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PrintableAnx said: MattyJam said: "Incense & Candles" and the word "inspired" should NEVER be used in the same sentence. The Sun The Moon & Stars is much, much better than that piece of piss. well, okay. so there THAT viewpoint is.  I'd agree that "The Sun The Moon & Stars" is a much better track and much more inspired sounding than "Incense & Candles". I don't hate "I&C", but I wouldn't call it very inspired sounding either.  No Sonny T?
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thebige said: Anx said: well, okay. so there THAT viewpoint is. I'd agree that "The Sun The Moon & Stars" is a much better track and much more inspired sounding than "Incense & Candles". I don't hate "I&C", but I wouldn't call it very inspired sounding either. i didn't say it was "inspired" - i said i thought it was MORE inspired than "sun moon & stars". i can say i think ramen noodles are tastier than used sweatsocks, but that doesn't mean i think ramen noodles are tasty. | |
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Anx said: thebige said: I'd agree that "The Sun The Moon & Stars" is a much better track and much more inspired sounding than "Incense & Candles". I don't hate "I&C", but I wouldn't call it very inspired sounding either. i didn't say it was "inspired" - i said i thought it was MORE inspired than "sun moon & stars". i can say i think ramen noodles are tastier than used sweatsocks, but that doesn't mean i think ramen noodles are tasty. Oh I heard ya, I just disagree. "I&C" may be more contrived than "Sun, Moon..." but more inspired? Naah...  No Sonny T?
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thebige said: Anx said: i didn't say it was "inspired" - i said i thought it was MORE inspired than "sun moon & stars". i can say i think ramen noodles are tastier than used sweatsocks, but that doesn't mean i think ramen noodles are tasty. Oh I heard ya, I just disagree. "I&C" may be more contrived than "Sun, Moon..." but more inspired? Naah... ok, well, that's where the roads diverge.  | |
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RNB, pop, soul, quirky, whatever. I just love every song.. Yesterday I inadvertently left my cd in my computer at work; my kids and I were having 3121 withdrawals..big time!!
My daughter sings Beautiful, Loved and Blessed every nite before she goes to bed. She's 9. My middle son (12) who is so into radio airplay, loves this CD as well.. His favorites are Love and BL&B. I just can't stop playing this CD.... u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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Octavius said: Prince can toss out some incredibly moving ballads, but the ones on 3121 are a bit disappointing (comparatively speaking). The rest of the album is hot.
I think "Satisfied" is OK by anyone else, but lacks any originality for Prince. It's a total rip and has been done a thousand times before by everyone. Thats why I like when Prince makes ballads his own style like he did on "Adore" and the "Dance" is all Prince I think. ______________________________________________
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PurpleCharm said: Here we go with the r&b bashing again.
Why don't I ever see any dissing towards P's pop or rock tracks? [Edited 3/22/06 9:13am] If you tell the truth theyll ban you. Then you wont even get the chance to bring them along at this snail's pace. I listen to Waiting Room or Love when I come here cuz its thick w/ this. We all know the deal. The orginal post said Fury was the only rock song on the album like "wait, there must be some mistake!" How the hell is something wrong w/ the music cuz some person dosent like it? Free yo mind and yo azz will follow. | |
