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Printableprince has never forced me to do anything ...
however i wouldn't mind. being forced i mean... | |
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What a loaded question. 
Prince can't force you to do anything. You don't have to attend a concert but if you do don't have to bow your head in prayer to the "One God" etc. I for one deleted the questions as I had no interest in sharing my views on those topics at NPGMC's request. | |
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AS SOMEONE STATED: Just to play devil's advocate here (pardon the pun), nobody really got their feathers in a ruffle when Madonna came out with "Ray Of Light" and got all Om Shanti on us, extoling the virtues of her Eastern mysticism beliefs. When she did that, it was "cool" and "hip".
My Reply to that: Madonna did it and didn't continue w/ it over and over again, she didn't address it at the concerts and she didn't say hey, if you don't believe in buddah or God, that you need to go elsewhere...she didn't constantly weigh on the subject as much as Prince is, and I have no problem w/ Prince doing so, but its a time and place for all of that! Prince is 43 and is a new person now, but don't start off being all about god and sex and act as if everyone else is not pure and godly like, since were still all about sex and god...and its just the fact that we all believe in something and if we don't, why should he continue to throw Larry G. way of life on us... he's not to deep in this lately, but Paisley park is a studio and dance club, not a church! | |
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I went to the celebration and there was some discussion going on. I was unsure about the survey, then decided I should give my input. In my opinion, Prince is at a very happy comfortable place in his life. When you are feeling good you have a tendancy to talk about it. You also want to help those you care about to get to the same place.
At the celebration he was VERY relaxed and it looked as if he was truly enjoying himself, this is what makes me happy. I am a grown person and I will conduct my life as I see fit no matter what he says, just as he is. Just my thoughts. Yeah.........it's just me | |
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1 Peter 4:4 “ Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.”
'nuff said | |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: My opinion is that people are misconstruing P "forcing" his belief system onto them. In actuality, what I believe is happening is that they are uncomfortable with the awkward feelings P's words evoke within them. It's easier to sorta play the victim and say someone "made" you feel bad or weird than it is to take a deep look inside and figure out why you're feeling that way.
Hmmm...  In all things, in how you deal with people and life everyday, it's always the hardest thing to see and do also. Those are great words you posted, something to really explore and think about. Thanks for posting. | |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: Seriously, though, I think that hearing something which doesn't "go with" our own belief system can initially feel awkward. Someone brought up in a very traditional or very liberal home environment, for example, who then ventures into unknown territory and experiences something quite different than what they've been taught, often encounters some major cognitive dissonance. Shock, disbelief, anger are all typical defense mechanisms used to protect the belief system and keep the person feeling comfortable and in his/her element. Some of us, ahem
, feel secure enough in our core values/beliefs that hearing alternate viewpoints might inspire annoyance, disagreement, discourse, etc., but hardly would cause us to feel threatened or "forced" into anything...
Poopy-woopy-doopy edit shmedit message! [This message was edited Thu Jul 11 17:44:01 PDT 2002 by AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead] She said it all right here. | |
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Bibleteacher89 said: 1 Peter 4:4 “ Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.”
'nuff said Tis true, no? They hate the idea of being shamed for what they know is wrong... | |
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Some NT Jackoff called Peter said Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU
I wonder how many times this a-hole actually had his dick sucked by a beautiful woman. Or how skilled he was in the art of cunnilingus. I'll stick to the wonderful "low sink of debauchery", if it's all the same to you - this 'Peter' sounds like a joyless party-pooping prick to me. "Save me a place in the $10 grave, with those who took money for the pleasure they gave..." (some Canadian Jew I believe). | |
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Bibleteacher89 said: 1 Peter 4:4 “ Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.”
'nuff said 1 Luke - 2:LiveCrew:89“ Put your lips on my dick and suck my asshole too. ” 'nuff said | |
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CTazeRussell said: Bibleteacher89 said: 1 Peter 4:4 “ Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.”
'nuff said 1 Luke - 2:LiveCrew:89“ Put your lips on my dick and suck my asshole too. ” 'nuff said theC  | |
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TheMax said: Let's stop arguing over the unfortunate use of the word "force." The topic question is easily understood to ask whether or not it's appropriate or desirable for Prince to openly urge his fans to agree with his religious beliefs.
He's always written music about controversial stuff - that's part of the allure. But when I read this topic question, I feel that it has little to do with the change in musical content. It's about the nonmusical crap. Since when did Prince stop mid-song during a Dirty Mind concert in the 80's and say: "I just want to know how many here in this arena agree fantasize about sex with your older sister! Incest is everything it's supposed to be. Let me see your hands if you agree. It's the only way, boys. Know the truth, have sex with your sister." Well, if he had, it might have killed the music for me then as well. In years past, he let his MUSIC do the preaching. Now, he insults our intelligence with repeated nonmusical religious gibberish. In my opinion, it diminshes his art. He's more than talented enough to fold these latest personal beliefs into his music (see TRC), leave us to interpret the messages (sadly, even the religious ones), and stop sounding like a religious lunatic at performances where most of us paid to hear MUSIC, not preaching. Shut up already, DAMN! ___ Amen to that. And now his music is 90% pushing his beliefs, 5% funk and 5% let's have fun-- 0% sex.  ______________________________________________
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Anxiety said: LadyCabDriver said: Anxiety said: Just to play devil's advocate here (pardon the pun), nobody really got their feathers in a ruffle when Madonna came out with "Ray Of Light" and got all Om Shanti on us, extoling the virtues of her Eastern mysticism beliefs. When she did that, it was "cool" and "hip".
