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Reply #510 posted 03/11/06 1:07pm

LillianLaughs

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I love the warm sounds of the drums and the bass, the humor, the tasteful way to sound pretty much like 2006 but also like Prince (especially Incence & Candles), the fun, the not-too-polishedness, the very human feel and as always the musical genius in general!

Together with The Rainbow Children, it's the best since LoveSexy I think.
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Reply #511 posted 03/11/06 1:21pm

Byron

Ok, this is weird...I couldn't see LillianLaughs' post until I clicked the "Reply" link... eek
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Reply #512 posted 03/11/06 2:11pm

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Byron said:

Aerogram said:



It's the whole "sex as danger/female semi-predator" angle (Billie Jean, Diana, etc.).

As for the comparison, it's as if all the talk to the intense rivalry was true and that Prince decided that after the trial and exile to Dubai, this was his chance to take over the position of lead falsetto of Pop.

Even beyond the similar themes I can hear a musical similarity (or maybe I can just easily imagine MJ singing it, just without the cool attitude)...


Correct. Both Love and Lolita could easily have been written for MJ.
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Reply #513 posted 03/11/06 3:00pm

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Damn, you guys (and gals) are making it extremely difficult for me to wait for the official release from the wrecka stowe. cool

Musicology had its moments, but it just felt so lifeless for the most part. I'm glad to hear that 3121 actually has a little spark and life to it.

Oh, and I kinda figured that TAC would make more sense in the context of the record - Judging from the track descriptions around it, TAC seems well sequenced.
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Reply #514 posted 03/11/06 3:38pm

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Yeah, I guess Musicology was decent. It was a good step forward in that it showed he could still make a coherent pop album and avoid his more recent pitfalls like overproducing, using unnecessary guest rappers, etc.

3121 takes that sensibility and adds daring ambition, like Prince found his confidence again.
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Reply #515 posted 03/11/06 4:33pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Yeah, I guess Musicology was decent. It was a good step forward in that it showed he could still make a coherent pop album and avoid his more recent pitfalls like overproducing, using unnecessary guest rappers, etc.

3121 takes that sensibility and adds daring ambition, like Prince found his confidence again.


Now don't get all bent out of shape, but how does it display daring ambition? I'd say it's the safest record he's ever made. Get on The Boat is a retread of JB, Lolita is a cheesy stop and go synth tune trying it's best to sound like Soft and Wet, Fury lacks the 'daring' guitar playing that we saw on SNL, Incense and Candles is a clear attempt to make a pop tune for today's market, Satisfied as has been said by others is On The Couch Pt II, and the title track is akin to his Camille work; I don't hear anything that's daring or ambitious, personally.
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Reply #516 posted 03/11/06 4:41pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Yeah, I guess Musicology was decent. It was a good step forward in that it showed he could still make a coherent pop album and avoid his more recent pitfalls like overproducing, using unnecessary guest rappers, etc.

3121 takes that sensibility and adds daring ambition, like Prince found his confidence again.


Now don't get all bent out of shape, but how does it display daring ambition? I'd say it's the safest record he's ever made. Get on The Boat is a retread of JB, Lolita is a cheesy stop and go synth tune trying it's best to sound like Soft and Wet, Fury lacks the 'daring' guitar playing that we saw on SNL, Incense and Candles is a clear attempt to make a pop tune for today's market, Satisfied as has been said by others is On The Couch Pt II, and the title track is akin to his Camille work; I don't hear anything that's daring or ambitious, personally.



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Reply #517 posted 03/11/06 4:41pm

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Lolita is a cheesy stop and go synth tune trying it's best to sound like Soft and Wet

Isn't that was Soft & Wet was to begin with...cheesy stop-n-go synth pop?
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Reply #518 posted 03/11/06 4:42pm

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It's nothing groundbreaking for him, but the songs have inspired hooks and are full of spirit.
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Reply #519 posted 03/11/06 4:44pm

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Byron said:

Wall said:

Lolita is a cheesy stop and go synth tune trying it's best to sound like Soft and Wet

Isn't that was Soft & Wet was to begin with...cheesy stop-n-go synth pop?



Sure, but that's my question -- how is retreading an old idea daring or ambitious? It seems to me more like a B- version of Soft and Wet, replaced with some corny lyrics.
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Reply #520 posted 03/11/06 4:45pm

Wall

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PurpleKnight said:

It's nothing groundbreaking for him, but the songs have inspired hooks and are full of spirit.