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PurpleCharm said: Anx said: because nobody feels a need to? i like some of p's bedroom ballads, but some of them i think just follow the same ol' recipe with different words. i think a lot of 'em are boring, but i know the bedroom ballads are one of his trademarks, so i've made peace with the fact that they aren't ever going anywhere. I understand what you are saying, but..... there is an obvious bias against r&b music on this site. When someone doesn't like one of P's non-r&b songs, folks go into the specific details as to why they don't like it, without reference to it being a "rock" track or a "pop" track. When it comes to tracks that are non-rock or non-pop, it's immediately identified as being an r&b track, followed by that being the reason for not liking it...IMHO [Edited 3/22/06 9:48am] [Edited 3/22/06 9:49am] I've been noticing this apparent singling out of "R&B'', too. I don't understand it. Beautiful, Loved & Blessed is the song I've found myself going back to more than the others. It's the anchor for me, amongst many really good songs. It is really a beautiful song, with a nice bouncy, bob-ya-head beat and a wonderful message that, alone, makes it worthy of respect -- especially today. Refreshing is the word. To each his own. But I think some are shortchanging the appeal of this song. Peace OH! And Incense and Candles is my JAM, too. I feel just the opposite as the original post - If I had to choose between the two sets of songs, I'd take BL&B and Incense & Candles over Te Amo Corazon and The Dance with a quickness. lol Though I like all of them. Peaces [Edited 3/30/06 19:19pm] | |
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The Tamar song is the best song on the album.,lol All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: The Tamar song is the best song on the album.,lol
You are a psycho That is so not true 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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blackwell1 said: PurpleCharm said: I understand what you are saying, but..... there is an obvious bias against r&b music on this site. When someone doesn't like one of P's non-r&b songs, folks go into the specific details as to why they don't like it, without reference to it being a "rock" track or a "pop" track. When it comes to tracks that are non-rock or non-pop, it's immediately identified as being an r&b track, followed by that being the reason for not liking it...IMHO [Edited 3/22/06 9:48am] [Edited 3/22/06 9:49am] I've been noticing this apparent singling out of "R&B'', too. I don't understand it. Beautiful, Loved & Blessed is the song I've found myself going back to more than the others. It's the anchor for me, amongst many really good songs. It is really a beautiful song, with a nice bouncy, bob-ya-head beat and a wonderful message that, alone, makes it worthy of respect -- especially today. Refreshing is the word. To each his own. But I think some are shortchanging the appeal of this song. Peace OH! And Incense and Candles is my JAM, too. I feel just the opposite as the original post - If I had to choose between the two sets of songs, I'd take BL&B and Incense & Candles over Te Amo Corazon and The Dance with a quickness. lol Though I like all of them. Peaces [Edited 3/30/06 19:19pm] I was with you until you dissed The Dance. That's my favorite cut on the album. | |
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PurpleCharm said: blackwell1 said: I've been noticing this apparent singling out of "R&B'', too. I don't understand it. Beautiful, Loved & Blessed is the song I've found myself going back to more than the others. It's the anchor for me, amongst many really good songs. It is really a beautiful song, with a nice bouncy, bob-ya-head beat and a wonderful message that, alone, makes it worthy of respect -- especially today. Refreshing is the word. To each his own. But I think some are shortchanging the appeal of this song. Peace OH! And Incense and Candles is my JAM, too. I feel just the opposite as the original post - If I had to choose between the two sets of songs, I'd take BL&B and Incense & Candles over Te Amo Corazon and The Dance with a quickness. lol Though I like all of them. Peaces [Edited 3/30/06 19:19pm] I was with you until you dissed The Dance. That's my favorite cut on the album. Would it help if I told you "The Dance'' has grown on me, I'm feeling the emotion of how he finishes the song, especially? It's not a bad song to me. It's just got a lot of stellar competition on this CD!
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blackwell1 said: PurpleCharm said: I was with you until you dissed The Dance. That's my favorite cut on the album. Would it help if I told you "The Dance'' has grown on me, I'm feeling the emotion of how he finishes the song, especially? It's not a bad song to me. It's just got a lot of stellar competition on this CD!
