds a thousand times more passionate than even the few songs I love from the terrible 1998-2000 days (Come On, I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore, Supercute, etc.). As divided as Prince fans are about TRC and NEWS, and as they will likely be about 3121, there is a different feeling to his more recent work. In the words of the liner notes from TGE, Prince seems to be once again "panning for gold." Maybe he doesn't always find it. Often times, all he turns up is a turd or three, and they can only be polished so much. But you can HEAR the man panning. And it's a far different sound to me than coasting. Though I'll never listen to NEWS again (probably) unless forced to at gunpoint, I can honestly say that I appreciate its place in Prince's development. By making the weird madness that is TRC...releasing his so-called "piano album"...musically masturbating on NEWS...he seems to have rediscovered his muse. The Prince of 1998-2000 could NEVER have made Musicology. And in no way, shape, or form could he have made 3121!!! An artist should never turn to outside help until he/she is legitimately and fully out of inspiration and ideas, stuck in a rut, or putting lame commercials on their albums as hidden tracks (okay, scratch that last one!). As long as they're still passionate about the music they create, and it doesn't sound like dashed-off monkey shit (see My Medallion), they don't need help. Even bad songs are still artistically valid if they're the product of actual expression and effot. It's hard for an outside observer to split these hairs...which is which...but I feel that Prince's music of today VS. his music of 1998-2000 is one case when this comparison can be made. As such, Bream's suggestion is unneeded and unwarranted. What are your thoughts? I think I want to have your babies | |
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DiamondGirl said: I think I want to have your babies
this thread is just like the olden days...
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This echos much of how I've felt (but is more eloquently written.)
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DiamondGirl said: KingSausage said: In Jon Bream's otherwise good MPLS Star Tribune review of 3121, he finishes by insisting that the album leaves listeners slightly unsatisfied (no pun intended)...and that Prince should work with one of a laundry list of young R&B/hip hop/neo-soul stars. I'm sure we've all seen this claim a thousand times. And I'm guilty of making it myself back in the Rave > 'High' days. But I retract my similar claims, and think it's a foolish assertment to make.
I find it hard to believe that anyone could listen to the material Prince made between 1998-2000 and compare it to the music he's released since TRC, and say that he still needs to bring in outside help to assist him in "finding that Princely magic again." Whether one loves or hates TRC, NEWS, 3121, etc., the music at long last finally seems like Prince is motivated again. The man was coasting during the Rave/High era, producing plastic sounding tossoff songs. I was always whining about how he should work with ?uestlove...bring in the Neptunes or whoever...do an album with the Soulquarians. At the time, I thought that was justified. To each their own, and I admit my own ego-driven claims, but it just seems foolish to me that anyone would still make these claims. I HATED (and still hate) NEWS, but to me that music sounds a thousand times more passionate than even the few songs I love from the terrible 1998-2000 days (Come On, I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore, Supercute, etc.). As divided as Prince fans are about TRC and NEWS, and as they will likely be about 3121, there is a different feeling to his more recent work. In the words of the liner notes from TGE, Prince seems to be once again "panning for gold." Maybe he doesn't always find it. Often times, all he turns up is a turd or three, and they can only be polished so much. But you can HEAR the man panning. And it's a far different sound to me than coasting. Though I'll never listen to NEWS again (probably) unless forced to at gunpoint, I can honestly say that I appreciate its place in Prince's development. By making the weird madness that is TRC...releasing his so-called "piano album"...musically masturbating on NEWS...he seems to have rediscovered his muse. The Prince of 1998-2000 could NEVER have made Musicology. And in no way, shape, or form could he have made 3121!!! An artist should never turn to outside help until he/she is legitimately and fully out of inspiration and ideas, stuck in a rut, or putting lame commercials on their albums as hidden tracks (okay, scratch that last one!). As long as they're still passionate about the music they create, and it doesn't sound like dashed-off monkey shit (see My Medallion), they don't need help. Even bad songs are still artistically valid if they're the product of actual expression and effot. It's hard for an outside observer to split these hairs...which is which...but I feel that Prince's music of today VS. his music of 1998-2000 is one case when this comparison can be made. As such, Bream's suggestion is unneeded and unwarranted. What are your thoughts? I think I want to have your babies  "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Andre needs to produce and be his advisor., All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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I LOVE THIS THREAD! And y'all have spoken much better than me, so I'll just leave it at that  | |
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KingSausage said: DiamondGirl said: I think I want to have your babies | |
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Upon listening to 3121 twice more, I stand by this thread even more strongly. If he keeps putting out CDs this good, I'll gladly eat my old words on naysayer toast... "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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KingSausage said: Upon listening to 3121 twice more, I stand by this thread even more strongly. If he keeps putting out CDs this good, I'll gladly eat my old words on naysayer toast...
the toast may be a bit moldy...there's lotsa naysayers still around, but not a lot of 'em are touchin the toast.  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: KingSausage said: Upon listening to 3121 twice more, I stand by this thread even more strongly. If he keeps putting out CDs this good, I'll gladly eat my old words on naysayer toast...
the toast may be a bit moldy...there's lotsa naysayers still around, but not a lot of 'em are touchin the toast. Well, they're the ones gonna be eating it if they're the last to get off on Prince's new shit... "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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KingSausage said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: the toast may be a bit moldy...there's lotsa naysayers still around, but not a lot of 'em are touchin the toast. Well, they're the ones gonna be eating it if they're the last to get off on Prince's new shit... oh me oh my. that shit's gonna be rank.  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Andre needs to produce and be his advisor.,
Andre can't even get his own shit together. |
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