Okay, I guess I can agree on that. Prince can write a hook and I'm sure he wasn't trying to make a clunker, which obviously, is up for debate.
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Reply #521 posted 03/11/06 4:48pm

Byron

Wall said:

Byron said:


Isn't that was Soft & Wet was to begin with...cheesy stop-n-go synth pop?



Sure, but that's my question -- how is retreading an old idea daring or ambitious? It seems to me more like a B- version of Soft and Wet, replaced with some corny lyrics.

Yeah, but waiting 25 years to repeat the formula is ok in my mind...lol...unlike a lot of other artists who would repeat the formula on their very next album simply because the original was a hit.
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Reply #522 posted 03/11/06 4:53pm

Wall

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Wall said:




Sure, but that's my question -- how is retreading an old idea daring or ambitious? It seems to me more like a B- version of Soft and Wet, replaced with some corny lyrics.

Yeah, but waiting 25 years to repeat the formula is ok in my mind...lol...unlike a lot of other artists who would repeat the formula on their very next album simply because the original was a hit.


True enough. Not to say Prince isn't in a JB rut, though I guess none of them have been hits. Prettyman, The Work, Musicology, Get on the Boat...
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Reply #523 posted 03/11/06 5:03pm

Byron

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Byron said:


Yeah, but waiting 25 years to repeat the formula is ok in my mind...lol...unlike a lot of other artists who would repeat the formula on their very next album simply because the original was a hit.


True enough. Not to say Prince isn't in a JB rut, though I guess none of them have been hits. Prettyman, The Work, Musicology, Get on the Boat...

Going back to my post, I just thought of this:

Baby, I'm A Star = America (on the very next album, yet) = Trust

Guess even during his heyday Prince repeated certain song formulas...

And yeah, he's in a JB mode for...seven years...lol eek


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Reply #524 posted 03/11/06 5:06pm

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I'm fine with an artist with a back catalogue like Prince's recording new songs that bear a resemblance to past ones.

It's only natural. If every song were to sound totally new, he'd end up having to do shit like recording a song that just uses the spoons.
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Reply #525 posted 03/11/06 5:07pm

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PurpleKnight said:

I'm fine with an artist with a back catalogue like Prince's recording new songs that bear a resemblance to past ones.

It's only natural. If every song were to sound totally new, he'd end up having to do shit like recording a song that just uses the spoons.

I'm waiting on that all-kazoo album, personally... nod
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Reply #526 posted 03/11/06 5:25pm

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PurpleKnight said:

I'm fine with an artist with a back catalogue like Prince's recording new songs that bear a resemblance to past ones.

It's only natural. If every song were to sound totally new, he'd end up having to do shit like recording a song that just uses the spoons.


But it certainly would qualify as both daring and ambitious.
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Reply #527 posted 03/11/06 7:38pm

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Byron said:

Baby, I'm A Star = America (on the very next album, yet) = Trust



...and let's not forget Purple Rain = The Ladder
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Reply #528 posted 03/11/06 8:13pm

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I just played the album for an old-school fan who's not been a pretty selective fan of the last decade's stuff and a really casual fan, who likes only the old stuff. They both hated it, and agreed Black Sweat was pretty much the only thing on it they liked (though they liked that a lot). It was hard to argue. The more I listen, the more I feel like it's his weakest since Rave, and only a little better. There's just something so absent sounding in this album. We put on One Night Alone and they were both like, what the hell is this, this is great!
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Reply #529 posted 03/11/06 8:30pm

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I just played the album for an old-school fan who's not been a pretty selective fan of the last decade's stuff and a really casual fan, who likes only the old stuff. They both hated it, and agreed Black Sweat was pretty much the only thing on it they liked (though they liked that a lot). It was hard to argue. The more I listen, the more I feel like it's his weakest since Rave, and only a little better. There's just something so absent sounding in this album. We put on One Night Alone and they were both like, what the hell is this, this is great!

What's interesting (kinda lol) is that the overwhelming majority of people either really love practically all the songs on the CD, or hate pretty much every song on the CD...and the ones who love the CD and play it for their friends always report back that their friends dig it, too..and the ones who hate the CD and play it for their friends always report back that their friends hate it, too... lol

I'm waiting for the one Orger who hates the CD yet reports back that they played it for their friend and they all loved it...lol (or vise versa)
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Reply #530 posted 03/11/06 9:07pm

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I'm waiting for the one Orger who hates the CD yet reports back that they played it for their friend and they all loved it...lol (or vise versa)



(raises hand) That's me!

