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PrintableI am not saying that it is his best work or even my personal favorite. I am just saying that it was really a stand out piece of artistry at that time. Brilliant for that time period. Above anything that anyone else was doing at the time. Prince was right on top of his game and ahead of everybody else. | |
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KingSausage said: I think it pales in comparison to Parade.
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Byron said: PurpleKnight said: There's hardly anything really bad on it, but a lot of it is stuff that he could've done in his sleep. I nominate this as the "Overused Cliche' O' The Month" when it comes to criticizing Prince songs...it gets used so much that it no longer holds any real intellectual meaning.  People always say that Prince could have written a certain song in his sleep, but Prince hardly ever sleeps. How can he write all these songs in his sleep?  | |
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Aerogram said: Byron said: I nominate this as the "Overused Cliche' O' The Month" when it comes to criticizing Prince songs...it gets used so much that it no longer holds any real intellectual meaning. People always say that Prince could have written a certain song in his sleep, but Prince hardly ever sleeps. How can he write all these songs in his sleep? napwriting? | |
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Aerogram said: PurpleKnight said: Not really. I think Kamasutra blows, Fury is a great song, When Doves Cry and Kiss are amazing singles, Graffiti Bridge is hilariously bad, etc. Are you gonna use that argument every time I simply think for myself? It's absolutely fascinating to see some hardcore Prince fans here talk about things like free speech and then turn around and devour anyone who poses a threatening opinion that conflicts with their comfortable consensus. It's almost like you're not allowed to post unless you're saying the same old things that have been previously approved by the Prince veterans. "SOTT is his best album ever." "His 90's run sucked." "Lovesexy is magical." "The Revolution was his best band ever." "Purple Rain isn't the preferred Prince album of real fans." Etc. I'm sick of seeing comments like "How old are you?" or "Listen to it again." So lame. No, I don't have a special story where I bought SOTT the day it came out and then took the day off school to listen to it in my 80's bedroom. So what? Does a great album only appeal to the listeners of its generation? I mean, such a thing hasn't stopped me from finding albums like Dirty Mind, 1999, and Purple Rain absolutely incredible. And no, I do not need to listen to it again. I've heard the album ten million times. Not finding it amazing isn't some sort of temporary insanity condition. You people are unbelievable sometimes. This is way over the top. Who is actually threatened by whose opinion? You don't see me taking away your right to free speech. If you choose to express an opinion contrary to a strong consensus that is fine but don't expect compliments on your taste or critical judgment. Certain people are threatened by a minority opinion, though. It's like they want everyone to agree with them and accept certain things as fact. That's always the way it is on the internet. It's an elitism issue, and it's always very annoying. Anyone who isn't as in love with the most popular thing of a hardcore fanbase as the majority will always be called a "hater" or similarly have his opinion unfairly dismissed. I didn't mean certain fans are trying to take away my right to free speech. lol I was just referring to the hypocritical way in which some act like this is a discussion forum, and yet they simply don't wanna hear out certain types of opinions. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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I was just thinking about this the other day--I guess b/c over on HQ they are having SOTT survivor and whenever I try to decide which songs to vote for, I can't--not b/c I love them all too much, but because I'm completely ambivalent about most of them. I remember when SOTT (the song) was on the radio--it very contemporary as far as subject matter went. I remember seeing U Got the Look video, which I didn't really get. But the rest of the songs somehow passed me by--or didn't make it to rural Iowa radio.  I don't dislike the album, but there are many Prince albums I prefer more. And three of the songs that get a ton of love here (Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Starfish & Coffee, and Adore) I usually skip because I don't like them. 
The fact that *I* personally don't think SOTT is Prince's masterpiece, doesn't mean it's not important in the context of Prince's career or compared to other rock/pop music from that time. (There are a lot of painting from the history of art that I don't dig either--but I can still appreciate their importance.)  The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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jone70 said: I remember seeing U Got the Look video, which I didn't really get. But the rest of the songs somehow passed me by--or didn't make it to rural Iowa radio.
really? i remember Q-102 in des moines used to play "u got the look" quite often at the time... | |
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Aerogram said: KingSausage said: I think it pales in comparison to Parade.
