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Reply #90 posted 03/16/06 9:12pm

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Theres been heaps of threads dissing half ok albums like Graffiti Bridge and Emancipation etc, but no one has looked at 1992's Symbol. I mean this album is seriously bad.
Grafitti Bridge at least has a few gems on it, but theres nothing on Symbol thats a gem. 7, Morning Papers and a couple of other songs are OK but the rest is a self indulgent experiment. The shit dated the moment it came out.
The only reason it did fairly well was because of the hype caused by Diamonds and Pearls (Just like the ATWIAD sales figures caused by Purple Rain fans expecting Purple Rain II).
U look at it theres hardly anything good on it. Theres no Joy in Repetition, The Holy River or Musicology type songs here. I mean 7 is a fairly average pop song and The Morning Papers is a fairly good soul ballad, but sandwiched in amongst the ok stuff is filler like Blue Light, Arrogance, The Flow, Damn u and to add to it some of the weakest Tony M raps this side of 1992.
He kind of deserved it after he sacked the talented Rosie Gaines and Diamond and Pearl (Why kil a winning recipe man).

The only 4 out of 5 song is my name is Prince, its a good starter, shame it goes downhill after that, aamzing how Prince got over the Victor nonsense afterwards. Sorry guyas but I got over this album in early 93.
So do you agree and do you think Graffiti Bridge is Sign o the times compared to this self indulgent boondoggle.


"SYMBOL" was 14 years ago.

In 14 years, I have changed a lot, and to my ears I hear "SYMBOL" much differently now.

I hear a lot of arogance, attitude, and anger in the lyrics now.
I hear a lot of immaturity.
I hear and feel a "disingenuine-ness".

There's a lot of phonyness going on with "SYMBOL".


On the flip side, I like very much the energy and musicianship; there is a drive to this album. It's a very "full" album. I like the addition of funk and horns missing from "D&P". Theres a lot of neat sounds in "SYMBOL".

I have never forgotten a review that stated of "SYMBOL" that the slow songs of Prince are getting better, but his fast tempo songs are getting weaker. Astute.

In terms of sophistication, "Parade", "Lovesexy" were more adult and worldly than "SYMBOL". Albums like "Musicology" are more palatable in their maturity.

"SYMBOL" is unique in it's propulsiveness, but a big step backwards in maturity.

For this it sometimes rubs me the wrong way. Yes I prefer "Grafitti Bridge", and "Newpower Soul" as an overall listening experience. I make no cool apoligies.
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Reply #91 posted 03/16/06 9:19pm

Sdldawn

its not that good..

but 7 makes up for my overlooking its bad
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Reply #92 posted 03/16/06 9:27pm

warning2all

Sdldawn said:

its not that good..

but 7 makes up for my overlooking its bad


That's actually interesting; if you delete "7" from the album you remove a real lynch-pin.Then where is the album at? Like if you subtract "Anna Stesia" from "Lovesexy". You have an album spiralling out of control.
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Reply #93 posted 03/16/06 9:29pm

Sdldawn

warning2all said:

Sdldawn said:

its not that good..

but 7 makes up for my overlooking its bad


That's actually interesting; if you delete "7" from the album you remove a real lynch-pin.Then where is the album at? Like if you subtract "Anna Stesia" from "Lovesexy". You have an album spiralling out of control.


nod good observation.. you might be onto something there.
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Reply #94 posted 03/16/06 11:04pm

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warning2all said:

I hear a lot of arogance, attitude, and anger in the lyrics now.


Hmmm, I'd agree with that in a few tracks. However, arguably these factors are what propelled some of Prince's best music, imo. In fact, I've always felt that Emancipation didn't suffer because of the production but rather because it had virtually none of the above in the mix.

I hear a lot of immaturity.
I hear and feel a "disingenuine-ness".

There's a lot of phonyness going on with "SYMBOL".


