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Thread started 03/19/06 12:04pm

origmnd

Scathing review in NY Sunday Daily News

Jim Farber rips it to shreads.
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Reply #1 posted 03/19/06 12:09pm

Handclapsfinga
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got some text of the interview that you could perhaps cut n' paste here, kid?
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Reply #2 posted 03/19/06 12:12pm

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Sticking with royal convention

Synths aside, '3121' is Prince by the numbers

Prince
'3121'
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News flash: Prince has a new one-named love obsession.

But it's not another in his long line of girl-toys, like Apollonia or Vanity. This time, Prince's one-named love slave is Technology.

On the star's new album - his first in a new pact with Universal Music - he goes mad for synthesized sounds, indulging more sonic tricks and electro doodads than he has in years.

In the first single, "Black Sweat," synthesizers snap and crack, creating a stop-start rhythm meant to alarm. In "Lolita," Prince whips up a sort of deconstructed version of "Little Red Corvette," with '80s-style synths jerking around a hollow core. The title track goes full force into squeaks and squawks, using sheer abrasion as a hook.

Unfortunately, that last ditty winds up sounding like 18 sets of finger nails scraping down a blackboard. While there's something undeniably nervy about Prince's noisy pursuits, that's the only aspect of "3121" that's the least bit innovative or even odd.

Otherwise, "3121" rates as one of Prince's most conventional CDs. It's digestibly short, just 45 minutes, with 12 songs, only one of which stretches into the kind of jams that defined Prince's albums of the last few years, like "Rainbow Children" or the concert CD, "One Night Alone."

More akin to his 2004 CD "Musicology," the latest seems like a bid to get his pop career bubbling again. But beneath its distracting sound effects, the album is too full of Prince-ean cliches and routine riffs, to usher him back into the pop kingdom.

The ballads bomb especially badly. Prince's faux-Spanish cut "Te Amo Corazon," sounds like something Enrique Iglesias might smarm his way through. "Beautiful Love & Blessed" - a duet with the, yes, one-named Tamar - sparks no chemistry between the two singers. An orchestral "The Dance" sounds like something left over from an aborted soundtrack.

Then there's the boudoir ballad "Satisfied," whose lyric - "this is going to be a long night" - works as a warning. Other lyrics just roll out the usual Prince-style boasts ... "I'm funky and I don't care who knows it," "imagine me on the tip of your tongue" and others.

Such outbursts, in lieu of lyrics, suggest a person seriously in need of an inner life, a longtime problem for Prince. Worse, many cuts feature production too thickly weighted, and self-conscious, to get up and move.

A few of the upbeat tracks eventually find their groove. "Fury" recalls Prince's most rocking tracks from the '80s. And the final funk rave-up, "Get on the Boat," with Maceo Parker, successfully inverts the strategy of most of the CD. It's a flat-out live jam. Too bad it winds up only proving the point Prince uses the rest of the CD to refute - that less is more.


Very cold.
Ooh, little darlin' if you're
free 4 a couple of hours (Free 4 a couple of hours)
If U ain't busy 4 the next 7 years (Next 7 years)
Say, let's pretend we're married and go all night
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Reply #3 posted 03/19/06 12:17pm

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UndercovaBrotha said:

Very cold.

not so much cold as it is a bit ironic.
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Reply #4 posted 03/19/06 1:38pm

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Okay, the point has been made that 3121 is not Prince at his most innovative. I do think he deserves some criticism for this.

However, what many of the harshest critics are ignoring is that these songs are highly listenable, flawlessly produced and performed, and are just flat out enjoyable. And many of them make you wanna dance. And what's wrong with that?
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Reply #5 posted 03/19/06 1:43pm

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What the fuck do they want, George Michael, bruce, Michael, who are all lazy in comparison? Here we have someone who keeps moving under all circumstances and is an inpspiration to mere mortal musicians like me. Few people know how hard it is to master one instrument, or to write a song, or produce so fuck em, just fuck em.
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Reply #6 posted 03/19/06 1:44pm

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switters said:

Okay, the point has been made that 3121 is not Prince at his most innovative. I do think he deserves some criticism for this.

However, what many of the harshest critics are ignoring is that these songs are highly listenable, flawlessly produced and performed, and are just flat out enjoyable. And many of them make you wanna dance. And what's wrong with that?


I think we all need to consider also that Prince acually wants to sell some units and actually make a run at the charts. Nobody is going to touch Prince being innovative this late in his career, from a distribution point of view.
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Reply #7 posted 03/19/06 1:49pm

PurpleCharm

I wouldn't sweat it. Some people will like it. Some people won't.

