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Printablebennett said: Personally, its not the differences in opinion that bother me the most, its the negatively in the language used in some posts. P fucked up this...fucked up that. As if they could do better. Just except the art and the artist for what they are and enjoy the overall picture. If P released 20 sumthin albums that sounded like Purple Rain u'd still b complaining. How many artists of his statue (and I don't mean height) who have been around that long are still trying to push the envelope. Probably could count them on one hand. Wake up and smell the purple roses!
Preach on!!! It's like people saying P needs a producer. How do you know that people won't think that he really trying to chase trends then? No one here really know what goes on in Prince's head when he makes the music. We should all be able to express ourselves with his music but I get amazed when I read some of the stuff even if I agree with some if any of it. [Edited 3/9/06 8:30am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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metalorange said: I think as much as there are criticisms on here, there are people raving about it, it just depends on what you want to focus on. You don't really get threads with the title, "this love you have for 3121 - I'm getting angry!' but it would be just as valid, everyone is entitled to their opinions and not even Prince is above criticism. No, I probably wouldn't say it to his face, but then I probably wouldn't even tell my best mate his breath smells either...
Gauging whether an album is 'good' or not is a difficult proposition. If you asked someone on the street whether they expected Prince fans to like the new Prince album, their response would likely be, 'Well, yeah, they're fans, aren't they?!' but in fact, as seen on here, the opinions vary hugely and criticisms can be scathing. Here's an analogy: ask someone if they liked a particular painting, they might say, 'Yes. It's got pretty colours'. Ask someone who has some background knowledge, they might expound on the history of the artist, themes they can see in the painting from previous work, put it in the context of his body of work. That to me would be a far more valid and worthy critique, looking beyond the immediate surface imagery. And that is what fans on here do - they basically use 'comparitive analysis', putting this album in the context of all the others, plus plain just saying whether they enjoy it or not. All that adds upto quite a balanced set of reviews, in my opinion. There's no way Prince can please all the people all the time, but if he pleases you, then why should someone else critiquing him effect your opinions? And why is it important to frown on theirs? I don't think there's anything wrong with being critical of Prince or his work. I think what JonyLawson's annoyed with is the constant whining and moaning from some folks. Some people cannot be pleased, and it wouldn't matter if P put out another SOTT, they would still complain. There's nothing wrong with a scathing review (hey, I've frequently raked NPS over the coals), as long as it actually SAYS something, and makes valid points about the music therein. Just whining that Prince now "sucks" doesn't really make for a decent analysis, and I wonder what the point is of doing that? To me, such an attitude is just as annoying as the die-hard "fam" who would declare an album of Prince making fart noises with his armpit to be a masterpiece. Either extreme doesn't really make sense to me. 
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Over 90% of PRINCE FANS MOAN.
All they do is wait anxiously for new product so they can moan and complain about it. That is one of their main characteristics and is probably a scientific fact (somewhere). The remaining 10% who do not consistently complain and just 'go along for the ride' are classified as 'ass kissers'. Over 90% of Prince fans always predict the next Prince release will be a 'failiure' yet at least 89% of them buy the disc. They also download it early, because they cannot wait until the retail release to begin complaining and critiquing the CD in detail as if they are a music magazine journalist. In addition, Prince's career always continues, although these 'failiure' accusations first began in 1990, then re-started in 1996 and have not abated on every release since. It is now 2006. These kinds of happenings are now ritual and have a certain amount of enjoyment to them. It is almost as religious experience. See you next year! Peace Mr7 | |
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Over 90% of PRINCE FANS MOAN.
All they do is wait anxiously for new product so they can moan and complain about it. That is one of their main characteristics and is probably a scientific fact (somewhere). The remaining 10% who do not consistently complain and just 'go along for the ride' are classified as 'ass kissers'. Over 90% of Prince fans always predict the next Prince release will be a 'failiure' yet at least 89% of them buy the disc. They also download it early, because they cannot wait until the retail release to begin complaining and critiquing the CD in detail as if they are a music magazine journalist. In addition, Prince's career always continues, although these 'failiure' accusations first began in 1990, then re-started in 1996 and have not abated on every release since. It is now 2006. These kinds of happenings are now ritual and have a certain amount of enjoyment to them. It is almost as religious experience. See you next year! Peace Mr7 | |
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Nothing beats the moaning of people who don't like other people to have their own view.....  . |
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jonylawson said: and you would sound like a complete fool
thats like a food critic who cant cook,a footballers whos never played football etc you do have to be careful in taking the critical route-why dont you make an album how you want-download that and we'll all take a listen then mebbes you can start to disconstruct 3121 what??? you're not seriously suggesting that it's automatically not a valid opinion if the person offering it cannot perform the skill being reviewed? sure, some opinions might seem to hold more weight based on the knowledge and expertise of the person making the judgment, but we have to form opinions on all manner of things every single day, and we can't possibly be expected to be so diversely competent. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism. a footballer who's never played football?  | |
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Mr7 said: Over 90% of PRINCE FANS MOAN.