That's true, but Madonna never took a moment during her US Tour to try and convert the concertgoers to "agree" with what she's believing. This is what Prince is doing. She keeps it to herself, she doesn't force it on her fans. Good point. She just forced her GUITAR PLAYING on audiences. :-O LOL | |
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Wow! this topic has a lot of posts!!
What I want to know is why this little man forced me to look at his buttless pants back in the day!! I got a whole lot of butt in my face when he did that to me. I'd rather believe both his butt cheeks were covered by cloth, but then I saw a crack of light and knew that he had cut holes in his pants, cut out to show both butt cheeks at once and made me look at them, I was just glad he didn't force me squeeze his butt cheeks! | |
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bobgeorge said: NPD313 said: Why is it now that he is enforcing his religious beliefs on his fans?
Why is it that the non-believers feel they can "force" their views back? If you feel strongly about NOT believing in God...then why does Prince not have the right to believe? we are all adults with brains...and with the capacity to choose what we listen to, especially in entertainment. It is really is pointless to continue to argue HIS belief system that he wants to share...tune out and turn it off. there are many athiest musicians to go around. probably takes more conviction to be an athiest... to maintain that suspension of belief. | |
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Bibleteacher89 said: 1 Peter 4:4 “ Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.”
'nuff said true enuff... who is speaking abusively of (and to) whom on this forum? and furthermore... the abusive ones still somehow think they are being daring by reciting stock obscenities... whereas you are, in fact, more conformist than anything becuz what prince preached as daring early on in his career (vis-a-vis sexuality) is now pretty much accepted in western society. in order to be shocking and non-conformist again, he had to do an about-face. prince is so very rad and always will be. that's what makes him prince. i love to see him shocking some of these fams/fans who are still so very stuck in these post-adolescent attitudes. i hope your values are serving you well, relationship-wise. | |
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I don't think what Prince is doing now in terms of relaying his beliefs to his fans is any different than what he used to be doing when he sang about sex & whatever else got people interested in him initially. However, it's very clear that what he is doing now has alienated a large number of his fans with his new beliefs. That's not forcing - we're all capable of refusing to listen to his new stuff, just as we were with his old stuff. But I will admit, if I went to a celebration of his music & got shanghaid with religious nonsense, I'd be flabberghasted. | |
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apollonia7 said: true enuff... who is speaking abusively of (and to) whom on this forum? and furthermore... the abusive ones still somehow think they are being daring by reciting stock obscenities... whereas you are, in fact, more conformist than anything becuz what prince preached as daring early on in his career (vis-a-vis sexuality) is now pretty much accepted in western society. in order to be shocking and non-conformist again, he had to do an about-face.
you only agree because it is in your best interest as a follower of said religion to do so. you justify your behavior because accepting the truth causes pain in your mind. it is easier to remain ignorant, to believe that swear words are evil, to believe that sex is wrong, to repress what your body tells you about the world because you believe your body is of the earth and therefore will only lead you to sin and the devil. that is the path of least resistance, that is the path of ignorance. JW gives you a nice little box to which all things can fit, but unfortunalty you can't convert the intelligent (sorry P, but it's true) because we've come out of the cave, we know that your little box doesn't solve any problems, it only creates more. "the accepted version if western society" is repressive right winged missonaries and christians who claim to be doing the lords work as they steal resources from brown people across the globe because they have guns and those people do not. western culure is "manifest destiny" and that is what P is buying into. therefore, he used to be counter culture and now he is not. and "me so horny" is not stock obscenities. luke and the boys had some hardcore creative obscenities! | |
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you only agree because it is in your best interest as a follower of said religion to do so. you justify your behavior because accepting the truth causes pain in your mind. it is easier to remain ignorant, to believe that swear words are evil, to believe that sex is wrong, to repress what your body tells you about the world because you believe your body is of the earth and therefore will only lead you to sin and the devil. that is the path of least resistance, that is the path of ignorance. JW gives you a nice little box to which all things can fit, but unfortunalty you can't convert the intelligent (sorry P, but it's true) because we've come out of the cave, we know that your little box doesn't solve any problems, it only creates more. "the accepted version if western society" is repressive right winged missonaries and christians who claim to be doing the lords work as they steal resources from brown people across the globe because they have guns and those people do not. western culure is "manifest destiny" and that is what P is buying into. therefore, he used to be counter culture and now he is not.
and "me so horny" is not stock obscenities. luke and the boys had some hardcore creative obscenities![/quote] This will stand as the most assnine thread I've ever read on here. Enjoy the entitlement of your warped worldview. | |
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bonojr said: This will stand as the most assnine thread I've ever read on here. Enjoy the entitlement of your warped worldview.
