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Thread started 07/11/02 3:16pm

NPD313

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Should Prince Force his beliefs on his Fans?

After 20 some odd years, Prince has been one to create music that has blurred the lines b/t Sex, God and Race.
Prince has taught us many things from his works...Why is it now that he is enforcing his religious beliefs on his fans?

I learned a new way to view life through his music and concerts, Prince is GREAT! He is one of a kind, but is it really a need to force his religious views and hold discussions about god at his weeklong celebrations?
I enjoy his company and the fact that he allows us to come to the place that he records and relax, but its another when all of us, are adults and have as much knowledge of the word or maybe not, its up to us ultimately to believe in the JW or allah, or christian, catholic religions...why is it so improtant to him to make us believe in GOD?
How come he can't have his own personal beliefs and continue to create the music were used to getting, like "Annie Christian", "Lets pretend were married", "Do u Lie", "Lovesexy", "Do it all night","Darlin Nikki" and "Gett Off" w/out changing lyrics?

Why PRINCE, WHY?

UPDATE!
AS SOMEONE STATED: Just to play devil's advocate here (pardon the pun), nobody really got their feathers in a ruffle when Madonna came out with "Ray Of Light" and got all Om Shanti on us, extoling the virtues of her Eastern mysticism beliefs. When she did that, it was "cool" and "hip".


My Reply to that:

Madonna did it and didn't continue w/ it over and over again, she didn't address it at the concerts and she didn't say hey, if you don't believe in buddah or God, that you need to go elsewhere...she didn't constantly weigh on the subject as much as Prince is, and I have no problem w/ Prince doing so, but its a time and place for all of that!

Prince is 43 and is now a new person now, but don't start off being all about god and sex and act as if everyone else is not pure and godly like, since youve become a JW or Godly...and its just the fact that we all believe in something and if we don't, why should he continue to throw Larry Grahams way of life on us... he's not to deep in this lately but Paisley park is a studio and dance club, not a church!
I believe in God and ppl know this, but ultimately its me and god, not me and the world, I'm thankful for the information, but I'd rather come and see you play and not go to sunday school for 100$
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 11:25:19 PDT 2002 by NPD313]
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Reply #1 posted 07/11/02 3:18pm

Universaluv

Force? As an adult Prince really can't force anything on me.
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Reply #2 posted 07/11/02 3:22pm

SkletonKee

There is a time and place for everything. Lately, Prince has been crossing that line...often.
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Reply #3 posted 07/11/02 3:24pm

2the9s

Is this in response to those questions from the Club?

If so, I don't know. It sounds like the Celebration was pretty free from that stuff, despite the fact that a lot of people kept saying things like "I hope he doesn't preach!" or "I hope he won't try to convert us!" With the exception of some weird theatrics by Larry G., it sounds like it was pretty much focused on fun. (Although I didn't go myself. Just read some of the reports.)

The fact that he wants to get some feedback and maybe have people realize after the fact that they were participating in something that is to him important spiritually sounds pretty non-intrusive to me.
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Reply #4 posted 07/11/02 3:25pm

2the9s

P.S. Don't flame me. I am a delicate flower.
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Reply #5 posted 07/11/02 3:25pm

IceNine

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2the9s said:

The fact that he wants to get some feedback and maybe have people realize after the fact that they were participating in something that is to him important spiritually sounds pretty non-intrusive to me.



I can dig that... just as long as he doesn't fucking preach to me I am cool...
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Reply #6 posted 07/11/02 3:26pm

IceNine

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2the9s said:

P.S. Don't flame me. I am a delicate flower.



I heard that about you... I would never have believed it.
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Reply #7 posted 07/11/02 3:26pm

Universaluv

"time and place for everything".. says who. If Prince wants to be more of a psuedo-gospel artist right now that's his right. If I don't want to hear him be a gospel artist that's my right. I just don't understand how he's "forcing" anything on us.
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Reply #8 posted 07/11/02 3:28pm

Chandrasonic

2the9s said:

P.S. Don't flame me. I am a delicate flower.