So either you did a survey of some kind or you just pulled this 90% out of your ass (I expect the latter one...) All they do is wait anxiously for new product so they can moan and complain about it.
Talk about a bitter "complainer about the complainers", you're quite hilarious... That is one of their main characteristics and is probably a scientific fact (somewhere).
I highly doubt scientists wasted their knowledge and time on a bunch of Prince fans and study their behaviours... The remaining 10% who do not consistently complain and just 'go along for the ride' are classified as 'ass kissers'.
Just because you see everything in these simple black and white scenarioes doesn't mean there's any truth in it, you obviously just see what you want to see... Over 90% of Prince fans always predict the next Prince release will be a 'failiure' yet at least 89% of them buy the disc.
Again pulling bullshit out of your ass, by your logic that would make you a bull... They also download it early, because they cannot wait until the retail release to begin complaining and critiquing the CD in detail as if they are a music magazine journalist.
Or they just want to hear the new music... In addition, Prince's career always continues, although these 'failiure' accusations first began in 1990, then re-started in 1996 and have not abated on every release since.
You're probably someone who became a fan in the 1990's to write something as stupid as this, like I said: "People bitched about "Purple Rain", there were people who bitched about "Around The World In A Day", there were people who bitched about "1999", there were people who bitched about "Sign 'O' The Times" etc. etc. etc..." So quit bitching about something that has always been and always will be, it's just a waste of time... Neversin. [Edited 3/9/06 8:50am] O(+>NIИ<+)O
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BSK3601 said: Neversin said: And still your brain can't comprehend the logic of it... What's worse? The cunt bitch or the cunt bitch that bitches about the bitches? People bitched about "Purple Rain", there were people who bitched about "Around The World In A Day", there were people who bitched about "1999", there were people who bitched about "Sign 'O' The Times" etc. etc. etc... But anyway, every single Prince release got positive feedback AND negative feedback, so quit bitching about something that has always been and always will be... Neversin. [Edited 3/9/06 8:19am] I think that just about wraps up this thread...  I think so too
Just as you supposedly see the same people complaining, you also see the same people complaining about the complaining. And so the cycle continues! | |
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JediMaster said: such an attitude is just as annoying as the die-hard "fam" who would declare an album of Prince making fart noises with his armpit to be a masterpiece.
See, now if 'The Human Body' had had a few more of those, it woulda been a masterpiece.  | |
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Fucking grow up. | |
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Well I would tell him that Musuckology sucks ass wind but I would also tell him that 3121 is the damn bomb  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Over 90% of PRINCE FANS MOAN.
All they do is wait anxiously for new product so they can moan and complain about it. That is one of their main characteristics and is probably a scientific fact (somewhere). The remaining 10% who do not consistently complain and just 'go along for the ride' are classified as 'ass kissers'. Over 90% of Prince fans always predict the next Prince release will be a 'failiure' yet at least 89% of them buy the disc. They also download it early, because they cannot wait until the retail release to begin complaining and critiquing the CD in detail as if they are a music magazine journalist. In addition, Prince's career always continues, although these 'failiure' accusations first began in 1990, then re-started in 1996 and have not abated on every release since. It is now 2006. These kinds of happenings are now ritual and have a certain amount of enjoyment to them. It is almost as religious experience. See you next year! Peace Mr7 | |
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We haven't MOANED about the album, it is not our fault that Prince is not writing at the level he once was at, or the fact that he goes for the charts, before going for being artistically adventurous. Not our fault Prince made another so-so album. Blame the little fuck. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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Let them moan. Hopefully they will get over their cases of Battered Princefan Syndrome and move on. I think it's unfortunate that a lot of people keep waiting for the next 1999 or Lovesexy or SOTT. It's not gonna happen because it's been done. | |
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jonylawson said: would you say it to prince's face?-your like umfoofoos "best"friend(remember raw?)