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Good Grief! This place has been recently flooded with HATERS. This was strong, this was weak blah blah blah blah. Who really gives a fuck that your superior mind has found a lil flaw in This MANS music. Have you even bother to listen to beautiful,loved and blessed. Or were you to busy analyzing a pure Master of Musicianship. You'll never get it. This has got be one of the funkiest and soulful songs the man has ever released. I will definetly be buying Tamar's joint. As usuaul you are entitled to your opinion. So in my humbled opinion you
can't sit and just enjoy the music, because your to busy trying to rain on someone else's PARADE. HATER, Party o' 1. Your table is ready. | |
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legendofnothing said: Good Grief! This place has been recently flooded with HATERS. This was strong, this was weak blah blah blah blah. Who really gives a fuck that your superior mind has found a lil flaw in This MANS music. Have you even bother to listen to beautiful,loved and blessed. Or were you to busy analyzing a pure Master of Musicianship. You'll never get it. This has got be one of the funkiest and soulful songs the man has ever released. I will definetly be buying Tamar's joint. As usuaul you are entitled to your opinion. So in my humbled opinion you
can't sit and just enjoy the music, because your to busy trying to rain on someone else's PARADE. HATER, Party o' 1. Your table is ready. I'll have a nice tall cool glass of haterade please. Thanks. BLAB (how fitting) is pretty weak as far as Prince ballads go. Tamars vocals are lazy and uninspired compared to the SNL performance. I hate that this song is on the album. Drags it down  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Anx said: i kinda don't mind the rappy stuff he does on 'incense'...it reminds me of a slightly more inspired 'sun, moon and stars'.
That is a perfect description of this song!  I don't mind I&C, it seems very targetted tho. BLAB  Te Amo, I really don't think belongs on here either but compared to BLAB, it really is a breath of fresh air.
BLAB sounds like the worst stuff that came from the 90s, all plastic, no nutritional value. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Anx said: FunkyBrotha said: Beautiful loved and blessed reminds me of mariahs we belong together, its a great song for the moment and i love the bass guitar part at the end. No other artist could do this with a pop track.
still not thrilled with this track. i think there will be far better on tamar's album, and its inclusion on 3121 feels kinda obligatory. Exactly. This song does not make me excited about Tamars album, but I really like her vocal infusion on 3121 and loved her SNL performance so I will be giving it a chance
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PurpleCharm said: Anx said: because nobody feels a need to? i like some of p's bedroom ballads, but some of them i think just follow the same ol' recipe with different words. i think a lot of 'em are boring, but i know the bedroom ballads are one of his trademarks, so i've made peace with the fact that they aren't ever going anywhere. I understand what you are saying, but..... there is an obvious bias against r&b music on this site. [Edited 3/22/06 9:48am] There isn't a bias at all. R&B is praised all over the place here. Beautiful Loved and Blessed is a sham far as R&B is concerned And if you think people didn't tear Fury a new one for not being rockin like the SNL performance, you really need to read all the threads 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Aerogram said: I've had the same experience with Incense and Candles. It's the Arms Of Orion factor. I'm afraid my musical pancrea will fail, so I skip.
As for Beautiful Loved and Blessed, at first I tended to skip it but now I like it. It's like a slice of Soul 2 Soul, nothing earth-shattering but a fun song in the end. I think if Prince had decided to sing all the vocals instead of give it to Ta'Mar, it wouldn't be so criticized. [Edited 3/25/06 13:51pm] But Prince's vocals are pretty uninspired on BLAB. Listen to his singing and tell me he even sounds excited at all 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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herb4 said: Riverpoet31 said: Herb4,
I think you over-generalising things. I mean: you did just name some of Princes best ballads in my opinion. Slow Love might sound syrupy at first, but it has a warm, organic sounding instrumentation and a sentimental melody to die for in my opinion. Dark is one of his best ballads, very underrated, a 'dark' song about sorrow and regret, Man of war is underrated also, when it comes to the melody / vocal harmonies thats one of his best 'soul'-songs in the nineties. I assume you are the person thinking all his 'soul'-like songs are shit. But that makes no sense. I mean my toes curl when Prince tries plastic, generistic modern R&B on tracks like 'The greatest romance ever told', 'Hot with You' and 'White mansion', but some of the tracks you refer too rank among his best. No, I like some of the ballads/"soul songs" (Damn U, Dreamin About U, The One), but the ones I listed, if you put them all on one cd, would sound basically like the same song repeated 10 times. I think it has to do with the beat, the falsetto and the keyboards. Yes, I am generalizing and, outside of Marive Gaye or Stevie Wonder, I don't usually go for the "ooh, baby" music. I'm more of a "Days of wild"/"housquake" type, but I'm being as objective as I can. Prince's flasetto delivery is not my preference either, but I imagine that's just a matter of taste. Oddly, 'Satisfied' and 'Inscence and Candles" bother me LESS than "On the Couch" or "Call My Name"...and I don't hate all the slow stuff (I'm dancing with my bride to 'the One' at our wedding next month). I'll still defy duggalloly to note any specific differences, outisde of lyrical/poetic content in any of the songs I mentioned. And "Slow Love" is awful. 
