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PrintableNPD313 said: Everybody aint been no dj!
If they were...then please forgive me lawd, but not everyone is good at it! Its not that easy of a job! I take risks and thats why I'm good at what I do. Thats why Prince is good at what he does, thats why Howard Stern is good at what he does, thats why david chappelle is good at what he does! So being a risk taker and dj can benefit sometimes! Just ask MOJO and the folx in detroit who listened to him! Peace Exactly. Why does everything have to flow? Why can't there be a song on the floor that shifts the tone of the floor radically and abruptly? | |
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Im not sure many understand dj culture. Yes, dj-ing is an art. It takes some semblance of skill/knowledge on what moves, grooves, soothes, or snooozes a crowd. And to know what vibe is happening and how to change a vibe as well. And not every dj set is akin to a wedding reception where requests by a myriad of part goers is made. In a club setting its much different and its very unorthodox to play a record twice in one night no matter who it is. As mentioned, the only Ive ever heard played twice was Hypnotize back in 96. And it's deemed disrespectful for a line of requests to be made ( play this! do u havbe this one/!). Bugging a dj is one sure way to make sure your requests gets lost. Just ask them and leave. We all love Prince, but BS may not have been the be all to end all. | |
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We need a remix  | |
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christos7 said: We need a remix
It would be interesting to hear a remix of BS. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I’m yours said “I’m Hey, Mr. DJ - your job is not to play what you want - IT'S TO PLAY WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT! Get over yourself!”
If all dj’s did that we would have to go out to wedding disco’s every week! What’s the point of dj’s then? Just have a jukebox. It’s cheaper; you can hear all your favourite hits. There are all different kinds of dj’s, all we do is play other peoples records but I try & set a mood, groove, feeling etc, just like musicians. That’s my style of djing. I do play prince, (I Wanna Be Your Lover, Sexy Dancer, Erotic City etc) on the old occasion & I’m a huge prince fan but I very rarely play prince & the new single I don’t think is a floor filler. (Even though prince is promoting it as a dance/Dj friendly track) but a remix would make all the difference. Dj’s & musicians can both be artist’s or Cheese. |
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I DJ at a bar in Detroit, and i agree with my fellow DJ's. The main problem is you assume because YOU wanted to hear "Black Sweat", that EVERYONE wanted to hear it.
Most GOOD dj's, pay very close attention to their crowds. It's a very very delicate balance starting off the night and getting the crowd to where they're in the mood to hit the dance floor, and then it's your job to make sure that they don't leave it. It depends on the club but for the most part, unless the club is cheesy you shouldn't request any songs from the dj. Let the dj do his/her thing. You want to hear the songs you want to hear all night, go to a bar with a jukebox and make sure you got plenty of singles. And for the record, i'm a huge Prince fan so usually there's a couple of songs that make it in my set (last night, Lady Cab Driver, 1+1+1=3) but the one time i played "Black Sweat" the response was lukewarm at best. So unless i'm doing a Prince night, i don't think it'll be making in my sets anytime soon. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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I didn't assume anyone wanted to hear Black Sweat.
I asked for it, cause I wanted to hear it! Just like everyone else requests the songs they want to hear! I am a DJ also and lukewarm response to a song that doesn't get play means...you have to make it familar. This whole system is so fucked up now, its a system designed to make certain artist fail! If Prince did a song with some well known rapper and it had an amazing beat and still didn't sound like anything else on this planet. People still wouldn't play it, because its Prince! You have a method of always changing up the dynamics of sound in a club. I have heard so many djs switch shyt up and it wasn't a problem. I believe to be a good dj that everyone respects, you take a chance and not saying throw on some sinatra or country music...but while your spinning Laffy Taffy and Ms. New Booty...and then you throw in some Cold blooded by rick james, you can damn well throw in some Black Sweat by Prince. He was all over the board with music and I believe most ppl who are dj's now are not trying to play a new jam by prince that can stand up to most of the bullshyt on radio now. People are afraid! I'm done with this post, because ppl have ignored my point of this entire post. I don't care what others want to hear, i requested the song because I thought he played music that he could have very well thrown in the mix (black sweat). | |
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NPD313 said: I didn't assume anyone wanted to hear Black Sweat.
