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Studio Fury actually better? Aye! It's all relative to individual perception, of course, but cover me with eggs and flour and bake me for 40 minutes if I don't now think the studio version of Fury is actually better than the SNL performance most of us know and love and rub against. This album should have been called Viagra because it's a grower and it don't stop comin'.
Aye, at first I was shocked, appalled and mildly bemused at what I thought was a shoddy vocal performance from the wee man, a perverse mix, subdued soloing hidden under those boyant bouncing 1999 The New Master synths making a fool of themselves like the last time they raised their syphillis heads. BUT! After listening to 3121 in whole about 30 or 40 times, and knowing half the fun in being a dedicated Prince listener is trying to figure out exactly why he wants songs to sound a certain way, I realise the Santanaesque version was only a raw live representation of the druggy, poptastic, candyflosssupernovameltjoyspunktabulous 3121 version which puts me in mind of my favourite Prince era of 86 where every song sounded like sunshine and good teeth. Seriously, it shouts amphibian evolution, hairgel space travel, licks sad rainbows and throws alien flowers at a stage with a curtain made out of Michael jackson's old chins. It's fucking great, man! Listen! Oh, and for the subconcious comedians out there who are urging the wee man to get a producer in, you'd do well to listen to popular music's favourite egghead Brian Eno, back in 1998. He told Q Maganzine that Prince was the greatest music producer the world had ever seen, that Emancipation had blown him and U2 away, and that very few people can comprehend Prince's talent, quoting 'He is this producer's producer.' Prince knows exactly what he's doing. It's up to the rest of the world to decide if they're willing to 'get on the boat' this time round. Sorry, couldn't help it.  [Edited 3/8/06 12:38pm] | |
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totally agree, 3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind. 3121 has so much to scream about its amazing, and "fury" is great on record, its classic prince, better than most stuff on "Sign o the Times". People are just unwilling to accept that he can top his 80s stuff, man if this decade keeps on the up we're gonna have a masterpiece by 2009. | |
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Sorry mate, just can't agree with you! I don't hate the studio version, and I completely understand that Prince took this track that was already in the bag and improved it, and because we heard the live track first our perceptions of what to expect were all mixed up - but -
I think an artist and producer has a responsibility to themselves to create the best version of a song they possibly can and put that on the album. I don't think Prince has done that with this particular track. Sometimes you have to really work on a track for a long time, and Prince apparently records really quickly and tries to get the entire song done in one long session. As a comparison, when Oasis put out their first album the re-recorded and re-mixed it 3 times at different studios because they just couldn't get exactly the right sound they were after, but all that work paid off in the end. Somehow I can't imagine Prince struggling like that, although you could argue he is so talented he gets the sound he wants with little effort. I think Fury would have suited a more live production sound like One of Us, The Ride or Calhoun Square, live with some overdubs. What Fury reminds me of is the lacklustre studio version of Days Of Wild compared to the live released versions. As you say, the synths smother the guitar which is too low in the mix; and vocally the studio version doesn't have the punch of the live version. I loved how he emphasized words by pausing "Ain't no fury like a woman... scorned!" I think Prince is a fantastic producer - there can't be many people who can combine all their own recorded bits and make it feel like a band and have the ability to edit their own performances so well. But that doesn't mean he gets it right every single time. | |
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i disagree metalorange! Prince fans are so used to see him performing his songs live with such energy and passion and this is why you have fans saying they only like a particular song live.
1999 sounds better live, days of wild was better live and fury is better live simply because prince is an amazing live performer. I think his studio vocal of fury is bang on! | |
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FunkyBrotha said: totally agree, 3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind. 3121 has so much to scream about its amazing, and "fury" is great on record, its classic prince, better than most stuff on "Sign o the Times". People are just unwilling to accept that he can top his 80s stuff, man if this decade keeps on the up we're gonna have a masterpiece by 2009.
 Yeah, I pity the foo who would compare Love to Lady Cab Driver, Fury to Little Red Corvette or 3121 to 1999. Finally, after teasing us with all that promise in the 80's and beyond, the little man has finally made his true masterpiece. Don't you wanna come? Hells yeah, 3121...
The Fury album cut has some great guitar playing, terrible vocals and an even worse mix, but I suppose if you listen to it 40 times in a day or so, it's bound to grow on you. No hard feelings. | |
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FunkyBrotha said: totally agree, 3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind. 3121 has so much to scream about its amazing, and "fury" is great on record, its classic prince, better than most stuff on "Sign o the Times". People are just unwilling to accept that he can top his 80s stuff, man if this decade keeps on the up we're gonna have a masterpiece by 2009.
Well, aye. I remember reading 1999's original review in one of these electropop NME specials and the title track was written off by the writer as 'weedy, dated disco-lite'. But the stars aligned and it glued itself Western world's collective subconcious. That won't happen for any of the songs on 3121 for various reasons too dull, monotomous and obvious to go into in detail here, but it's certainly got nothing to do with teh quality of Prince's recent work. My own opinion is that The Rainbow Children is his greatest album yet. | |
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metalorange  a lot of good points | |
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Wall said: FunkyBrotha said: totally agree, 3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind. 3121 has so much to scream about its amazing, and "fury" is great on record, its classic prince, better than most stuff on "Sign o the Times". People are just unwilling to accept that he can top his 80s stuff, man if this decade keeps on the up we're gonna have a masterpiece by 2009.