I second that "emotion" Taze, When YOU get an original thought in your head, let me know. I might actually listen to what you have to say. Until then, your lemming-like, anti-JW bandwagon posts will be filed in the "too rediculous to even be aknowledged" folder. | |
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NPD313 said: Prince has taught us many things from his works...Why is it now that he is enforcing his religious beliefs on his fans? I learned a new way to view life through his music and concerts, Prince is GREAT! He is one of a kind, but is it really a need to force his religious views and hold discussions about god at his weeklong celebrations? I enjoy his company and the fact that he allows us to come to the place that he records and relax, but its another when all of us, are adults and have as much knowledge of the word or maybe not, its up to us ultimately to believe in the JW or allah, or christian, catholic religions...why is it so improtant to him to make us believe in GOD? [This message was edited Fri Jul 12 11:25:19 PDT 2002 by NPD313] That's organized religion. After a person allows themselves to be brainwashed by a religion it then becomes their 'biblical duty' to try an brainwash everyone else. Just be patient, NPD313, Prince will wake up one day and realize his mistake and do everything he can to correct it. Just like when he realized signing a $100,000,000.00 contract with WB wasn't that great of an idea after all either.   Proud member of Prince's cult for 20 years! | |
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CTazeRussell said: apollonia7 said: true enuff... who is speaking abusively of (and to) whom on this forum? and furthermore... the abusive ones still somehow think they are being daring by reciting stock obscenities... whereas you are, in fact, more conformist than anything becuz what prince preached as daring early on in his career (vis-a-vis sexuality) is now pretty much accepted in western society. in order to be shocking and non-conformist again, he had to do an about-face.
you only agree because it is in your best interest as a follower of said religion to do so. you justify your behavior because accepting the truth causes pain in your mind. it is easier to remain ignorant, to believe that swear words are evil, to believe that sex is wrong, to repress what your body tells you about the world because you believe your body is of the earth and therefore will only lead you to sin and the devil. that is the path of least resistance, that is the path of ignorance. JW gives you a nice little box to which all things can fit, but unfortunalty you can't convert the intelligent (sorry P, but it's true) because we've come out of the cave, we know that your little box doesn't solve any problems, it only creates more. "the accepted version if western society" is repressive right winged missonaries and christians who claim to be doing the lords work as they steal resources from brown people across the globe because they have guns and those people do not. western culure is "manifest destiny" and that is what P is buying into. therefore, he used to be counter culture and now he is not. and "me so horny" is not stock obscenities. luke and the boys had some hardcore creative obscenities! ha ha i saw your org note before i saw this forum! you really wanted me to hear it, didn't you? i do think it's kinda wimpy on your part, however, to block any response from me. just to let you know. | |
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the lines have re-opened. you have yourself a good day. | |
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Bibleteacher 89 said Do you know what happens most of the time when persons actually get to know one of us and reasonably speak with us regarding our teachings? They are shocked!! why? Because all they have heard is the crap that people like you feed them. They are shocked that I am a JW. That I am not some bizzare freak cultist. That I am a normal person who just happens to have a vast knowledge about the Bible and am willing to volunteer as much time as I can to make sure others have the opportunity to make an educated decision as well. Then they let the wall drop, many times talk with us about the Bible, and learn more than they ever thought possible
And such modesty! The only problem with having a "vast knowledge of the Bible" is that you need to balance it with a vast knowledge of other areas of human culture, and competing ideas. Without such research we can never rule out the possibilty that enlightenment can be found in sources other than the Bible. The problem is that no one person can do this to any great extent at all. Hence no human is really qualified to make absolute judgements about the content of the Bible. There is always an alternative explanation that we would be arrogant to rule out. Certainly I would never rule out the possibility that Jesus was the son of God sent to redeem mankind as was prophesized in the OT. I've always thought it more likely that David Friedrich Strauss style explanations are right (published 'The Life of Jesus Critically Examined', 1835). But I don't KNOW. For a quite good short review of modern Bible research (and its implications) see 'The Historical Jesus and the Question of Religious Authority' by Gregory W. Dawes (easily available on the web). | |
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Sheesh. Now we back on this again. ::slaps forhead:: | |
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PrincPDC said Sheesh. Now we back on this again. ::slaps forhead::
Are you in some kind of prison? Are you being forced to read threads in which you have no interest? If so, please contact Amnesty International. This torture must stop! | |
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Someone said: Wow! this topic has a lot of posts!!
My point Xactly, I wanted ppl to posttheir views! hehehe Thanks Everyone | |
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