I don't agree with much of this really at all. Once you get past the whole rocktar/Princess soap opera, there's a lot of maturity here in the lyrics of Sexy M.F., The Morning Papers, Blue Light, Damn U, And God Created Woman, etc... Mayte had an incredibly inspirational and positive effect on him, I think. This is the first album where you could really see a transition from talk of sex to 'real love'
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Reply #95 posted 03/17/06 1:56am

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Most of Prince's early 90's work has dated horribly, and not just because of Tony M.

The musicianship is and always was great, but some of the production just sounds plain nasty now.

There are the odd gems though.... But I find DAP a far weaker album than Symbol. It has the odd moment of greatness (listen to the guitar work on Live 4 Love - there's more attitude and urgency in that song alone than anything from Musicology). But generally it's pretty weak stuff.

Symbol is a deeply flawed album but Damn U and Sweet Baby are amongst his finest ballads IMO.
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Reply #96 posted 03/17/06 2:01am

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"damn u" is a great song, the guitar in morning papers is cool 2, the rest of the album blows.
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Reply #97 posted 03/17/06 2:13am

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Gotta go with the others here... The Symbol album rocks! I love it!

How can you dislike the album with My Name Is Prince on it?! stickpoke
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Reply #98 posted 03/17/06 6:08am

Rudy

I listened to DAP last night for the first time in years. I was actually embarassed that I used to hold nonsense like Thunder and Daddy Pop in such high regard. Immaturity is a very good word for it! How could he come to that, only 4 years after Sign O the Times? Transitional phase, I suppose... At least Cream is excellent.

Listening made me realize that I've never heard Michael Bland before - not under the shellaq production of DAP. Too bad! From what little of him I can actually make out, he sounds like he was quite good.

Symbol on the other hand...well it has its crap too, but songs like 2 The 9's are just undeniable. Awesome stuff.
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Reply #99 posted 03/17/06 6:12am

DavidEye

Rudy said:

I listened to DAP last night for the first time in years. I was actually embarassed that I used to hold nonsense like Thunder and Daddy Pop in such high regard. Immaturity is a very good word for it! How could he come to that, only 4 years after Sign O the Times? Transitional phase, I suppose... At least Cream is excellent.


'D&P' is one Prince album that just hasn't aged very well,imo.These days,I can't even listen to stuff like "Thunder" and "Daddy Pop".But I agree with you,"Cream" still packs a punch.That's one of his finest pop/rock jams.
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Reply #100 posted 03/17/06 9:26am

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DavidEye said:

Rudy said:

I listened to DAP last night for the first time in years. I was actually embarassed that I used to hold nonsense like Thunder and Daddy Pop in such high regard. Immaturity is a very good word for it! How could he come to that, only 4 years after Sign O the Times? Transitional phase, I suppose... At least Cream is excellent.


'D&P' is one Prince album that just hasn't aged very well,imo.These days,I can't even listen to stuff like "Thunder" and "Daddy Pop".But I agree with you,"Cream" still packs a punch.That's one of his finest pop/rock jams.

Let's not even forget Strollin love , Willing & Able, Money Don't Matter tonight and I know people hate this song but I think it's one of the funkiest ass jams to come out of the 90s.....PUSH headbang
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Reply #101 posted 03/17/06 9:29am

fonkee

what's up with the people hating on certain prince albums
is he too brilliant 4 y'all?
why hate on this genius, we should b proud and forget the few minor releases he or warner made (C&D?)
that O+> album is one of his best, certainly in my prince top
ok daddy pop on D&P and thunder are not that good but the early 80's albums suffer as much when it comes 2 less good or dated tracks
AND ONCE AGAIN: if u don not like, sexy mf, money don't matter 2nite, my name is prince, then u ain't funky
funk is an essential part of what he does

get over it people the 80's are over
4 a long time now
he don't have to be relevant anymore, not groundbreaking, he don't have 2 prove shit
just enjoy the new directions n the funk!

work it smile
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Reply #102 posted 03/17/06 10:16am

luv4all7

I disagree. While I dug the symbol album so much more when it came out, it still has some gems on it. I've actually never been a fan of the much loved Sexy MF, that everyone seems to praise. But I do LOVE Blue Light. It's simple, but very fresh! And 7, while it gets tossed out as a pop song all the time, it's actually so much more. Give it a chance, and actually LISTEN it's brilliant and pure euphoria!

