Do you agree, that what Prince really needs is a producer who knows how to use his talent...
Dont get upset now people or dont get me wrong but he could have made much better ALBUMS if someone just told him
-which songs to use (his albums tend to bee way too long)
-not to use so much interludes and narrative voices and other crap. (like slo.mo speech on TRC)
-not to stuff his albums with all kind of sound voices, instruments etc..

Yep, i really think that many of his good song and especially albums lack good production. GOod examples are Emancipation (too long) Lovesymbol (too confused and too long).

what do you say

prinssi said:

That's not because of lack of Production!
It's lack of focus and desire!
The ball is in his court and he knows we want it!
So what ever we get, we hurry for it!
He just needs pressure from a record company!
And he escaped that! So now he does it his way..
Money first, Poor products.
In the long run he'll only have himself to blame.
What can we do.
As for Emancipation and O)+>?
I like both.I will say EMPTN lacked
finishing punch. But still
has it's classics
O)+> was his last whole hearted project!

Ya know, I never thought that Prince should use an outside producer, then I satrted getting all these ideas for various songs. I can just imagine what somebody with more talent and a different perspective than I could do. I mean, Prince has skillz, but a different point of view never hurts.

Then again, do you mean produce as in engineer? Or re-arrange, etc?

He definitely needs a talented producer to reel him in. He's got so much stuff that would be just that much better if he would listen to an outside perspective.

And don't even get me started on marketing! He could be a top 40 artist, without succumbing to a major label OR changing a note to his music. He just doesn't know how to (nor hire people to) promote himself!

I agree with the statements made above.

Prince tends to overproduce his music when it would be much more powerful if he stripped it down and let it stand on it's own merit.

I think he should release the concert from the celebration when it was just him playing. And, don't touch it...just release it!

I don't think there's anything wrong with his music the way it is now. It's more like experimentation, and I enjoy seeing what he can do, and what he only wants to do with is music. I think it's what sets his creativity and production apart from others because it doesn't sound like other artists music, which is why I don't think he needs someone else to produce him. That's why there's other artists that sound like eachother. Prince is doing just fine all on his own.
[This message was edited Tue Jul 9 9:43:43 PDT 2002 by Starmist7]

IceNine said:

Did you attend the celebration?

sag10 said:

I opted to take my son on vacation instead... although I love Prince, I am extremely glad that I made the choice I did.

Maybe Prince is just doing what he wants.

He's an artist and he's doing his own thing.

wasn't d'angelo "auditioning" with his "voodoo" 2 produce prince? what's up w/ that???p would definately gain his long sought after street credibility

Not a producer but a manager imo, wouldn't it be cool if he called Per Nilsen, or others people of Uptown or Ben , just like Bruce Springsteen asked Jon Landau to be his manager after he wrote "I saw the future of rock n roll" in a article about Bruce...

sag10 said:

I did, and I stand by my statement. We're talking about recorded music here, not live performances. There's a huge difference.

I strongly agree, Prince could really use outside producers and yes, a big mean record label riding his ass. Speaking of his ass, he could use a big kick in it as well. Prince's unchecked ego is part of his problem

Consider my point about the record label thing: didn't Prince tell Chris Rock that he argued with Warners over the lyrics to 'Let's Go Crazy': "We're not gonna let Satan break us down, oh no let's go!"? Well, that would've ruined an otherwise brilliant pop song. I'm glad WB didn't let that slide.

Here's another crazy idea that'll never happen: ditch the Pro Tools computers and record to 2" tape again. There is a reason 1999, recorded in his old BASEMENT, is so much more listenable than The Rainbow Children, Rave, Emancipation, etc. The ease of digital recording has done more than most people realize to eliminate the love and craft of documenting music.

Any serious suggestions as far as producers who would be able to get the best work out of Prince?

I say let Subyduby b his producer.
she knows talent and what the public wants.
SHE'LL B BETTER THAN P-DIDDY(p-shitty)

prinssi said:

I know u got a lot of people telling u what U need, but ultimately u listen 2 urself, correct?

Check the intro 2 Money Dont Matter 2nite 4 details...

I would have to go with Meshell Ndegeocello or maybe Raphael Saadiq

I hope the day doesn't come where He is forced like James Brown was in the late 70's to now with working with Producer's who did 2nd to 3rd tier takes on what He had already done 20 years Previous? I think it would be interesting to Hearing Prince working with some Fresh Blood in the Studio.But I'd cringe at the thought if He got what JB got with for instance "Living in America"?? a 2nd rate take on what He did better 15 years Prior.

simply put. That would defeat the purpose of his music. He creates art, unrestricted. Take it or leave it. e.g. emancipation was a 3 CD set because HE COULD DO IT!!! And it was good. Like everything he's ever done. It's his.

Nuff sed.

okay..someone's gotta say it...what about Jamie Starr...!?