There r lots of things i'd telle him BEFORE, such as "thank u" & all. But if we had 2 talk about "3121" i'd say "u can do much better & u know it." the breadth and diversity of this artists last 5 years is unsurpassed(expectation to musicology-NEWS to 3121) I agree since emancipation weve had "free"prince triple disc followed by a 5 disc set-EIGHT cds-that got moaned about. I never moaned about "Emancipation" (best Prince album ever IMO) nor "Crystal Ball": i love both. we had rave-"commercial"prince-that got moaned about-then we had rave in2-moan moan- Well, OK, i moaned about this one but 4 the same reasons i moaned about "Musicology" & i moan about "3121": great bunch of pop songs, but a bit too commercial & soulless IMO. The war-moan moan R u kidding? "The War" is WONDERFUL, one of the greatest musical experient ever made by Prince, a masterpiece! I certainly never moaned! we had "underground experimental"prince-rainbow children,xenophobia,xpectation,NEWS-moaned about 
NEWS is 2nd best Prince album ever after "Emancipation" IMO, & i certainly didn't moan about all Xpectation which is greate! I moaned about "TRC" because IMO it was a bit "demonstrative" & empty, but the whole "new directions in music" jazz thing is what i'd like Prince 2 keep doing instead of pop albums! we had ANOTHER 4 discs this time a boxed set"one night alone"-soundchecks,aftershows -yes they got moaned about. 
then we got the dvd-that was some pedantic moaning-quality,length etc 
It was not my favorite tour but i didn't moan, i was glad it was released! NPG AUDIO-christ he even did 12 hours of radio with dozens of new songs-moaned about.
The whole year one of NPGMC was extraordinary 4 any serious fan, with an album lenght of songs each goddamn months. The live trax from the Ahdio shows were wonderful, i loved it & never moaned! MUSICOLOGY-a commercial and CRITICAL(whoooo not on this site tho)comeback-yet more moans
Yes i admit i moaned & i'll keep moaning. This being said i love these songs, but it was not a challenging album neither 4 Prince nor us listeners. ..and now 3121-a fresh,weird,poppy,funky offering-not EVEN offically releaed and all ive read is moan moan moan. :-as fans with prince we are so utterly spoilt Yes i do moan & it's exactly 4 the same reasons as "Musicology" the song"pearls before the swine"keeps ringing in my ears 
"Yeah, great song with great lyrics" if you want to reply with a negative dont bother ive read em all before
I agree, some people here hate Prince & his music so much that i wonder why they're even here. I suspect Metallica 2 hire people 2 come here & dis Prince. This being said, i'll listen 2 "3121" 100 times in the coming months & love it because it's gonna be great pop songs, but i'll moan anyway about it cuz i know how better Prince can be (& most of the time, IS). The[b] Peace | |
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jonylawson said: would you say it to prince's face?-your like umfoofoos "best"friend(remember raw?)
Of course I would. But he wouldn't like that because he surrounds himself with sychophants (don't believe me, listen to Kevin Smith talk about working with him) jonylawson said: since emancipation weve had "free"prince triple disc followed by a 5 disc set-EIGHT cds-that got moaned about. Quantity does not equal Quality jonylawson said: we had rave-"commercial"prince-that got moaned about-then we had rave in2-moan moan-
You call that commercial? In what universe?? jonylawson said: The war-moan moan
I agree with you here. The War was moan-worthy. jonylawson said: we had "underground experimental"prince-rainbow children,xenophobia,xpectation,NEWS-moaned about
NEWS was just awful. Xpectation was ok...Prince can't write jazz for shit though. Rainbow Children was good...would have been better without the ridiculous Bob George voices. jonylawson said: we had ANOTHER 4 discs this time a boxed set"one night alone"-soundchecks,aftershows -yes they got moaned about.
Not from me. jonylawson said: NPG AUDIO-christ he even did 12 hours of radio with dozens of new songs-moaned about.
Quantity does not equal Quality jonylawson said: MUSICOLOGY-a commercial and CRITICAL(whoooo not on this site tho)comeback-yet more moans
Without the concert-gimmick, Musicology would have been far from a commercial comeback. jonylawson said: ..and now 3121-a fresh,weird,poppy,funky offering-not EVEN offically releaed and all ive read is moan moan moan. :-as fans with prince we are so utterly spoilt
Far from fresh and far from weird. It's boring, poorly written pop music. And if other people's opinions of it get you ANGRY, then you need some serious help as that says a lot more about you than it says about anybody else. | |
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Criticism and Anger...
I'll wait til' the record comes out before I get angry or criticise. I won't buy it. I've been down that road too many times in the past 10 years and have been extremely let down. I have heard a lot of postitve chatter on the new record and I'm exited. I hope it's all true. We will see. | |
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alexandernevermind said: Without the concert-gimmick, Musicology would have been far from a commercial comeback.
I keep picking people up on this - Musicology went to #3 in the States before the concert giveaway even kicked in, and went onto sell a million 'genuine' copies. If that's not a commercial comeback for Prince, I don't know what is - it is like people who don't like this album don't want it to have been successful and ignore the facts. | |
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| i'm angry too!!!!! prince never even ASKED us what he should call the new album. i mean - 3121 ???!!!! please. how about a NICE album name like "sam" or "jonah" something catchy like that. but NOOOOO. he just slaps those numbers on his work and calls it a day | |
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metalorange said: alexandernevermind said: Without the concert-gimmick, Musicology would have been far from a commercial comeback.