If we could only edit out all the rap and crap from Mayte's how ya gonna make that booty boom sh*t, it would be SaWEET!
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Reply #103 posted 03/17/06 10:42am

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DAP is 10 times worse

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Reply #104 posted 03/17/06 10:56am

Rudy

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

DavidEye said:



'D&P' is one Prince album that just hasn't aged very well,imo.These days,I can't even listen to stuff like "Thunder" and "Daddy Pop".But I agree with you,"Cream" still packs a punch.That's one of his finest pop/rock jams.

Let's not even forget Strollin love , Willing & Able, Money Don't Matter tonight and I know people hate this song but I think it's one of the funkiest ass jams to come out of the 90s.....PUSH headbang


I've always respected P's commitment to that oddball-sounding chord sequence on Money Don't Matter 2night, but it further hurts the record. Doesn't it just sound strange to you guys? Adventurous, but ugly

And to me Push is the funk jam that wants to be, starts out hot, but just adds up to "nondescript". Since DAP I think he's had a lot of songs that fall into this category. All slammin' drums & samples, no melody. It just doesn't happen for me.
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Reply #105 posted 03/19/06 2:24am

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ALLRIGHT Iget the message already. I am sorry for putting down the Symbol album already, But I don't apologise for the fact I don't like it, but maybe thats not an excuse for me 2 dis it in front of you all who do like it.
The main reason I am not CRAZY about it, is like what MattyJam says, like most early 90s stuff its dated. Princes music from 1980-87 hasnt. because its better, whereas Lovesexy to NPS are to me amusing period pieces. Keep the piece yall. Also because it was a response to the constant hammocking of the half decent Grafitti Bridge CD and the very good Musicology album.
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Reply #106 posted 03/19/06 3:17am

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I've onbly read the first page, and I'm getting scared how much I run with the consensus on here.
I love the symbol album, loved the whole concept and most of the trax.
I always saw it has his answer to call to release a "best of" as in: "here's all the styles from my career jumbled up together". That's also how I read the loop of "IWBYL" in "MNIP" sandwiched with the lyrics to Sacrifice. Ironic, then, that it was followed by "The HIts" itself.
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #107 posted 03/19/06 5:33am

ElectricBlue

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NO, the worst Prince album is "Rave" mad
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Reply #108 posted 03/19/06 6:22am

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Its not one of my fave albums BUT a few good gems on there.....Damn You, Blue Light, Continental are all good tunes - but the album doesnt really do him that much justice - Hes done better. lips
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Reply #109 posted 03/19/06 7:14am

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tane1976 said:

ALLRIGHT Iget the message already. I am sorry for putting down the Symbol album already, But I don't apologise for the fact I don't like it, but maybe thats not an excuse for me 2 dis it in front of you all who do like it.


One never needs to apologize for having an opinion, one just shouldn't think that opinion is always a generally held fact, however.


The main reason I am not CRAZY about it, is like what MattyJam says, like most early 90s stuff its dated. Princes music from 1980-87 hasnt. because its better, whereas Lovesexy to NPS are to me amusing period pieces. Keep the piece yall. Also because it was a response to the constant hammocking of the half decent Grafitti Bridge CD and the very good Musicology album.


Once again, this is all just opinion. I don't think the prince album sounds very dated at all, as a whole. Come has an amazingly fresh sound even to this day, as does TGE. However, there are several 80's releases that sound incredibly 'dated', imo, like Dirty Mind and Controversy.
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Reply #110 posted 03/19/06 7:44am

AlphabetST1977

Oh my god ..... u got 2 b kidding prince is truly one of P's best & surely his best 90's album just ahead of Gold (i aint counting compilations ie Crystal)

My name is P
Sexy MF
The Flow
7
Damn U
Morning Papers

honestly i love the album ..... always did & always will!!

