would you say it to prince's face?-your like umfoofoos "best"friend(remember raw?)

its like having an eunach in a brothel-if 3121 doesnt do it for you then just quit and go back to purple rain.the breadth and diversity of this artists last 5 years is unsurpassed(expectation to musicology-NEWS to 3121)

since emancipation weve had "free"prince triple disc followed by a 5 disc set-EIGHT cds-that got moaned about.

we had rave-"commercial"prince-that got moaned about-then we had rave in2-moan moan-

The war-moan moan

we had "underground experimental"prince-rainbow children,xenophobia,xpectation,NEWS-moaned about

we had ANOTHER 4 discs this time a boxed set"one night alone"-soundchecks,aftershows -yes they got moaned about.

then we got the dvd-that was some pedantic moaning-quality,length etc

NPG AUDIO-christ he even did 12 hours of radio with dozens of new songs-moaned about.
MUSICOLOGY-a commercial and CRITICAL(whoooo not on this site tho)comeback-yet more moans

..and now 3121-a fresh,weird,poppy,funky offering-not EVEN offically releaed and all ive read is moan moan moan. :-as fans with prince we are so utterly spoilt

the song"pearls before the swine"keeps ringing in my ears

if you want to reply with a negative dont bother ive read em all before

Excellent post...absolutely right u are

Yoda

prince has a very diverse fanbase
even if only 10% of 'em complained, it'd still seem like a lot

3121 makes me very happy, but some had different expectations
personally i'd like to see A LOT more songs like "Love" & "The Word"
kinda like 1999 meets Lovesexy
but i know a whole lotta other people wouldn't

we do what we gotta do to please more than a few
but no matter what, it'll never be enuff
not with this many fans
and this wide a palette

can you imagine being 48 in ANY walk of life and getting asked to repeat what you did when you were 23???!!!!

jonylawson said:

maybe that's why lolita can't make a cheatah outta him

Mad respect to you. I said the same thing about saying it to his face about a month ago, but nobody seemed to want to hear it then. But it's still so true.

it must be a bloke thing-if someone was calling me non stop id belt im one!!!
half of these peeps are the ones who run to the front row and creep the bloke out!

I'm not criticising 3121, there's nothing on there that I don't like.

jonylawson said:

PANDURITO said:

OMG...cheers for the eurythmics info. i just ordered it! off topic i know, sorry

Way more people seem to at least "like" it. There are very few that loathe it. Why worry baout them?

What Snap said is spot on the mark.

sad....

If you pay close attention, you'll notice that it's usually the same people complaining again and again, repeating their whinings over and over again.. i think they actually make up a small percentage of P's fandom.. well they may be litle, but they're loud..
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Made a similar point but it got shunted to the outer limits! See the link below.






[http://www.prince.org/msg/3/180152

You're angry? I've been tired of the whining and complaining for years lol. Some of these folks are hyper-critical. I swear its like these folks feel they are the genius an Prince is some sort of extension of there desires. Like a puppet that won't move right sometimes.

It kills me how often I read the words 'cringe' and 'embarrassed' in reference to Prince. Or how this or that song is one I'll be skipping. Maybe I'm old school (from the vinyl days) but we didn't spend so much time skipping to the "good" songs. When you let a CD just play you may find years down the road the beauty of something u originally thought was "bad" or just ok. Plus u appreciate the high points more when there are low and medium ones too.

I guess with this instant gratification era and the stripping of songs just for their best parts (i.e. sampling) people have gotten used to only having the most intense experience. What happened to subtlety? That's why so many can overlook something as beautiful has TAC. They are so intent on being blown out of the water that they can't hear it. It doesn't give them the rush they desire.

tricky99 said:

wow you nailed it perfectly.. Actually i'm glad P isn't totally giving in to the 1,2 seconds attention-span generation.. Indeed there's a lot to be enjoyed in TAC, even more in the dance perhaps, which has to be rated among the best stuff he's ever put out

I'm sure that people will start appreciating 3121 a lot more as time passes by, if they can get to giving it half a chance..

I think as much as there are criticisms on here, there are people raving about it, it just depends on what you want to focus on. You don't really get threads with the title, "this love you have for 3121 - I'm getting angry!' but it would be just as valid, everyone is entitled to their opinions and not even Prince is above criticism. No, I probably wouldn't say it to his face, but then I probably wouldn't even tell my best mate his breath smells either...

Gauging whether an album is 'good' or not is a difficult proposition. If you asked someone on the street whether they expected Prince fans to like the new Prince album, their response would likely be, 'Well, yeah, they're fans, aren't they?!' but in fact, as seen on here, the opinions vary hugely and criticisms can be scathing.

