Hmmm Then my 2 cents tells me that the new prince CD supposedly commin out on CDNOW in august called "one man Jam" is actually "One nite alone"

IrishEcho said:

First of all, your 25 $ figure is dependent on Prince delivering exactly 4 cds, and not "at least" 4 cds. Secondly, for people in North America or those willing to travel, there were some real opportunities to get something extra out of the club, including soundchecks with rarely performed songs (in my case, I got to hear Elephants and Flowers and Whole lotta love, not to mention Pearls Before the Swine), q and a's and, sometimes, aftershows that were worth attending.

The club is kinda expensive, but I don't think just flatly viewing it as 4 cds at 25 $ a pop at this point is very fair. If I only get 4, I'll be one of those who can say he got more than just cds. I hope people in Europe get the same opportunities I did.

And again, asking for exclusivity is practically asking for obscurity and even mediocrity. Why would an artist release some of his best work exclusively to 5 000 to 10 000 fans worldwide? He wouldn't...

Aerogram said[quote]

First of all, your 25 $ figure is dependent on Prince delivering exactly 4 cds, and not "at least" 4 cds.

And you really expect we'll be seeing anything more than the bare minimum? Get real!

Secondly, for people in North America or those willing to travel, there were some real opportunities to get something extra out of the club, including soundchecks with rarely performed songs (in my case, I got to hear Elephants and Flowers and Whole lotta love, not to mention Pearls Before the Swine), q and a's and, sometimes, aftershows that were worth attending.

Then perhaps Prince should have restricted the club's membership to residents of North America. Still, people in places like Spokane, WA or wherever else Prince didn't stop on tour, or even in Chicago where he stopped only to poop on them, were left out in the cold. Do you honestly expect that if Prince hadn't toured in a market like New York City, for example, members would be absolutely SCREAMING at the man for scamming them? Chances are you wouldn't find fault with their complaints. Why find fault with the complaints of his European fans who paid to join the club?

The club is kinda expensive, but I don't think just flatly viewing it as 4 cds at 25 $ a pop at this point is very fair.

When that's all that some people get, that's very fair.

If I only get 4, I'll be one of those who can say he got more than just cds. I hope people in Europe get the same opportunities I did.

If only. But it's not looking so good.

And again, asking for exclusivity is practically asking for obscurity and even mediocrity. Why would an artist release some of his best work exclusively to 5 000 to 10 000 fans worldwide? He wouldn't...

Right, alienate his most faithful supporters, rather than throw them a friggin bone with a little meat on it for a change. Typical Prince move. The club was "exclusive" last year, was it not? Pearls Before the Swine, My Medallion, all that other crap he put out was never released on CD for the masses (or the 5 or 6 people outside the club who would buy it). Why should this year be any different? Just because Prince manufactured a surplus of CDs thinking he'd have more members join?
[This message was edited Tue Jul 9 3:57:06 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

IceNine said:

You're right...this song is one of my favorites on the album (probably the best one)!! Along with Color, Lovesign, and 17!!

"And you really expect we'll be seeing anything more than the bare minimum? Get real!"

Man, too many people confuse being flat with being "realistic". I wouldn't be surprised if we got 5, and besides, since you appreciate flattening everything to fit a particular view, I got to see ONA and got terrific seats, so why you should I care "IrishEcho" didn't?


"Then perhaps Prince should have restricted the club's membership to residents of North America. Still, people in places like Spokane, WA or wherever else Prince didn't stop on tour, or even in Chicago where he stopped only to poop on them, were left out in the cold. Do you honestly expect that if Prince hadn't toured in a market like New York City, for example, members would be absolutely SCREAMING at the man for scamming them? Chances are you wouldn't find fault with their complaints. Why find fault with the complaints of his European fans who paid to join the club?"

Patience is a virtue... May you get to see him live!


"[b]Right, alienate his most faithful supporters, rather than throw them a friggin bone with a little meat on it for a change. Typical Prince move. The club was "exclusive" last year, was it not? Pearls Before the Swine, My Medallion, all that other crap he put out was never released on CD for the masses (or the 5 or 6 people outside the club who would buy it). Why should this year be any different? Just because Prince manufactured a surplus of CDs thinking he'd have more members join?"