I just created a thread with a positive review. The Detroit Free Press gave it four out of four stars. biggrin
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Reply #8 posted 03/19/06 1:49pm

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PurpleCharm said:

I wouldn't sweat it. Some people will like. Some people won't.

I just created a thread with a positive review. The Detroit Free Press gave it four out of four stars. biggrin

yeah, i just read that review...man, the motor-babies love them some prince. biggrin
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Reply #9 posted 03/19/06 1:50pm

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It's not 45 minutes long. It is 57 minutes long. I hate inaccurate reporting.
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Reply #10 posted 03/19/06 2:01pm

mapaul

BWAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ---- see? the only people buying this is anything more than a sub-par effort are you fools . . . . . 57 minutes too long. I will take Rainbow Children and NEWS over this mess any day of the week.
"Tell that little purple motherfucker to contact me!" - Miles to Alan Leeds . . .
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Reply #11 posted 03/19/06 2:06pm

sacredwarrior

ouch

this reporter man didnt take his meds

still havent heard the album but i highly doubt its as bad as this

New Yorker [all tough and shit] describes .
" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #12 posted 03/19/06 2:44pm

Anx

i don't think it's scathing...it's just not particularly generous, which i guess is the license of a music critic. i kinda agree on some of the points, but not to the extent that i think it's a bad album. i don't think it's a "return to form" or a "masterpiece", but it's a pretty fun summer album and a cool prince album...nothing revolutionary or evolutionary - just good pop music.
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Reply #13 posted 03/19/06 4:18pm

murph

Anx said:

i don't think it's scathing...it's just not particularly generous, which i guess is the license of a music critic. i kinda agree on some of the points, but not to the extent that i think it's a bad album. i don't think it's a "return to form" or a "masterpiece", but it's a pretty fun summer album and a cool prince album...nothing revolutionary or evolutionary - just good pop music.



Yeah guys...don't get your panties in a bunch...The review is far from scathing...Farber just didn't dig the album....Like most Prince albums no one will ever agree on things....NY Daily News' review is quite different from the LA Times....That's just the way it's always been for Prince....
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Reply #14 posted 03/19/06 4:26pm

PurpleCharm

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

PurpleCharm said:

I wouldn't sweat it. Some people will like. Some people won't.

I just created a thread with a positive review. The Detroit Free Press gave it four out of four stars. biggrin

yeah, i just read that review...man, the motor-babies love them some prince. biggrin


woot!
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Reply #15 posted 03/19/06 5:49pm

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Anx said:

i don't think it's scathing...it's just not particularly generous, which i guess is the license of a music critic. i kinda agree on some of the points, but not to the extent that i think it's a bad album. i don't think it's a "return to form" or a "masterpiece", but it's a pretty fun summer album and a cool prince album...nothing revolutionary or evolutionary - just good pop music.



no no no!

dont say revolution in your post...folks will start screaming your not considering 3121 a masterpiece because you want purple rain part 2.


lol
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Reply #16 posted 03/19/06 6:10pm

sallysassalot

i think what i'm having a hard time with is figuring out WHY prince is supposed to continually invent new sounds for himself? during his first ten years on the musical radar, he broke so many boundaries and created "his sound." if he created his own sound why should he stop that and begin some new sound?

i agree - 3121 is nothing new. it is not groundbreaking like his earlier records, how could it be groundbreaking if it's nothing new? but why does familiar equate to bad? why can't familiar be...well, familiar? why can't prince simply be prince?

what this journalist latches onto in order to criticize the record just seems lame. complaining that prince is boasting? have you EVER listened to the guy's music before? lol he dislikes the "experimental" stuff on the title track but also moans about how conventional the rest of the record is. the funniest bit is when he complains that this prince record has to many "prince-ean cliches." um, yeah, its a PRINCE record. lol

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Reply #17 posted 03/19/06 6:16pm

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sallysassalot said:

i think what i'm having a hard time with is figuring out WHY prince is supposed to continually invent new sounds for himself? during his first ten years on the musical radar, he broke so many boundaries and created "his sound." if he created his own sound why should he stop that and begin some new sound?

i figure it's because people are still stuck with the thought that ol' boy can do it all day, every day. to some extent this is true, but definitely not in the way some think he should.

i agree - 3121 is nothing new. it is not groundbreaking like his earlier records, how could it be groundbreaking if it's nothing new? but why does familiar equate to bad? why can't familiar be...well, familiar? why can't prince simply be prince?