But only because you lost your virginity to the sound of Mountains, correct? Technically, while watching Under the Cherry Moon. Did I mention I was alone? "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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jone70 said: I was just thinking about this the other day--I guess b/c over on HQ they are having SOTT survivor and whenever I try to decide which songs to vote for, I can't--not b/c I love them all too much, but because I'm completely ambivalent about most of them. I remember when SOTT (the song) was on the radio--it very contemporary as far as subject matter went. I remember seeing U Got the Look video, which I didn't really get. But the rest of the songs somehow passed me by--or didn't make it to rural Iowa radio.
I don't dislike the album, but there are many Prince albums I prefer more. And three of the songs that get a ton of love here (Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Starfish & Coffee, and Adore) I usually skip because I don't like them.
The fact that *I* personally don't think SOTT is Prince's masterpiece, doesn't mean it's not important in the context of Prince's career or compared to other rock/pop music from that time. (There are a lot of painting from the history of art that I don't dig either--but I can still appreciate their importance.) Even though you articulated your point well and were really fair, I'm gonna be an asshole and say "Listen to it again" and ask how old you are.  The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: jone70 said: I remember seeing U Got the Look video, which I didn't really get. But the rest of the songs somehow passed me by--or didn't make it to rural Iowa radio.
really? i remember Q-102 in des moines used to play "u got the look" quite often at the time... Ahh, but Des Moines is the biggest city in Iowa...I grew up on a farm near a town with 850 people, half an hour from South Dakota & Nebraska (aka the middle of nowhere). The closest McDonald's was a good 45 miles away... We didn't have cable and there were only two choices for popular radio: classic rock/heavy metal & top 40. I honestly don't remember hearing U Got the Look on the radio. I saw the video at my Grandmother's house b/c she lived in town & had cable. It was on Nickelodeon Sunday Afternoon videos or something... The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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carlpenn said: How old are you? I would say you are not 20+ ?
In 1987 this album was shit hot, it made other musicians look lame, in fact I can barely remember any particular song from 1987 ?? There is a wide variety of sound on here too, form dark sounding Title track, to the funky Housequake, balladic adore, raunchy Hot Thing and melodic forever in my life etc.....it was awesome. But that was 1987, the album is still in my top five and beats anything released after 1990. Just my opinion  OK - not to cross over into "Music: Non-Prince" but if you think 1987 was lacking for other GREAT music, then you must've missed these albums that were released that year (some of which even had a few "hits") . . . U2 - Joshua Tree Michael Jackson - Bad George Michael - Faith Madonna - "Who's That Girl" and a remix album "You Can Dance" All I'm saying is that to say 1987 was a bland year in music is insane. Sign O The Times was up against some SERIOUS competition, and IMHO it held it's own. It's my favorite album of all time, period. |
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PurpleKnight said: jone70 said: I was just thinking about this the other day--I guess b/c over on HQ they are having SOTT survivor and whenever I try to decide which songs to vote for, I can't--not b/c I love them all too much, but because I'm completely ambivalent about most of them. I remember when SOTT (the song) was on the radio--it very contemporary as far as subject matter went. I remember seeing U Got the Look video, which I didn't really get. But the rest of the songs somehow passed me by--or didn't make it to rural Iowa radio.
I don't dislike the album, but there are many Prince albums I prefer more. And three of the songs that get a ton of love here (Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Starfish & Coffee, and Adore) I usually skip because I don't like them.
The fact that *I* personally don't think SOTT is Prince's masterpiece, doesn't mean it's not important in the context of Prince's career or compared to other rock/pop music from that time. (There are a lot of painting from the history of art that I don't dig either--but I can still appreciate their importance.) Even though you articulated your point well and were really fair, I'm gonna be an asshole and say "Listen to it again" and ask how old you are. I don't want to listen to it again...when I have to skip more songs than the ones I want to listen to, I don't usually bother. I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but I'm 30. And my favorite Prince line-up is the Lovesexy band, I think Adore is overrated, and I don't like the Ballad of Dorothy Parker anymore b/c my ex put it on a CD for me ('cause my name is Joni) and now I don't like it. But one of my absolute favorite Prince songs is Forever in My Life (I prefer the SOTT live version, though.)