[Edited 3/25/06 14:48pm] I hated slow love for years and then heard it stoned and it changed the song completely for me. I love it now 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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PurpleCharm said: blackwell1 said: Would it help if I told you "The Dance'' has grown on me, I'm feeling the emotion of how he finishes the song, especially? It's not a bad song to me. It's just got a lot of stellar competition on this CD!
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blackwell1 said: PurpleCharm said: I understand what you are saying, but..... there is an obvious bias against r&b music on this site. When someone doesn't like one of P's non-r&b songs, folks go into the specific details as to why they don't like it, without reference to it being a "rock" track or a "pop" track. When it comes to tracks that are non-rock or non-pop, it's immediately identified as being an r&b track, followed by that being the reason for not liking it...IMHO [Edited 3/22/06 9:48am] [Edited 3/22/06 9:49am] I've been noticing this apparent singling out of "R&B'', too. I don't understand it. Beautiful, Loved & Blessed is the song I've found myself going back to more than the others. It's the anchor for me, amongst many really good songs. It is really a beautiful song, with a nice bouncy, bob-ya-head beat and a wonderful message that, alone, makes it worthy of respect -- especially today. Refreshing is the word. To each his own. But I think some are shortchanging the appeal of this song. Peace OH! And Incense and Candles is my JAM, too. I feel just the opposite as the original post - If I had to choose between the two sets of songs, I'd take BL&B and Incense & Candles over Te Amo Corazon and The Dance with a quickness. lol Though I like all of them. Peaces [Edited 3/30/06 19:19pm] Agreed! BLAB has a neosoul vibe about it IMO, which is why I like it. Prince made this song simple. I like the melody and the arrangements. |
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The whole album is lifeless and meaningless. No real cohesion, or spark. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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CHER DID NOT INVENT THE VOCODER TECHNIQUE.
People really freak out about the vocal effects on I&C, and it's frustrating that it all seems to be by association with that fucking Cher song. Roger Troutman of Zapp may not have been the first either, but was the first to popularize the effect, and if you think Prince was inspired by "Believe" (or trying to ape its sound) before he was inspired by fellow 80s funk architect Roger and his work on tracks like "Computer Love," you are crazy. Oh, and "Incense & Candles" is hot. ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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The vocoder is so stupid. Makes me cringe when I hear Prince do it. There was no artistic reason for why he did it. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: The vocoder is so stupid. Makes me cringe when I hear Prince do it. There was no artistic reason for why he did it.
More accurately, there was no artistic reason that you understand or appreciate. I think it sounds smooth as hell. ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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FunkyBrotha said: Beautiful loved and blessed reminds me of mariahs we belong together, its a great song for the moment and i love the bass guitar part at the end. No other artist could do this with a pop track.
Nothing like WBT, Beautiful Loved and Blessed is beautiful, I do love it, Incense and Cadles is a bit extra but Tamar, damn, I love her voice! I really do. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: The vocoder is so stupid. Makes me cringe when I hear Prince do it. There was no artistic reason for why he did it.
This is NOT a vocoder by the way. What Roger used was a vocoder. This is an effect from and EFX box. | |
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