I just wish 3121 was as good sad
Live4Love

Take ur pic from the japanese robes & sandals ,drink champagne froma glass with chocolate handles ..... dont u wanna come 3121!!
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Reply #111 posted 03/19/06 10:44am

101

The Symbol Album is underrated check out:

1. And God Created Woman
2. 2 the 9's
3. My name is Prince
4. I want melt with u
5. 3 chains of gold
6. Damn U

i rate it as nr. 4 or 5 from my all time favorite Prince albums.
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Reply #112 posted 03/19/06 10:47am

101

one of my favorite Prince albums..(into the top 5)...check out : And God created Woman, Damn U, Sweet Baby, I want to melt with u and ofcourse 2 the 9s

Did i not mention 7, The sacrifice of Victor and My name is Prince..sorry bout that...
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Reply #113 posted 03/19/06 3:29pm

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prince is amazing from start to finish, no exceptions. And anybody hating on Chaos and Disorder obviously doesn't understand where prince was at the time; I sometimes think it's his most stripped-down, honest, vital album yet.
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Reply #114 posted 03/19/06 3:53pm

pinkcashmere33

R U series!!!! This album is GREAT!!! There are NO exceptions.
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Reply #115 posted 03/19/06 4:49pm

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tane1976 said:

Theres been heaps of threads dissing half ok albums like Graffiti Bridge and Emancipation etc, but no one has looked at 1992's Symbol. I mean this album is seriously bad.
Grafitti Bridge at least has a few gems on it, but theres nothing on Symbol thats a gem. 7, Morning Papers and a couple of other songs are OK but the rest is a self indulgent experiment. The shit dated the moment it came out.
The only reason it did fairly well was because of the hype caused by Diamonds and Pearls (Just like the ATWIAD sales figures caused by Purple Rain fans expecting Purple Rain II).
U look at it theres hardly anything good on it. Theres no Joy in Repetition, The Holy River or Musicology type songs here. I mean 7 is a fairly average pop song and The Morning Papers is a fairly good soul ballad, but sandwiched in amongst the ok stuff is filler like Blue Light, Arrogance, The Flow, Damn u and to add to it some of the weakest Tony M raps this side of 1992.
He kind of deserved it after he sacked the talented Rosie Gaines and Diamond and Pearl (Why kil a winning recipe man).
The only 4 out of 5 song is my name is Prince, its a good starter, shame it goes downhill after that, aamzing how Prince got over the Victor nonsense afterwards. Sorry guyas but I got over this album in early 93.
So do you agree and do you think Graffiti Bridge is Sign o the times compared to this self indulgent boondoggle.


In my opinion, it is one of his best cd's of the 90's. My favorites are the "the morning papers", "Contenintal" and "7". These are songs that display Prince's love for different styles of music. It also shows that he is not to make fun of himself with songs like, "my name is Prince" and and "arrogance". Compared to the "Rave", this cd is a masterpiece, in my eyes.
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Reply #116 posted 03/19/06 4:50pm

Raajput

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And God Created Woman cool


One of my fave Prince trax ever
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Reply #117 posted 03/20/06 7:30am

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Rudy said:

I listened to DAP last night for the first time in years..... How could he come to that, only 4 years after Sign O the Times?


When you put it that way eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek eek
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Reply #118 posted 03/20/06 8:20am

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newpowergeneration said:

prince is amazing from start to finish, no exceptions. And anybody hating on Chaos and Disorder obviously doesn't understand where prince was at the time; I sometimes think it's his most stripped-down, honest, vital album yet.

Do you reallu wanna know where P was at that time? - Not feeling Warner Bros., so he gave them some BS songs to end his ties with them and then blew wack ass Chaos & Disorder away by releasing Emancipation later on that same year and nothing off C&D was ever heard of again.
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Reply #119 posted 03/20/06 10:37am

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The Symbol album is truly amazing, it made me a fan of Prince!! I always liked his music, and remember hits like raspberry beret, purple rain and kiss coming on TV. But this was the first album I brought...It's so atmospheric, it brings back so many emotions of those times! I loved the whole 'storyline' of it...it just seemed so lushly romantic - and totally freewheeling.

bitchfight Holy cow this emoticon made me laugh my ass off lol
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