Wait, I just re-read your post, and I think you were being facetious...  The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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jone70 said: PurpleKnight said: Even though you articulated your point well and were really fair, I'm gonna be an asshole and say "Listen to it again" and ask how old you are. I don't want to listen to it again...when I have to skip more songs than the ones I want to listen to, I don't usually bother. I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but I'm 30. And my favorite Prince line-up is the Lovesexy band, I think Adore is overrated, and I don't like the Ballad of Dorothy Parker anymore b/c my ex put it on a CD for me ('cause my name is Joni) and now I don't like it. But one of my absolute favorite Prince songs is Forever in My Life (I prefer the SOTT live version, though.)
Wait, I just re-read your post, and I think you were being facetious... Yeah, that's okay. I was just having some fun with comments from others that I found silly. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Se7en said: OK - not to cross over into "Music: Non-Prince" but if you think 1987 was lacking for other GREAT music, then you must've missed these albums that were released that year (some of which even had a few "hits") . . . U2 - Joshua Tree Michael Jackson - Bad George Michael - Faith Madonna - "Who's That Girl" and a remix album "You Can Dance" All I'm saying is that to say 1987 was a bland year in music is insane. Sign O The Times was up against some SERIOUS competition, and IMHO it held it's own. It's my favorite album of all time, period. This was the album I was listening to instead of SOTT...I was all about George Michael that summer. Kissing a Fool, I Want Your Sex, Faith, Father Figure...those were all over the radio. The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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as much as I love the album (and the b-sides), I have never been a fan of IT. The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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Sorry, but...Bullshit! I've seen you make some interesting claims on this site, PurpleKnight... I can't recall anything specific, but you seem intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows. Obviously it's your opinion so I don't care to argue or anything.
Sign O The Times is a MASTERPIECE. However, unless you own it on vinyl, it's not as stunning without it being mastered properly. The CD version has a weak sound, for sure. . [Edited 2/24/06 20:17pm] | |
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"BLASPHEMER!" Sorry, but...Bullshit! I've seen you make some interesting claims on this site, PurpleKnight... I can't recall anything specific, but you seem intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows. Obviously it's your opinion so I don't care to argue or anything. Sign O The Times is a MASTERPIECE. However, unless you own it on vinyl, it's not as stunning without it being mastered properly. The CD version has a weak sound, for sure. I'd love to give all the naysayers the mastered version I made, but then, that's not allowed. I think it'd make some of you BLASPHEMERS reconsider!
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How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. Hey look, to be honest I felt similarly at one point in my earlier heathen years.... I didn't know what SOTT was all about really.... do you own the vinyl? Play that vinyl loud and you'll hear how it was supposed to be. Don't blame Prince, blame Warner, regarding the CD most people own. Also, many haven't seen the movie in good quality. However, if the songs don't move you anyway, well I guess you can't be helped!
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SOTT kicks major ass.
How the fuck can you argue with "Hot Thing", "If I Was Your Girlfriend", "I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man", "Sign O The Times", "Housequake", "It", "Adore", "Strange Relationship", "Ballad Of Dorothy Parker", "The Cross", "U Got The Look" Those are ALL classics. And that's 12 out of 16, and the others are all above average as well, many fans would argue that they are classics also. |
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moderatorMilitant said: SOTT kicks major ass.
How the fuck can you argue with "Hot Thing", "If I Was Your Girlfriend", "I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man", "Sign O The Times", "Housequake", "It", "Adore", "Strange Relationship", "Ballad Of Dorothy Parker", "The Cross", "U Got The Look" Those are ALL classics. And that's 12 out of 16, and the others are all above average as well, many fans would argue that they are classics also. Very astute. Your sig is a cool response too! Slow Love for example is a total classic in my opinion. Damn I just love every little bit of that album. It's top of the top 3 in my opinion: SOTT Parade Purple Rain | |
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PurpleKnight said: How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. | |
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Byron said: PurpleKnight said: How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. Dude, you're wrong. Can't you see that you're just wrong? Your opinions are wrong. Do more research... "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Byron said: PurpleKnight said: How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. Believe it. That's the whole point to this (Prince: Music and More) forum for many people! | |
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KingSausage said: Byron said: Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. Dude, you're wrong. Can't you see that you're just wrong? Your opinions are wrong. Do more research...  | |
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PurpleKnight said: I don't have a problem with the fact that SOTT has happier sounding songs on it.
