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Thread started 03/17/06 3:25pm

skipper

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Prince discussion on Newsnight...

Just watched a 3121/Prince discussion on Newsnight Review,5 people in heated discussion-4 pro,one anti 3121-anyone see this?
Time is a trick....
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Reply #1 posted 03/17/06 3:46pm

leecaldon

Yes, and it was a pretty interesting discussion.

Please take the following as a kind of stream of consciosness of what I remember (only caught the name of one person)

Some of the things that were said:

the presenter called him the 'polymath pixie of pop' and this was his 'newest musical opus - the enigmatically titled 3121'

'he's updated his seminal Paisley Park sound of the 80s for a new generation'

the guy called Kwame called it "fon-kay" with a fresh sound & instrumentation' although 'there's a bit in the middle that's mundane R&B'. He was raving about it.

it 'reeks of funk'

Then they discussed how's he's tipping his hat back to the likes of James Brown - but then agreed that he's tipping his hat back to Prince. The presenter questioned whether he was listening to too much Prince and not enough OutKast, for example. The blond woman countered, "How can you listen to too much Prince?"

The dark-haired woman gave props to any 5ft man who could make her alliterate.

The blond woman asserted that this establishes that he's "really great on his own" but not collaborating. She mentioned a couple of times that Ta'mar has a voice but no personality. There were negative mutterings about the Latin stuff.

The one guy who wasn't convinced by the album said he was going to say negative things but when he saw the clips on the screen (they showed some old stuff followed by Fury at the BRITs, Te Amo video, Black Sweat video) it made him want to reconsider.

Kwame said, "Just listen to the guitar work"

They then discussed whether 'the kids' would like this. And the general consensus was 'no', despite his being a pioneer in txt msg language smile and that this was for the older generation. Also, some of the 'lounge' stuff would be pretty popular in the current musical climate.

Kwame was just happy that it wasn't a situation like Michael Jackson a couple of years ago - "a middle-aged man trying to sound hip". This is FRESH JAM.

They also discussed a little bit about the religious nature of some of the lyrics. The negative guy thought they were laughable, Kwame thought they were interesting.

The negative guy said parts of the album reminded him of Sign O The Times (the album), at which point the blond woman asserted that it was his best album since then (HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THAT IN THE LAST DECADE?!?!) but the negative guy thought the lyrics were too full of 'self-regard'. Nothing political like Sign O The Times - 3121 is his house and it's all about partying and gettting 'satisfied' in there.

Overall, it was extremely postive and a very interesting discussion.

I hope somebody posts this video, thereby saving too many people from reading my unstructured scribblings.
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Reply #2 posted 03/17/06 3:53pm

NouveauDance

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leecaldon said:

I hope somebody posts this video, thereby saving too many people from reading my unstructured scribblings.


The video will be up on the website tomorrow:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...efault.stm

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Reply #3 posted 03/17/06 3:58pm

brothaluv

Thanks. I would love to see this. Sounds like a great discussion. Neither all positive, nor all negative...
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Reply #4 posted 03/17/06 4:12pm

Justin1972UK

I saw it too!

leecaldon said:

The negative guy said parts of the album reminded him of Sign O The Times (the album).


I think he said that the best parts of the album reminded him of the best parts of Sign O' The Times.

I liked how the presenter mentioned Wendy, Lisa and Cat as if they were all household names.
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Reply #5 posted 03/17/06 5:06pm

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I don't find the song Sign o The times to be Political...at least not pointedly. It was more of his musing about what was happening at the time. A random thought (or a few) brought to paper and then to music all within a day. It was "the days thought" and nothing more.

I think P thinks about his music and lyrics too much these days.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #6 posted 03/17/06 11:37pm

catpark

I saw it aswell. i got a phonecall sayin "turn it on Newsnight Prince is on it" i thought Prince on the news? omg something has happened to him!! but whew just a review!
it was nice for once to see him get such a positive feedback and overall praises on TV. obviously the other 3 r big fans.
the negative guy was just sayin that 2 play devil's advocate. he was probably told to do that to juice it up a bit.
FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
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Reply #7 posted 03/18/06 2:20am

elephant

Its up on the bbc site now. The prince chat starts about 9 1/2 mins in.

They don't seem that keen on Tamar.
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Reply #8 posted 03/18/06 2:38am

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Sue Perkins does my nut in.
Why the hell is she famous anyway? her and her sidekick Mel are just not funny.
They try to be, but it just ends up painfully cringeworthy.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
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Reply #9 posted 03/18/06 4:06am

ian

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That was actually pretty good smile
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Reply #10 posted 03/18/06 4:41am

catpark

muirdo said:

Sue Perkins does my nut in.
Why the hell is she famous anyway? her and her sidekick Mel are just not funny.
They try to be, but it just ends up painfully cringeworthy.


well at least she never slagged Prince off
FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
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Reply #11 posted 03/18/06 5:25am

muirdo

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catpark said:

muirdo said:

Sue Perkins does my nut in.
Why the hell is she famous anyway? her and her sidekick Mel are just not funny.
They try to be, but it just ends up painfully cringeworthy.


well at least she never slagged Prince off


i noticed that she seemed to be quite a fan.
She's not my cup of tea though.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
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Reply #12 posted 03/18/06 5:34am

catpark

muirdo said:

catpark said:



well at least she never slagged Prince off


i noticed that she seemed to be quite a fan.
She's not my cup of tea though.