what this journalist latches onto in order to criticize the record just seems lame. complaining that prince is boasting? have you EVER listened to the guy's music before? lol he dislikes the "experimental" stuff on the title track but also moans about how conventional the rest of the record is. the funniest bit is when he complains that this prince record has to many "prince-ean cliches." um, yeah, its a PRINCE record. lol

there ya go. thumbs up!
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Reply #18 posted 03/19/06 6:18pm

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Not surprised at all Jim Farber is one of the worst critics around. He gave Emancipation 5 stars and praised it for Prince's use of "slick" production in favor for "live" sounds and now he is blasting for the opposite. Jim Farber is a "rip him to shreds" type of critic, he cites James Blunt as a genius in a recent review, oh god, for that alone you lose any shred of creditability. My bigger problems with Jim Farber are his personal attacks also and his constant comparing to the past, now he cites "Musicology" as a more "live" sounding cd, is he nuts, tracks like "Illusion Coma" and "Life o the party" and " what do u want we to do" where all from use of "computers" and stuff like that. Its funny I didnt anyone calling PRINCE a great musician in the 80's when he was using computers and synths on 1999 and other CDs but now that everyone finally realized the guy is one of the best musicians, as soon as he makes a 1999 like party type, synth, cd theres a problem.

My final word is to critics, find a new angle, stop comparing to previous work. U dont like it, well your entitled, but base it on something more than the past and what happend.

Also I can almost bet when Prince tours and Farber does a review of the show hes gonna be praising 3121 and its tracks.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #19 posted 03/19/06 8:05pm

sosgemini

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sallysassalot said:

i think what i'm having a hard time with is figuring out WHY prince is supposed to continually invent new sounds for himself? during his first ten years on the musical radar, he broke so many boundaries and created "his sound." if he created his own sound why should he stop that and begin some new sound?

i agree - 3121 is nothing new. it is not groundbreaking like his earlier records, how could it be groundbreaking if it's nothing new? but why does familiar equate to bad? why can't familiar be...well, familiar? why can't prince simply be prince?






i'd guess its because theres a difference between sounding familiar and rehashing.....no?

cant wait to hear the album to give my take.
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Reply #20 posted 03/19/06 8:07pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:


i figure it's because people are still stuck with the thought that ol' boy can do it all day, every day. to some extent this is true, but definitely not in the way some think he should.



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Reply #21 posted 03/19/06 9:12pm

emesem

Such outbursts, in lieu of lyrics, suggest a person seriously in need of an inner life, a longtime problem for Prince.


not too far from truth. who is the real Prince?
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Reply #22 posted 03/19/06 9:21pm

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from greatness you expect greatness.
Keep in mind the bar is very high.
that said, a Prince mediorce is another's high.
3121, great,hmmm.
classic. no
good.yes
worthy? Of course!
Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way.
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Reply #23 posted 03/20/06 12:21am

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what do they expect from someone who can read music sheesh rolleyes
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #24 posted 03/20/06 2:02am

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Ouch!!
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



"We had fun, didn't we?"
-Prince (1958-2016) 4ever in my life
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Reply #25 posted 03/20/06 3:11am

Zelaira

Farber hasn't always dug Prince's albums.
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Reply #26 posted 03/20/06 6:33am

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The other thing I find funny is how quickly we forget the reception the "classics" received. While some people recognized how great they many reviewers panned everything after Purple Rain - yes including SOTT.

All good Prince albums are growers. They need to be lsitened to, a lot.
I hated most of ATWIAD, and Parade out of the gate but grew to love them. I loved every song on 3121 after about 30 spins - somthing I can't say about any of his albums accept Purple Rain.
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Reply #27 posted 03/20/06 6:46am

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Zelaira said:

Farber hasn't always dug Prince's albums.

No he hasn't that why I totally ignore his reports. He's a lame ass.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #28 posted 03/20/06 6:47am

PurpleRein

2funkE said
I think we all need to consider also that Prince acually wants to sell some units and actually make a run at the charts. Nobody is going to touch Prince being innovative this late in his career, from a distribution point of view.[/quote]

Late in his career? BB King is late in his career..perhaps so is Little Richard, or James Brown...but late in Prince's career?????
Even Paul McCartney, or the Stones aren't "Late in their careers"
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Reply #29 posted 03/20/06 1:12pm

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it's funny how he can't win.

if he does something innovative, non-commercial, and daring, he's considered "weird" or too avante-garde.

if he delivers something crowd-pleasing, then he's considered a panderer to the crowd.

well...

i think it's cool to do both types of albums. do rainbow children and one night alone for the hard-core fans

and throw a bone to the folks who just wanna hum a tune on the stairmaster or bump and grind at the club.

it's all good.

it's all music.
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