Are you in a bunch? eek
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Reply #9 posted 07/11/02 3:29pm

IceNine

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Universaluv said:

"time and place for everything".. says who. If Prince wants to be more of a psuedo-gospel artist right now that's his right. If I don't want to hear him be a gospel artist that's my right. I just don't understand how he's "forcing" anything on us.



The problem is that you are exactly right... he can do anything he wants because it is his career, his music and the choices are ultimately his. There are a whole lot of us who don't dig the preaching and christian stuff, but it is also our choice not to buy his new music and not to see his shows.
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Reply #10 posted 07/11/02 3:32pm

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Prince writes about whatever is in his heart, it just so happens that it is full of God just now. I have friends who could not connect with the sexual content of a lot of the old stuff and now they listen to his music. I guess it is just horses for courses.
RIP sad
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Reply #11 posted 07/11/02 3:33pm

peterv

universaluv... that's what it's all about...
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Reply #12 posted 07/11/02 3:35pm

wellbeyond

"Forcing" his beliefs on us??...

As far as I know, parents can force their beliefs on their children...and the government can force their beliefs on their citizens...everything else is just people talkin'...

But if he is forcing his beliefs on fans, then he's been forcing his beliefs on fans pretty much since day one...("After 20 some odd years, Prince has been one to create music that has blurred the lines b/t Sex, God and Race. Prince has taught us many things from his works...")...it only became "forcing" when the subject matter changed...


...and I'm forcing this edit statement on y'all..so there!!..
[This message was edited Thu Jul 11 15:36:39 PDT 2002 by wellbeyond]
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Reply #13 posted 07/11/02 3:36pm

Universaluv

Yes icenine and I totally agree! Prince is not 22 years old anymore. After twenty years he's a different person, what a shocker! Now if you're not into him anymore, that's cool. If you still are, that's cool too. But he's certainly not forcing anything. I remember going to see him in the eighties and thinking."I wonder how much he's gonna preach tonight?" It's still annoying today but it still hasn't ruined the experience for me, personally. Now if it ruins the experience for you, then you aren't being "forced" to listen. You can always vote with your feet. I'm not saying you have to give him up, but you do have the choice.

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Reply #14 posted 07/11/02 3:38pm

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Universaluv said:

Force? As an adult Prince really can't force anything on me.

amen 2 that--if u don't like somethin he's sayin, take the cd outta the player, the needle off the record, whatever. ignore it. neutral
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Reply #15 posted 07/11/02 3:44pm

Chandrasonic

I dont feel that Prince is forcing his beliefs on us. As an adult, nobody can force their beliefs on you unless you let them.
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Reply #16 posted 07/11/02 3:49pm

Berry

I think what happens is that there comes a time in our lives [hopefully] when we "get it". Some sort of rational or understanding. It makes sense...whatever "it" is. And when we find this we want all to know about "it", because we think it will help them as it did us.
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Reply #17 posted 07/11/02 3:50pm

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Yeah i don't beleive he is forcing his beliefs on us. Every concert i've been to he basically says the same stuff about God. I figure he has been making albums since he was what...18 or 19? Im sure he has done alot of growing up since then. If you found something good, wouldnt you like to share with others too?
Peace and Love!
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Reply #18 posted 07/11/02 3:56pm

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Prince is welcome to try to force his beliefs on me.

But first, it's only fair to warn him no one ever actually succeeded in "forcing" their beliefs on me, not even my mommie...
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Reply #19 posted 07/11/02 3:58pm

IceNine

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vgallo6 said:

If you found something good, wouldnt you like to share with others too?



I found the wonderful world of atheism/agnosticism many, many years ago, but I try not to tell people that they should believe as I do.

By the way, no offense was meant in any way by my statement.
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Reply #20 posted 07/11/02 3:58pm

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Aerogram said:

Prince is welcome to try to force his beliefs on me.