Shes not mine either. she is a crap comedian
FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
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Reply #13 posted 03/18/06 6:11am

mrsquirrel

i found 'Light Lunch' quite entertaining as a 6th former. I'm going to attempt to watch the vid in work while it's quiet.....
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Reply #14 posted 03/18/06 6:06pm

ian

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The whole thing was refreshingly positive and they all seemed pretty clued in on Prince too. Whether they were fans or just well-prepared, it was cool anyway smile
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Reply #15 posted 03/18/06 6:34pm

Fauxie

I find the whole idea of this a little bizarre. lol
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Reply #16 posted 03/19/06 7:21am

skilletnomicro
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Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion about the merits of Prince, it's all good publicity for 3121 but it's funny that everyone on the show agrees that Tamar is bland
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Reply #17 posted 03/19/06 8:03am

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It was funny that they mentioned names, such as Tamar like the audience in England would happen to know. His best album since Sign O The Times?
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Reply #18 posted 03/19/06 8:05am

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Polymath pixie of pop biggrin
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Reply #19 posted 03/19/06 9:08am

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Cool - but it's ironic that one of them (the blonde woman) and I tink at least one other mentioned cringeing and cringeworthy stuff on the album - this whole discussio had me cringeing and embarrassed for them over and over. You can't discuss P in posh pseudo-intellectual accents, and polite retorts: you're a bunch a wankers!!!! razz
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #20 posted 03/19/06 10:37am

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NouveauDance said:

leecaldon said:

I hope somebody posts this video, thereby saving too many people from reading my unstructured scribblings.


The video will be up on the website tomorrow:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...efault.stm

smile


Is the video still there? hmm Because if it is, I'm having trouble finding it...
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Reply #21 posted 03/19/06 10:56am

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RUHip2TheJive said:

NouveauDance said:



The video will be up on the website tomorrow:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...efault.stm

smile


Is the video still there? hmm Because if it is, I'm having trouble finding it...


Click on the purple button on the right that says "Latest Programme" and you can watch the whole show
"18 years old, and she knows her funk!!! headbang"
~ funkpill
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Reply #22 posted 03/19/06 11:25am

asg

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FruitToAttractBears said:

RUHip2TheJive said:



Is the video still there? hmm Because if it is, I'm having trouble finding it...


Click on the purple button on the right that says "Latest Programme" and you can watch the whole show

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol...id=4686677

this is the direct link


starts after 9min 30secs
[Edited 3/19/06 11:32am]
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Reply #23 posted 03/19/06 12:38pm

RUHip2TheJive

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Thanks FruitToAttractBears and asg.

Got it thumbs up!
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Reply #24 posted 03/19/06 1:23pm

anon

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Punjabi guy: "Kwami, can you see yourself getting jiggy with it?"

That was fun to see. Overall, very positive. They're definitely buzzed about it and that's good.

Now can someone tell us what Prince's new name is? These guys obviously know something that we don't. They kept saying "his name was Prince"
Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify
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Reply #25 posted 03/19/06 2:12pm

sacredwarrior

leecaldon said:


'he's updated his seminal Paisley Park sound of the 80s for a new generation'


and yet only 2 years ago he criticised my sounds for being too 80's and said i needed to update them

apparently not

Prince ur a GAS
" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #26 posted 03/19/06 2:29pm

BSK3601

sacredwarrior said:

leecaldon said:


'he's updated his seminal Paisley Park sound of the 80s for a new generation'


and yet only 2 years ago he criticised my sounds for being too 80's and said i needed to update them

apparently not

Prince ur a GAS


Damn, he was being mighty nice to you.
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Reply #27 posted 03/19/06 3:08pm

Meloh9

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What is up with ppl saying best album since SOTT? Are you kidding me?
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Reply #28 posted 03/19/06 4:29pm

Romera

BSK3601 said:

sacredwarrior said:



and yet only 2 years ago he criticised my sounds for being too 80's and said i needed to update them

apparently not

Prince ur a GAS


Damn, he was being mighty nice to you.
Yes he was.
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Reply #29 posted 03/19/06 5:29pm

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leecaldon said:



Kwame was just happy that it wasn't a situation like Michael Jackson a couple of years ago - "a middle-aged man trying to sound hip". This is FRESH JAM.

- I hope so!!



The negative guy said parts of the album reminded him of Sign O The Times (the album), at which point the blond woman asserted that it was his best album since then (HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THAT IN THE LAST DECADE?!?!) but the negative guy thought the lyrics were too full of 'self-regard'. Nothing political like Sign O The Times - 3121 is his house and it's all about partying and gettting 'satisfied' in there.

- There is a problem I find in some Prince´s music. I love when an artist expresses his/her feelings, but sometimes Prince is too much self-indulgent in the lyrics. How can someone relate to stuff like ´My name is Prince´ or ´Undisputed´? smile
Peace
Gustavo Ribas
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