I asked for it, cause I wanted to hear it! Just like everyone else requests the songs they want to hear! I am a DJ also and lukewarm response to a song that doesn't get play means...you have to make it familar. This whole system is so fucked up now, its a system designed to make certain artist fail! If Prince did a song with some well known rapper and it had an amazing beat and still didn't sound like anything else on this planet. People still wouldn't play it, because its Prince! You have a method of always changing up the dynamics of sound in a club. I have heard so many djs switch shyt up and it wasn't a problem. I believe to be a good dj that everyone respects, you take a chance and not saying throw on some sinatra or country music...but while your spinning Laffy Taffy and Ms. New Booty...and then you throw in some Cold blooded by rick james, you can damn well throw in some Black Sweat by Prince. He was all over the board with music and I believe most ppl who are dj's now are not trying to play a new jam by prince that can stand up to most of the bullshyt on radio now. People are afraid! I'm done with this post, because ppl have ignored my point of this entire post. I don't care what others want to hear, i requested the song because I thought he played music that he could have very well thrown in the mix (black sweat). Basically you're upset because the dj didnt listen to your diatribe and play it TWICE even though he played it. I can imagine how you came off that night ranting about how the club wasn't full of patrons, please give Prince another chance etc. No wonder he didn't play it again. | |
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Diamond Girl. LOL
No one was arguing. He said something, I said something! We (the dj and I) both had a decent convo! I'm just saying he could have played the song. Dj play songs at 9 or 10p and play them again around 1am. Simply because most folx come to clubs around 12midnight in detroit! So its not a big deal lol PEACE everyone | |
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Fortunately for me,one of my closest friends is a DJ at a popular nightclub that I go to.So,he will play whatever I tell him to (lol).When Madonna's 'Confessions On A Dancefloor' CD was released,I wanted to hear it played loud in a nightclub setting,so I asked him to play the entire CD from beginning to end,and he did! I'll ask him to play Prince's latest CD too.He has the 12" of "Black Sweat" on vinyl,but I don't know if he has played it yet.There is no reason why this song should not be played in clubs. | |
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sthoudek said: I think sometimes DJ's need to take a risk. That might be the problem more these days in that they want to play it safe. Good thing most of these DJ's weren't playing back in the late 70's. I think it's a DJ's duty to educate the audience. Sure the newer artists need to be played. But so do the older ones. Sure "Black Sweat" is different, but so is any Prince song from other singers. A good DJ would find a way to fit "Black Sweat" in the mix. How can a song be hot if it isn't played? I really do think that some songs are played because the singer is the
flavor of the month". I agree! If they're not gonna take risks,many of these club DJS may as well work for ClearChannel and stick with the "flavor-of-the-month" artists.There is no reason why "Black Sweat" shouldn't be played. | |
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ontheonevegas said: NPD313 said: Ok, so I'm at a club in downtown detroit!
Apparently he played the song before 12 midnight when the club was half full. When I arrived it was 12:40am, the club was packed and the dj was asked to play "Black Sweat" by Prince. Of course he had a smirk on his face and said ok, but then I questioned that smirk. I said, your not gonna play are you? he replied, I will, but I already did, so I will close the night out with the song. At 2:02am the lights came on and Prince wasn't played (just as I thought). So I approached the DJ and said "we need to talk" and he replied, I just couldn't play it, it didn't fit into anything I was spinnin at that time and besides I don't want to stop everything I'm doing to play something totally different. So I didn't have the chance. I asked him if he liked the song and he said he wasn't to into the song and he just don't think it'll be something he'll play on a regular unless tons of people request it. I made a point to tell him that if ppl don't hear it, they won't request it and I also told him about radio and how they are afraid to break new music. I also told him how much of a genius prince is and that he's been in the business for years and has had many radio hits, million records sold, and top tours, not to mention that the charts have him at #1 for the hot 100 singles sales. I also, told him that I am a Dj and he should be able to put "Black Sweat" in the mix without any problems because Prince's single is just as good as anything else he played. He then called someone over and tried to make a point by asking the guy -"How many songs do you send me?" and the guy replied..."about 5 this week and so far you've only played 1 of the songs, because the dj hated 4 of them and refused to play them. He said, that thou the song may be hot and on mtv, he doesn't think his crowd would dance to it and be critical. But were talking about a dj that plays...everything from hip hop/r&b/ old school and some pop songs. I mentioned to him, that the club is mostly black and yet he still managed to play Gwen Stefani's Rich Girls & Holla Back Girl. But he thought it would be difficult to play Prince a black artist, who is often seen on BET,MTV AND VH1! I also told him about Musicology and the fact that he didn't play anything from it and it was #3 when it debuted and now he's got 3121 and he's not gonna support it. He the dj then told me that he doesn't believe in promoting artists...but when you play them...aren't you promoting them also ? (lol) Anyhow, he said he will do his best to mix him in...but for now Prince most likely won't be played anytime after 12 midnight at the club he spins at. WHAT A DAMN SHAME!!! www.newpowerdetroit.com I guess we'll have to wait til the next Prince Music Night iN ANewPowerDetroit! And now you can put your toys back in your pram..Prince not played at Detroit club...big deal..move on  well here is my point to this last comment, you may think oh well, move on get over it, but thats one club, how many more are NOT playing the stuff, how do artist expect hit singles if no one plays the stuff. i think that was the main point. so go ahead an you put out an album, and the rest of us will pray that you get no play, and see how your reaction is..... noituloveR lautiripS weN a fo gninwaD eht si sihT | |
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NPD313 said: I didn't assume anyone wanted to hear Black Sweat.