Here's an analogy: ask someone if they liked a particular painting, they might say, 'Yes. It's got pretty colours'. Ask someone who has some background knowledge, they might expound on the history of the artist, themes they can see in the painting from previous work, put it in the context of his body of work. That to me would be a far more valid and worthy critique, looking beyond the immediate surface imagery. And that is what fans on here do - they basically use 'comparitive analysis', putting this album in the context of all the others, plus plain just saying whether they enjoy it or not. All that adds upto quite a balanced set of reviews, in my opinion. There's no way Prince can please all the people all the time, but if he pleases you, then why should someone else critiquing him effect your opinions? And why is it important to frown on theirs?
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Payt said:

Thanks. What I love about Prince is that every new release forces me to go back to the previous release and listen to it differently. It seems rare on this site but I seem to find the genius of Prince on most songs. I can't stand "We gets up" most of time, but still I listen intently and hear all the ideas that are there. It's Prince's musical intelligence that I find so compelling. It is not isolated to any singular song type or genre. It's not isolated to a particular use of instrumentation or song structure. And it isn't isolated in a certain vocal style. It's Prince desire and ambition to search hi and low for difference that make's him so damn special. I mean the lil MF wouldn't even let hip-hop happen without getting a piece of it. Ambitious.

Personally, its not the differences in opinion that bother me the most, its the negatively in the language used in some posts. P fucked up this...fucked up that. As if they could do better. Just except the art and the artist for what they are and enjoy the overall picture. If P released 20 sumthin albums that sounded like Purple Rain u'd still b complaining. How many artists of his statue (and I don't mean height) who have been around that long are still trying to push the envelope. Probably could count them on one hand. Wake up and smell the purple roses!

you can make up your mind to unconditionally love everything that Prince does if you want to. I haven't heard 3121 yet. But, if I don't like it so what?

I haven't liked a single thing Prince has done for the last decade. who cares how MUCH music he puts out if it all stinks? People have been fussing about that for years.

ah nevermind that though. The people that have heard 3121 have given both good and bad reviews. most of the opinions i've read about the album have been good.

go ahead and have your Prince pity party if you need it. just know that he ain't never lost any sleep over duping you into pay big bucks for shitty ditties since '96, though.


i've decided i will buy 3121. i promise. a legitimate purchase, with a sales receipt and everything. it will be the first time since Rave that i have paid actual money for Prince's music..and imma tell you this, i work damn hard for MY money and if I don't like it, I'm coming to the org and raising hell. i betta like this shit. i
swear. or it will be the final time i pay for Prince's music.

I've noticed people tend to follow in many posts. Complete threads with 30-40 posts either completely positive or negative about TRC or 3121 etc!!

When 3121 leaked and people were posting about it, I found it strange, personally I have to listen to new music a few times if not a few weeks to see how it grows on me. I don't come on here as much because some get over analytical about the new stuff, I like to enjoy the music and not listen to it comparing it like its a painting. I just wanna have fun!

For the record, I don't unconditionally love everything P does. Interesting critisism for someone who says, "I haven't liked a single thing Prince has done for the last decade" (my advice - save ur money, sounds like the P u like lived only in the 80s). Neither do I feel that P has ever "duped" me, no matter what I think of his albums. He doen't owe me anything. I pay my money to be entertained by an artist, not a court jester who should loose his head if he displeases me. As for "shitty ditties since '96", many of these ditties are among my faves. If people don't like them I can respect that, as long as they get off their high horses before giving their opinion.

POSITIVITY YALL!!!!!

well said bennet!!

I'd gladly criticise it to his face if he were open to it. My views wouldn't be wholly critical and I wouldn't pan the album as a whole, but I can find fault in most of the tracks from the new album. It's not a perfect album and never could be. I'm sure I'd find many things to praise also.

and you would sound like a complete fool

thats like a food critic who cant cook,a footballers whos never played football etc

you do have to be careful in taking the critical route-why dont you make an album how you want-download that and we'll all take a listen then mebbes you can start to disconstruct 3121

just for the record whats wrong with the title track?

jonylawson said:

And still your brain can't comprehend the logic of it...
What's worse? The cunt bitch or the cunt bitch that bitches about the bitches?
People bitched about "Purple Rain", there were people who bitched about "Around The World In A Day", there were people who bitched about "1999", there were people who bitched about "Sign 'O' The Times" etc. etc. etc...
But anyway, every single Prince release got positive feedback AND negative feedback, so quit bitching about something that has always been and always will be...

Neversin.
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Payt said:

Wow, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. Those people will never like anything new that Prince does.

Neversin said:

I think that just about wraps up this thread...

tricky99 said:

Right on the money!