But first, it's only fair to warn him no one ever actually succeeded in "forcing" their beliefs on me, not even my mommie...



Don't you mean "Prince is welcome to force himself on you?"

:LOL:

Just kidding!
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Reply #21 posted 07/11/02 4:02pm

wellbeyond

Aerogram said:

Prince is welcome to try to force his beliefs on me.

But first, it's only fair to warn him no one ever actually succeeded in "forcing" their beliefs on me, not even my mommie...

Hey, now...I forced the belief on you that I was a smart-assed know-it-all who liked being contrary just for the fuck of it.!! (booyah!).. 8)
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Reply #22 posted 07/11/02 4:04pm

AzureStar

wellbeyond said:

"Forcing" his beliefs on us??...

As far as I know, parents can force their beliefs on their children...and the government can force their beliefs on their citizens...everything else is just people talkin'...

But if he is forcing his beliefs on fans, then he's been forcing his beliefs on fans pretty much since day one...("After 20 some odd years, Prince has been one to create music that has blurred the lines b/t Sex, God and Race. Prince has taught us many things from his works...")...it only became "forcing" when the subject matter changed...


...and I'm forcing this edit statement on y'all..so there!!..
[This message was edited Thu Jul 11 15:36:39 PDT 2002 by wellbeyond]


YEAH! What you said!

Hi. smile
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Reply #23 posted 07/11/02 4:07pm

wellbeyond

AzureStar said:

YEAH! What you said!

Hi. smile

So you agree that my edit statement was a bit forceful, then??...

Hi. 8)
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Reply #24 posted 07/11/02 4:09pm

AzureStar

wellbeyond said:

So you agree that my edit statement was a bit forceful, then??...

Hi. 8)


Ooooh, Wellbeyond - I agree with everything you say! Don't you know that by now? wink
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Reply #25 posted 07/11/02 4:09pm

Aerogram

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wellbeyond said:

Aerogram said:

Prince is welcome to try to force his beliefs on me.

But first, it's only fair to warn him no one ever actually succeeded in "forcing" their beliefs on me, not even my mommie...

Hey, now...I forced the belief on you that I was a smart-assed know-it-all who liked being contrary just for the fuck of it.!! (booyah!).. 8)


Riiight! Pay attention when the future Mrs Wellbeyond says "sure" a lot... you might notice the subtle rolleyes movements. smile
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Reply #26 posted 07/11/02 4:12pm

Aerogram

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IceNine said:

Aerogram said:

Prince is welcome to try to force his beliefs on me.

But first, it's only fair to warn him no one ever actually succeeded in "forcing" their beliefs on me, not even my mommie...



Don't you mean "Prince is welcome to force himself on you?"

:LOL:

Just kidding!


Considering I just used my mom in my explanation, I'd be surprised if you weren't kidding. smile
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Reply #27 posted 07/11/02 4:13pm

Anxiety

Just to play devil's advocate here (pardon the pun), nobody really got their feathers in a ruffle when Madonna came out with "Ray Of Light" and got all Om Shanti on us, extoling the virtues of her Eastern mysticism beliefs. When she did that, it was "cool" and "hip". There's not a whole lot that's "cool" or "hip" about the Jehovah's Witnesses, at least where mainstream pop culture is concerned. Yet when Prince devoted an album to his newfound beliefs, lots of folks found him to be "preachy".

I'm not saying he is or he isn't...just offering a perspective to see what comes back from it...go at it.
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Reply #28 posted 07/11/02 4:13pm

wellbeyond

Aerogram said:

Riiight! Pay attention when the future Mrs Wellbeyond says "sure" a lot... you might notice the subtle rolleyes movements. smile

I'd never marry a woman who's subtle...you should know that, Aero..lol wink
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Reply #29 posted 07/11/02 4:15pm

wellbeyond

AzureStar said:

Ooooh, Wellbeyond - I agree with everything you say! Don't you know that by now? wink

You do??.. :O
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