Yeah, I pity the foo who would compare Love to Lady Cab Driver, Fury to Little Red Corvette or 3121 to 1999. Finally, after teasing us with all that promise in the 80's and beyond, the little man has finally made his true masterpiece. Don't you wanna come? Hells yeah, 3121...
The Fury album cut has some great guitar playing, terrible vocals and an even worse mix, but I suppose if you listen to it 40 times in a day or so, it's bound to grow on you. Is that from Heaven Up Here? | |
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Number23 said: It's all relative to individual perception, of course, but cover me with eggs and flour and bake me for 40 minutes if I don't now think the studio version of Fury is actually better than the SNL performance most of us know and love and rub against.
You're wrong.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: Number23 said: It's all relative to individual perception, of course, but cover me with eggs and flour and bake me for 40 minutes if I don't now think the studio version of Fury is actually better than the SNL performance most of us know and love and rub against.
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im ur new best prince pal number23, i also think "the rainbow children" is princes best work, and after about ten full listens "3121" is defo in the top five. I cant really compare it to anything post 88 because he hasnt released anything so consistent other than TRC and ONA and lesser TGE. | |
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Number23 said: minneapolisgenius said: You're wrong. Aye, to you, but not to me. Still, I'd change your mind, baby.  I doubt it, but you're welcome to try."I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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I was initially disappointed with the studio version of Fury then I realized something that changed my opinion. On SNL, Prince interpreted the song as a rock track, but -- as presented on the album -- it's not meant to be that. It's really a new wave song. When I understood that studio Fury isn't a weak rocker but rather a great homage, it totally changed my opinion.
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FunkyBrotha said:
3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind.  I don't have the new album yet but I will believe it's better than "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", and "1999" when I see it. "Black Sweat" and "Fury" are pretty good but nothing compared to those early albums and the first single, "Tao Whatever" would have been laughed out of town by Prince fans back in the day.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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FunkyBrotha said: im ur new best prince pal number23, i also think "the rainbow children" is princes best work, and after about ten full listens "3121" is defo in the top five. I cant really compare it to anything post 88 because he hasnt released anything so consistent other than TRC and ONA and lesser TGE.
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minneapolisgenius said: Number23 said: Aye, to you, but not to me. Still, I'd change your mind, baby. I doubt it, but you're welcome to try.Nah, I'm too introverted and shy for that. I would just nod at the magic moments. I'm not really interested in bringing people over to my side of the arguement. I find the fundamental meaning and definition of opinion funny. Ugh. | |
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vainandy said: FunkyBrotha said:
3121 is right up there with his 80s stuff , and if anyone wants to dare argue "controversy", "dirty mind" or "1999" are better than this then they will lose in my mind. I don't have the new album yet but I will believe it's better than "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", and "1999" when I see it. "Black Sweat" and "Fury" are pretty good but nothing compared to those early albums and the first single, "Tao Whatever" would have been laughed out of town by Prince fans back in the day.Hello, andy.  Digging Parade yet?  | |
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livewire said: I was initially disappointed with the studio version of Fury then I realized something that changed my opinion. On SNL, Prince interpreted the song as a rock track, but -- as presented on the album -- it's not meant to be that. It's really a new wave song. When I understood that studio Fury isn't a weak rocker but rather a great homage, it totally changed my opinion.
Peace, David I agree that it's definitely not a rock track on the album but I'm not so sure about the rest of your theory. What musically or other clues given brought about this epiphany that it's a "new wave homage,"? No hard feelings. | |
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livewire said: I was initially disappointed with the studio version of Fury then I realized something that changed my opinion. On SNL, Prince interpreted the song as a rock track, but -- as presented on the album -- it's not meant to be that. It's really a new wave song. When I understood that studio Fury isn't a weak rocker but rather a great homage, it totally changed my opinion.
Peace, David I totally agree. It simply isn't a rock song, and now that I've gotten used to it, I think it's a great song. Like you said, it's more of a new wave song with some understated guitar work. I even think his vocals are okay on it now. It sounds like he was just going for a more Hendrix-styled laid back style. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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livewire said: I was initially disappointed with the studio version of Fury then I realized something that changed my opinion. On SNL, Prince interpreted the song as a rock track, but -- as presented on the album -- it's not meant to be that. It's really a new wave song. When I understood that studio Fury isn't a weak rocker but rather a great homage, it totally changed my opinion.
