As most of you probably did i downloaded the songs from 3121, which has leaked on the internet.

I must say that, after readubg positive reviews in here, those songs dont really thrill me. It seems like Prince shows a bit more guts, then on the safe-playing, mediocre musicology album. With that i mean: bringing the 'camille'-voice back, trying out minimalistic rhythems like Pharrel and Missy Elliot (who, in their turn, where of course Prince-influenced themselves) and trying to at least 'produce' his music (the arrangement of Te Amo Corazon is a big step forward from lets say, the shallow mud called A million days). On the other hand, this lyrics of this record and the underlying vision sound as shallow as a plate, theres no depth, there arent things that really provoke you, it hasnt substiantly more to say then lets say Justin Timberlake or the Black Eyed Peas material...

Not to say that Prince was a Dylan in the past, but his eighties output at least sounded as a man searching his soul, his possibilities, his drives. That sort of depth (combined with the music of course) lead to original, eclectic, catchy music you could dive deeper into in the eighties. Since the Gold Experience my main complaint about Prince is that not only his music is missing focus, but also his lyrics and the visions that shine trough in both music and lyrics.

3121 'might' sound better then musicology on first listen, but again its about calculated FORM to me, not about SUBSTANCE. So, in a short way, Prince isnt touching my heart and soul with his new record, yet another ***-star album i say at this moment..... shame on you, Prince, you can do WAY better!

Riverpoet31 said:

I know he'll never read it, but I wish he did.

When are yall going to stop comparing his new stuff with the 80's?

Riverpoet31 said:

Shallow and no substance, huh? People often recognize in others the things that are true about themselves. Maybe that's the problem with everyone who thinks Prince's latest music is like this. But why must everyone else suffer at the expense of such comments as this?

Diamondgirl, i dont know how old you are, but maybe when you grow a bit older (like me, i am 32 now) you tend to look for a bit more depth, nuances and subtleties in music (and not only in music, in all aspects of life i think),

Thats what i am missing from Prince since the early - mid-nineties, he doesnt seem to grow to me as a person, or at least he doesnt seem willing and able to express his own personal thoughts and feelings in the music, as he (indeed) seemed to do in the eighties. That makes it sometimes very hard to listen to his newer music in my opinion.

I personally love music which i can connect to on a deeper level, which touches both my mind and senses. In some way Prince doesnt touch me as deep as he did in the eighties. In some ways, that might be the result of his new music, but maybe it also has to do with me changing as a person. I mean, i was in my late teens when i became a big Prince fan, i am a bit older now, and maybe i am looking for other things in music then back then.

Im yours, how can a person 'suffer' from a personal view expressed on a forum?

I would keep the personal attacks to a minimum and address the content of his/her criticism if I were you, that way more people will be willing to give their honest opinion of what they think of Prince's music, old or new, good or bad, without fear of the inane cheap shot.
We should be appreciative of their input, regardless of whether we agree with it or not.
I think even Prince would agree with that! lol

Thats why i am saying what i did. I mean, i am expressing what i feel when i listen to this new songs,but how the hell can one say that as a result of that 'everyone else' will suffer from that? I mean, i only speak for myselve, but their are probably people who know what 'everyone else' thinks or feels....

frowns....lol

Riverpoet31 said:

Where can I listen or read what YOU have done ? Try to express the substance you're looking for in Prince's music and fill it in your own creation. And good luck. Or name someone who has got it. I'll be glad to see that. Please mods, don't tell me other hundreds of complaining ppl will show of when 3121 is released !!!


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frowns....considers himselve a (former?) Prince-fan, a follower of the mans music, critical, entitled to his own opinions..

Doesnt really understand Prince-fams, the ones who cannot stand criticism, who think everything should be 'shiny and happy'... well, Prince isnt, and Life isnt either.. lol

I thought we were sick of the depth after the piano album, the religious album, and the acoutic guitar album.....

ufoclub, thats FORM not DEPTH.....

Okay.

But don't forget some ppl here really like his music, and what he is, and that's why I am here.

What I heard from 3121 is good.

An album is like a (good) book : you can read it several time and always catch something new. Prince's songs do that to me.

I meant the lyrics!

Riverpoet31 said:

Riverpoet31 said:

I kind of agree with you to a point, 3121 has some great catchy pop music but there's not much depth or deep subject matter. However, I can't agree with that has been missing since TGE, Prince's main drive (religion) filled The Rainbow Children whether you liked it or not, and even Musicology has thought-provoking songs like Cinnamon Girl and Dr. Mr Man, and personal songs like Reflection.

When Prince lets his passions out on records, such as religion, most fans moan about it! It only seems acceptable when he is talking about sex. This album he seems to have carefully avoided any controversy, now you could argue that is because he wants a commercial hit, but you could just argue that he decided there was absolutely nothing wrong in a funky dance/pop album that the majority could enjoy.

Riverpoet31 said:

idea's? is that some new language?

shayde said:

There was no personal attack. I don't know this guy. But to me Prince is a genius, even if there is some songs I don't like. I'd rather focus on the good ones. But saying : '3121, some nice idea's, lacking depth and substance' is arrogant, except if you're a great artist yourself.

well, metalorange, maybe i am asking too much from Prince then....but in my opinion, an almost 50 year old person shouldnt be so stupid to preach
JW-dogma's (the Rainbow Children), or so bland to right lyrics as for the song 'lolita'.....its all a bit annoying, so-so.....

I am no musician, virginie, but from a musician i ask for more then chewing on worn-out idea's.....

As someone said before, some fams love that. I do. I like the spiritual part of his songs, and I'm a jew, not JW.

well, i am a person, expressing my views....

same here.

oh give me a break....


sometimes its good to just groove and not think all deep and shit...


Its a fun cd. didn't he think "deeply" with cinnabon girl and dear mr dude. Thank goodness throughout the years he can mix the fun with the "deep" stuff.

get the stick out ya ass and DANCE


lets HAVE FUN!!

so, why you state you are jewish?

Riverpoet31 said:

For a supposed deep thinker, it's funny that you look for intellectualism in Prince music.

Cuz you were talking about JW. I dig what Prince sings about religion even if it's not mine.



"well, metalorange, maybe i am asking too much from Prince then....but in my opinion, an almost 50 year old person shouldnt be so stupid to preach
JW-dogma's (the Rainbow Children), or so bland to right lyrics as for the song 'lolita'.....its all a bit annoying, so-so...."

Riverpoet31 said:

I think you are contradicting yourself. You basically say you wish Prince would inject some passion and depth into his music, and when I point out Prince's passion in recent years has been religion, you say he shouldn't inject it in.

I don't think the problem you have is with Prince lacking depth in his songs, it is simply that you don't personally like the themes he chooses to vouch forth on. A lot of his songs have continued to have depth - just not with subjects you're personally interested in. It's not okay for a 50 year old to preach about religion but it is okay for them to preach about sex, say?!

Rhondab said:

I couldn't agree with you more! Why does everything have to be deeply profound to be good? Maybe he just wants to make us smile and dance. Go listen to a Kate Bush CD if you want depth!

Come on.....does Prince sound REALY passionated on the rainbow children? I hear someone looking for fake-security....

Youre right, i am allergic to people talking dogmatic... But, in the eighties Princes seemed more playfull, open about this subjects..I am just not looking for someone who's ramming dogma's down my throat, like Prince did on The rainbow children... Again, thats a personal view, subtle (and therefore deeply touching) spirituality can really touch me.... but people presenting religion or spiritually in a dictatorship way are totally useless.....