Dauphin said:

This is what i ment. For example, i love KISS so much mostly bcause it is so simply done. Pure sound, not too much instruments or overdubbing or anything. And it is a song, which Prince didnt want to put on Parade at all in the 1st place!
Many of his songs would be much stronger if they were more simply done. and IMO he should have more ROUGH and authentic sound. Too clean sound sometimes makes really goood song bit boring.

Thats y i also agree totally with Rudy:

It would be good if he would work with an other producer. Prince writes great songs, and he is a great producer himself...but it would be great to hear him sing on an other sound. There are a lot of great creative producers where he could work with. It can be very refreshing if u let new young producers do there stuff.
But i dont think that will happen, Prince is too much a control freak.

That producer could be me?? I know that it would be...so nice!!



Peace,

JD

I respectfully DISAGREE

Prince should remain himself and he will make the best music.
[This message was edited Wed Jul 10 8:38:15 PDT 2002 by Abrazo]

ive said it before...Tchad Blake and Prince would be an awesome combo...Tchad has produced soo many different styles from Bonnie Raitt to Los Lobos...From Pearl Jam to Susan Vega...He did wonders for Wendy and Lisa and their Girlbros disc...He understands when to arrange a song and bring it up a notch or when to leave it stripped and raw...

his stuff on LatinPlayboys is the bomb!!!

There are pros and cons to him working with a producer and there are pros and cons to him continuing to work alone. Why doesn't he do both? There'd be great music either way.

Guess that's just the Gemini in me.

As much as i despise the idea i think Prince has done so much musically that doing just one cd witha whole variety of producers may be a good thing just for the hell of it. The problem is is that how do you produce an artist who knows nearly every trick in the book. All a new producer wil give him is a hit cd and not be able to add to the mans creativity.
Whenever this argument is put forward i always recall one of his greatest quotes which goes something like 'the songs sound the way they do cuz thats how they're supposed to sound'.

Who knows Prince better then Prince? Nobody...He's stayin true 2 himself & his vision respect that. If hes not making the type of music that "U" want 2 hear then ain't life tough...

Every once in a while, I'll see a topic like this and wonder why can't people except change? Prince has always been the last type of artist 2 pin down 2 any one or two things.

He's doin what he wants the way he wants. I'm not saying I'm in2 everything he does music wise but, I can step back & let him B him and respect his genius anyways.

Whats better? If he made another 1999 type record would that B better? And 4 who? It wouldn't B better 4 him if he's not feelin that kind of music project. Its about letting go of what "we think" he should do & let the artist feel his creative freedom 2 flow in any direction he's diggin.

I just sit back any enjoy the journey his music takes me on. If its something I can't get in2 or don't want 2 hear ala them parts on TRC...I skip past it. Hey, L.A. Reid felt the same way about Prince. Sayin he needed 2 lay down his pride and move over 2 let someone else steer the ship.

I say why? I know if Prince wanted 2 he could make another Purple Rain...and just do that, keep making the same style of music just 2 please the masses of limited minded so called music lovers and those who work in the music biz like L.A. Reid who act like they hold the key etc...

His own former band and fellow producer & friend Babyface whos as bright as any producer in history, last solo effort was looked at as a flop...it didn't sell well like his past records nor did it have hit singles (as far as I recall). So does this can't do wrong producer/singer/song writer need a producer himself now?


"NO"...why? cause if he, Babyface was happy with his record and wanted it 2 sound that way, then who are we 2 really say what he should have done better etc...Thats what its all about...letting the artist B a true artist, thus being true 2 himeslf and not 2 the fans who "think" they know the artist best.

Prince has so much depth & has always been much further ahead of the rest that I don't think anyone could understand the complexed genius he truly is.

Enjoy & respect his creative ways cause everyone else seems 2 really wish they had the guts 2 take the chances and do all the many wonderful things he's done...Prince is the stuff that legends are made of & seeing they broke the mold when he was born, U better love the one & only Prince!

But seriously, I think that Prince is good producing himself. Personally, I just think that there needs to be less stress in his operations. There are many small distributing companies and disc manufacturers out there that would gladly mass produce all of Prince's cd's, and he would never again have to deal with a major label on anything. If he had less of that to worry about, he could focus more on his actual talents. There is a independently owned multimedia production company about 30 miles from where I live here in Southern Illinois that would love to work with Prince to copy and distribute his music. And as far as having different musicians and writers to give him some ideas, he has an abundance of that in his fan base, (examples- me, Cloud9, Gooey, Cary, and many many more just here on the org). Prince has all of the resources right at his fingertips, but alot of the time no one informs him of this. Personally, I don't have much respect for the big money music industry because I believe it is a bunch of mindless exploitation and waste, so if I ever have the opportunity to get a recording deal, I will definetely seek the independent route first.


Just my thoughts,

JD