Peace, David Good call! I don't get the praising of his vocal performance in this song on 3121. It sounds totally lazy. Like he just kinda walked through his performance instead of fucking the living daylights out of everything about the song. We got spoiled with the live performance but in all I do really dig this track. The live version was just so tight but I have to admit alien flowers slapping that curtain made of michael Jacksons old chins made me apprecitate the song with a vengance. Curtain made of Michael Jackson's old chins.... Good God!!!   2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Number23 said: It's all relative to individual perception, of course, but cover me with eggs and flour and bake me for 40 minutes if I don't now think the studio version of Fury is actually better than the SNL performance most of us know and love and rub against. This album should have been called Viagra because it's a grower and it don't stop comin'.
Aye, at first I was shocked, appalled and mildly bemused at what I thought was a shoddy vocal performance from the wee man, a perverse mix, subdued soloing hidden under those boyant bouncing 1999 The New Master synths making a fool of themselves like the last time they raised their syphillis heads. BUT! After listening to 3121 in whole about 30 or 40 times, and knowing half the fun in being a dedicated Prince listener is trying to figure out exactly why he wants songs to sound a certain way, I realise the Santanaesque version was only a raw live representation of the druggy, poptastic, candyflosssupernovameltjoyspunktabulous 3121 version which puts me in mind of my favourite Prince era of 86 where every song sounded like sunshine and good teeth. Seriously, it shouts amphibian evolution, hairgel space travel, licks sad rainbows and throws alien flowers at a stage with a curtain made out of Michael jackson's old chins. It's fucking great, man! Listen! Oh, and for the subconcious comedians out there who are urging the wee man to get a producer in, you'd do well to listen to popular music's favourite egghead Brian Eno, back in 1998. He told Q Maganzine that Prince was the greatest music producer the world had ever seen, that Emancipation had blown him and U2 away, and that very few people can comprehend Prince's talent, quoting 'He is this producer's producer.' Prince knows exactly what he's doing. It's up to the rest of the world to decide if they're willing to 'get on the boat' this time round. Sorry, couldn't help it.
i don't agree with you, not yet anyway, about the studio Fury, but very good post. right now it just seems prince went 'endorphinemachine' on fury. hey why not add some cowbell to it, and make every guitar part a purple axe synth riff? while you're at it, get some goofy background dialogue like in Lolita or the wrecked album version of Zanalee? yeah, now its ready to fly!  Welcome to the New World Odor and
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lemme go back a try to listen to it again, as a new wave song, ...kinda like Lolita seems to be.
yeah, ok sounds good. -but this song is SUPPOSED TO RAWK, SUPPOSED TO RIP! Welcome to the New World Odor and
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this is when real music fans should just avoid the internet, esp msg boards! Prince made fury that way coz he wanted it that way and i think its great, its not meant to be endorphinmachine, they are totally different styles.
I must admit however that the vocal is totally new for prince, we havent heard this kinda lazy vibe from him before, im glad he did it for the Hendrix kinda style. Lolita is amazing! | |
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Number23 said: vainandy said: I don't have the new album yet but I will believe it's better than "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", and "1999" when I see it. "Black Sweat" and "Fury" are pretty good but nothing compared to those early albums and the first single, "Tao Whatever" would have been laughed out of town by Prince fans back in the day.Hello, andy. Digging Parade yet? Hello. Yeah, compared to "The Truth" album, "Parade" is as hard as "1999". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Wall said: What musically or other clues given brought about this epiphany that it's a "new wave homage,"?
As soon as I stopped trying to make the song into something it wasn't and actually listened, it was clear. I love new wave, in the early 80s I was all about it and there's a ton of it in my music collection. Fury's keyboard lines are pure old skool new wave. I can't believe I didn't hear it the first time through. Just shows what preconceived notions can do to color one's perception. Peace, David | |
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HiinEnkelte said: *snip* yeah, ok sounds good. -but this song is SUPPOSED TO RAWK, SUPPOSED TO RIP!
Believe me, I understand!
Seriously though, I see Fury as the new Kiss -- not in sound, of course, but for the fact that it will probably be a tune that Prince never performs live in the same fashion as the officially released version. My guess is that Live Fury will remain a scorching "rocker." Peace, David | |
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candyflosssupernovameltjoyspunktabulous - what does this word mean? | |
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You can call it whatever you want but to me it still sounds like a missed opportunity. "No, you don't understand, he WANTED it to sound kinda half-assed, that's the genius in it!" But I agree, it will always rock live and let's hope he releases a non-New Wave tribute version in some form in the new future. No hard feelings. | |
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Wall said: You can call it whatever you want but to me it still sounds like a missed opportunity.
Fair enough, I have no desire to disabuse you of that feeling. It's valid. 
All I'm saying in this thread is that folks shouldn't hate a cat for not being a dog. Peace, David | |
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Even if Fury could be classed as new wave, I still prefer it as a live rock track! And I still think it comes back to getting the most out of a song and putting the best version on the album. Classifying it as 'new wave' does not suddenly improve the track, as far as I can see. Having to narrow your view, put blinkers on, and pretend the live version doesn't exist as a way of enjoying the track more sounds a bit silly to me.
It's like, the live version of Life O' The Party was better than the one on Musicology, most people would say. No need to justify the existence of the album track by re-classifying it. | |
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