I pretty much love 90% of the CD but my boyfriend hates it, so far. I think he's disappointed there's no Call My Name 2 or Life O' The Party 2 on this one. lol
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Reply #531 posted 03/12/06 5:35am

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Another useless Prince album, all the songs reminds me of other tracks he did in the past. Nothing is really bad, it's just totally uninspired. Hard to say he doesn't belong to the "Hasbeen 80's artist" category now (plenty of nice people there though). Well, at least he can still make decent shows, the very last place where i'd spend money for Prince.
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Reply #532 posted 03/12/06 10:51am

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Y'know, Satisfied really is a good song. He probably burned us out on it with On the Couch, but I think time will be kind to it.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #533 posted 03/12/06 11:37am

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ChimChimBadass said:

Another useless Prince album, all the songs reminds me of other tracks he did in the past. Nothing is really bad, it's just totally uninspired. Hard to say he doesn't belong to the "Hasbeen 80's artist" category now (plenty of nice people there though). Well, at least he can still make decent shows, the very last place where i'd spend money for Prince.

Don't tell me...you played it for all your friends and they hate it, too...lol smile
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Reply #534 posted 03/12/06 12:26pm

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...join me under the waterfalll, climb the rainbow tree.

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I swear that's what I want to sing.



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Reply #535 posted 03/12/06 1:52pm

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Okay, I FINALLY listened to all the songs. Not that my opinion matters to anyone, but here it is anyway. biggrin

I think it's a solid album, I would rank it above average in the context of his whole catalogue. Last week I listened to 3121, Love, Get on the Boat, The Word and thought it was pretty good. This afternoon I listened to the whole thing from beginning to end and was kinda disappointed. But then I kept listening to it and it is definitely growing on me. After hearing Black Sweat and reading Listening Party reviews I have to be honest, I expected a bit more funk and wish there was more, but I really like Get on the Boat (go Sheila!!), The Word and Love. TAC, Incense & Candles, and The Dance I will probably skip. (Why did he put The Dance on this album, too?! He should not be allowed to recycle songs unless they are previously unreleased! smile ) Lolita is definitely cheesy, it's better than the 3 I just mentioned, but I'm not really feelin' it so far. I generally dislike Prince's slow, sappy, ballads, but I really like Satisfied.

I think it will receive more play from me than Musicology (which I rarely listen to) but so far it's nowhere near the being one of the albums I listen to almost every few days.

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Reply #536 posted 03/12/06 2:03pm

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Do Purple Knight and Byron always post in pairs?
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Reply #537 posted 03/12/06 3:00pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Yeah, I guess Musicology was decent. It was a good step forward in that it showed he could still make a coherent pop album and avoid his more recent pitfalls like overproducing, using unnecessary guest rappers, etc.

3121 takes that sensibility and adds daring ambition, like Prince found his confidence again.


Now don't get all bent out of shape, but how does it display daring ambition? I'd say it's the safest record he's ever made. Get on The Boat is a retread of JB, Lolita is a cheesy stop and go synth tune trying it's best to sound like Soft and Wet, Fury lacks the 'daring' guitar playing that we saw on SNL, Incense and Candles is a clear attempt to make a pop tune for today's market, Satisfied as has been said by others is On The Couch Pt II, and the title track is akin to his Camille work; I don't hear anything that's daring or ambitious, personally.


For the most part, 3121 is not daring or ambitious (The only track goes that route is "The Dance"...) But 3121 is a fun album that actually shows that the midget has a pulse...That's what I dig about it...But all this talk of "Get On The Boat" sounding like JB is quite lazy...This song is more Stevie Wonder than anything else...The Latin flourishes...aint nothing JB about that...I swear, whenever some of the Org cats here Prince do something funky with live instruments, you automatically scream "James Brown clone!!!" Come on guys, listen to the song first and then make an informed opinion...But let's stop with the sheep shit...

As for 3121, there are some songs I'll be able to play on here longer than anything on The Rainbow Children (great musicianship, but somewhat annoying) or Musicology (Too much, "remember the good old days vibes...)...As a whole 3121 does the job...
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Reply #538 posted 03/12/06 4:25pm

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Do Purple Knight and Byron always post in pairs?

Do you always follow our posts??... hmmm
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Reply #539 posted 03/12/06 4:27pm

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Do we post in pairs? No. Absolutely not.
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