Housequake is a fucking blast, for example. I just think the album is mired by somewhat forgettable Prince-by-numbers stuff that surrounds the album's truly beautiful, ingenius gems (like Adore, for one). to each there own I guess but clearly you would not only be in the minority here but with unbiased music critics as well While I have a problem with Play in the Sunshie (all but the last 60 seconds of it or so when it turns funky), Slow Love, and the incredibly corny U Got the Look (your bodys heckaslammin?) The other songs as just so strong. Can't wait for that thing to be remastered. I remember buying Sign o' the Times going to my basement nearly beside myself and playing it over and over and over again. I was simply blown away. Just incredible example of Prince being a jack of all trades. The b-side LA LA La He He Hee all 11 minutes was great. It was around this time Price was evolving his answer to Funkadelic, George Clinton and Bootsy. God what a tremendously gifted musician Prince was and still is. My absolutely favorite Prince albumns are in no particular order Sign Lovesexy Purple Rain 1999 and Parade Around the World IN A Day is in the next group...just an unbelievable and IMO an unparalled time of production in modern music. Lets not forget the stuff he was writing for the Time and Shelia E. My goodness Love Bizarre, Glamorous Life...I mean it just goes on I Love that period of time...he could do no wrong [Edited 2/24/06 21:10pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Byron said: PurpleKnight said: How can an opinion that was fleshed out with valid reasoning be "bullshit?"
How am I intent on bringing down some of the Prince sacred cows? All I did was make a thread expressing an opinion like anyone else does. Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. I gave valid reasoning for why I feel the way I do about the album, so dismissive comments were completely unwarranted. I'm not the arrogant one here. I'm not telling people to "listen to it again" because they think it's his best album and I don't. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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JPW said: Byron said: Where's the "valid reasoning" in your argument??...Saying "I think it sounds run-of-the-mill" is not valid reasoning. It's simply giving your personal taste a higher validity than it warrants. Me saying "Hot Thing" is a tense, stunning masterpiece of minimalist funk is not "valid reasoning", either... I can't believe how many people around here think their opinions should be viewed as fact...or even as reasonably thought out knowledge. And yeah, that goes for both sides. Believe it. That's the whole point to this (Prince: Music and More) forum for many people! Eh, no wonder I don't post here more often...lol
For the record, I love the song "It"...I think it's a great song because the beat is pure sex, steady pounding...Prince's vocals are absolutely sick, especially when he says "With you, I swear, I'm a maniac...alright!"...it really underscores the sex fiend persona that he's trying to get across with the lyrics...and the Pink Floyd-type guitar solo in the middle is close to perfection. Now THAT is something in the vicinity of using "valid reasoning" to back up an opinion...I didn't stop at "It's a great funk tune, one of his best"...I've yet to see that type of insight or analysis from the thread starter... | |
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"Slow Love"...it evokes perfectly Sly Stone at the height of his powers in a way I've NEVER heard anyone do before or since...it has a slight "Hot Fun In The Summertime" vibe to it (if you slowed that song down just a tad), and brings to the forefront that neck-nuzzling sensuality that was--and is--sorely missing from most R&B ballads.
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Byron said: JPW said: Believe it. That's the whole point to this (Prince: Music and More) forum for many people! Eh, no wonder I don't post here more often...lol
For the record, I love the song "It"...I think it's a great song because the beat is pure sex, steady pounding...Prince's vocals are absolutely sick, especially when he says "With you, I swear, I'm a maniac...alright!"...it really underscores the sex fiend persona that he's trying to get across with the lyrics...and the Pink Floyd-type guitar solo in the middle is close to perfection. Now THAT is something in the vicinity of using "valid reasoning" to back up an opinion...I didn't stop at "It's a great funk tune, one of his best"...I've yet to see that type of insight or analysis from the thread starter... So I have to offer a song-by-song breakdown? I wasn't as detailed and insightful as you maybe would've liked, but my reasons for not thinking it's as amazing as most do were very fair. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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