I keep picking people up on this - Musicology went to #3 in the States before the concert giveaway even kicked in, and went onto sell a million 'genuine' copies. If that's not a commercial comeback for Prince, I don't know what is - it is like people who don't like this album don't want it to have been successful and ignore the facts. I totally agree with that. Some people here tried and still try hard to prove how much of a flop it was when as you basically said, it was a hit on it's own. Oh well. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Everyone is a critic. For the love of God just try and enjoy the album. If you don't like it put on an album you do like. Easy eh?
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BSK3601 said: Neversin said: And still your brain can't comprehend the logic of it... What's worse? The cunt bitch or the cunt bitch that bitches about the bitches? People bitched about "Purple Rain", there were people who bitched about "Around The World In A Day", there were people who bitched about "1999", there were people who bitched about "Sign 'O' The Times" etc. etc. etc... But anyway, every single Prince release got positive feedback AND negative feedback, so quit bitching about something that has always been and always will be... Neversin. [Edited 3/9/06 8:19am] I think that just about wraps up this thread... • Did you first think Prince was gay? •
Wendy: He’s a girl, for sure, but he’s not gay. He looked at me like a gay woman would look at another woman. Lisa: Totally. He’s like a fancy lesbian. | |
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can we close this thread now?
i badly spelt the headline anyway! | |
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NouveauDance said: JediMaster said: such an attitude is just as annoying as the die-hard "fam" who would declare an album of Prince making fart noises with his armpit to be a masterpiece.
See, now if 'The Human Body' had had a few more of those, it woulda been a masterpiece. I would have certainly preferred an album made up of armpit farts to most of NPS!
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who cares what other people have to say? how does it affect you? how does it affect prince? the album's still going to come out, and it'll be what it'll be. let people be negative nancies. obviously it relieves some kind of tension in their lives. or maybe they even really mean what they say. if you don't like negative comments, don't engage them by arguing. don't read it. you're just fanning the flames. or famming the flames, as it were. | |
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jonylawson said: would you say it to prince's face?-your like umfoofoos "best"friend(remember raw?)
its like having an eunach in a brothel-if 3121 doesnt do it for you then just quit and go back to purple rain.the breadth and diversity of this artists last 5 years is unsurpassed(expectation to musicology-NEWS to 3121) since emancipation weve had "free"prince triple disc followed by a 5 disc set-EIGHT cds-that got moaned about. we had rave-"commercial"prince-that got moaned about-then we had rave in2-moan moan- The war-moan moan we had "underground experimental"prince-rainbow children,xenophobia,xpectation,NEWS-moaned about
we had ANOTHER 4 discs this time a boxed set"one night alone"-soundchecks,aftershows -yes they got moaned about.
then we got the dvd-that was some pedantic moaning-quality,length etc
NPG AUDIO-christ he even did 12 hours of radio with dozens of new songs-moaned about.
MUSICOLOGY-a commercial and CRITICAL(whoooo not on this site tho)comeback-yet more moans
..and now 3121-a fresh,weird,poppy,funky offering-not EVEN offically releaed and all ive read is moan moan moan. :-as fans with prince we are so utterly spoilt the song"pearls before the swine"keeps ringing in my ears
if you want to reply with a negative dont bother ive read em all before I totally agree. I said something similar before (only about Musicology...but it had the same points). It truly does seem that some here will just never be happy until P remasters Sign o the Times and even then will complain that he should've cut Slow Love and replaced it with Crucial. One thing tho, Anx is right too...let'em be. | |
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If you really get angry because somebody is critical of music that you didn't write, you need some serious help.  | |
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wow thanks-you obviously read my post and the following replies
its always great to have insights like yours-mr.truefunksoldier. thanks again-please free to post any of those gems of wisdom in the future. | |
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I must say that I barely post on this site. I like the site because in general, if u like Prince u probably gel with other musical taste that I have. Which usually blend from alternative to jazz. I like to talk to folk who love to challenge their musical senses. That is why "I" stick around here. I like the updates. But on the real, a lot of folk complain and write really boring threads! I can't believe that some folk actually spend the "time" to think about such nonsense. It is has to be FAN-aticism. Prince is one of the few musicians that continues to put out product consistently. All of this talking about his personal life and decisions is utterly ridiculous. That is why so many are messed up who are in the industry. It's the constant critique that you go through. Imagine having people always looking for the "mistake" rather then the accomplishment? | |
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