I asked for it, cause I wanted to hear it! Just like everyone else requests the songs they want to hear! I am a DJ also and lukewarm response to a song that doesn't get play means...you have to make it familar. This whole system is so fucked up now, its a system designed to make certain artist fail! If Prince did a song with some well known rapper and it had an amazing beat and still didn't sound like anything else on this planet. People still wouldn't play it, because its Prince! You have a method of always changing up the dynamics of sound in a club. I have heard so many djs switch shyt up and it wasn't a problem. I believe to be a good dj that everyone respects, you take a chance and not saying throw on some sinatra or country music...but while your spinning Laffy Taffy and Ms. New Booty...and then you throw in some Cold blooded by rick james, you can damn well throw in some Black Sweat by Prince. He was all over the board with music and I believe most ppl who are dj's now are not trying to play a new jam by prince that can stand up to most of the bullshyt on radio now. People are afraid! I'm done with this post, because ppl have ignored my point of this entire post. I don't care what others want to hear, i requested the song because I thought he played music that he could have very well thrown in the mix (black sweat). I'm scared of the club you were hanging out at, if "Laffy Taffy"'s getting spins. You missed my point. You claim to be a DJ, but i wonder. There's a difference is DJ-ing at a wedding, and getting hired to DJ at a club. At a wedding it's the DJ's job to play as many requests as possible. That's not the case at a club. The DJ's job is to provide atmosphere and keep the MAJORITY of the club patrons on the dance floor, happy and drinking. YOU thought that Black Sweat would fit in the mix. YOU wanted to hear it, even though the DJ said he played it already. It's not the DJ's job you make YOU happy! Again if you want to hang out somewhere where you get to hear what YOU want all night, find a bar with a jukebox. It's not some evil Purple conspiracy against Prince if a dj doesn't want to drop Black Sweat in the mix. It just might mean that the track isn't as hot as YOU think it is. Nuff said. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ImYours said: NPD313 said: Everybody aint been no dj!
If they were...then please forgive me lawd, but not everyone is good at it! Its not that easy of a job! I take risks and thats why I'm good at what I do. Thats why Prince is good at what he does, thats why Howard Stern is good at what he does, thats why david chappelle is good at what he does! So being a risk taker and dj can benefit sometimes! Just ask MOJO and the folx in detroit who listened to him! Peace Exactly. Why does everything have to flow? Why can't there be a song on the floor that shifts the tone of the floor radically and abruptly? There's a HUGE difference in being a radio personality and a DJ. And what Mojo did was amazing but it was at a time when he could do it. Times have changed unfortunately, and radio no longer takes any chances, and that sucks. But that's not being a DJ. And everything has to flow, because that's what DJ's are supposed to do. Unless you're doing it at a wedding then it doesn't matter, but if you're at a club and you've been hired to provide atmosphere and keep the dance floor packed and people happy and drinking, then there is a flow that you try not to upset. Have you ever been at a club and the DJ puts on a song and the dance floor clears? Everyone goes to the bathroom or decides to get some air, or leave? As a DJ, you try to AVOID that. IF you're good, that is. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ImYours said: shockadelica777 said: Ok, no offense, but I'm a dj too and just got back from playing at a local club... Hey, Mr. DJ - your job is not to play what you want - IT'S TO PLAY WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT! Get over yourself! I said as much to Shockadelica earlier in the thread and he answered in a way that suggests he does care for the people but there's a right time for it. Seemed reasonable to me. RIP  | |
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I applaud your efforts NPD. I really do. U are a true funk soldier. | |
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The worst are the drunk bitches who just split up, they wanna hear crap like "Tainted Love" and when your packing up the gear they are always crying for you to play one more. Never hastle the DJ!
Rule #1 of being a DJ you play what the people wanna hear not what you like or what one person requests. DJs these days only play stuff that the general public are very familiar with, no ones into breaking new music or taking risk. Some underground alt rock DJ's do but this dance shit sometimes is just too planned out. The song could have emptied the floor if people are not familiar with it. It's also a combination - people are fickle, not as committed to following a musician for a long time. | |
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DavidEye said: (...)There is no reason why "Black Sweat" shouldn't be played.
There are a few reasons. Zhe song simply isn't good enough 4 a dancfloor burner. Don't get me wrong: I really like it. But as a dancefloor burner..it needs more than a groove and a good chorus. the song isn't catchy enough in the verse. and he has a "cold" sound. And a lot of people hate the high synth style. That is, btw, the reason, why the song isn't heavy totating on radio stations. he is not catchy enough. | |
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