As an amateur of flatness, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we did get exclusivity... No one but club members and some people perseverant enough to get a copy from their friends got to hear ONA for about two months. If it ends, it's still a certain period of exclusivity... flatly speaking.

Anyone who expects quality should not expect permanent exclusivity... Can you imagine if SOTT had been released just to us and would still be our little secret? "Get real".

theC said:

There is a great "flying fuck" scene in the movie "Chinese Torture Chamber Story" if you really want to see flying fucking.

Aerogram said:"And you really expect we'll be seeing anything more than the bare minimum? Get real!"

Man, too many people confuse being flat with being "realistic". I wouldn't be surprised if we got 5, and besides, since you appreciate flattening everything to fit a particular view, I got to see ONA and got terrific seats, so why you should I care "IrishEcho" didn't?

[b]I sat through that crap factory of a tour in the 4th row in NYC. Yet, as usual, I am crusading for the rights of all members, while people like you are self-obsessed. You're satisfied, everyone else should be too. Doesn't work that way. Well, it shouldn't, anyway. It took bloody long enough to get the first CD. I'm not one of those who'd count a double CD as 2 separate CDs, regardless, we will be getting the bare minimum from this stingy ninny. No live CD. 4 & no more. I remember when I ordered from New Funk & got stickers for free. Club members these days don't even get crap like that.

"Then perhaps Prince should have restricted the club's membership to residents of North America. Still, people in places like Spokane, WA or wherever else Prince didn't stop on tour, or even in Chicago where he stopped only to poop on them, were left out in the cold. Do you honestly expect that if Prince hadn't toured in a market like New York City, for example, members would be absolutely SCREAMING at the man for scamming them? Chances are you wouldn't find fault with their complaints. Why find fault with the complaints of his European fans who paid to join the club?"

Patience is a virtue... May you get to see him live!

I've seen him live 8 or 9 times, each tour seems worse than the last. Europe hasn't seen your boy since what? 1995? And the poor folks down under? Maybe they'd like to see him while he's still in his pseudo-prime & not once he hits 50 & will play at state fairs.

"Right, alienate his most faithful supporters, rather than throw them a friggin bone with a little meat on it for a change. Typical Prince move. The club was "exclusive" last year, was it not? Pearls Before the Swine, My Medallion, all that other crap he put out was never released on CD for the masses (or the 5 or 6 people outside the club who would buy it). Why should this year be any different? Just because Prince manufactured a surplus of CDs thinking he'd have more members join?"

As an amateur of flatness, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we did get exclusivity... No one but club members and some people perseverant enough to get a copy from their friends got to hear ONA for about two months. If it ends, it's still a certain period of exclusivity... flatly speaking.

A period of exclusivity is not exclusivity. Exclusivity would be "I am special because I got this & you didn't." Not, "I am special because I got this early." I can stand in line for months to see Star Wars "first" but that doesn't mean other people won't see it. Then again, I didn't pay $100 to be a member of some club for Star Wars.

Anyone who expects quality should not expect permanent exclusivity... Can you imagine if SOTT had been released just to us and would still be our little secret? "Get real".

Yeah, that would be something. Then again, with Prince, exclusivity really isn't an issue, because so few people outside of his silly little club buy his music anyway. The Black Album was largely exclusive (speaking "flatly") for years - available only to those who could track down bootlegs. It was praised as a treasure - a gem - Prince's best work - by a lot of people. When it was officially released 8 years ago, no one cared. It'd be the same today for anything he puts out. Sign o' the Times quality or ONA "quality."
[This message was edited Tue Jul 9 4:54:53 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

I still have not joined because I live in Europe and am waiting for him to announce a tour there (to get my $100 worth of club benefits)

The CD says DEMO. Has anyone thought that maybe the ONE NITE ALONE will be the demo (ie rough) version of the retail CD (which will be the final versions of the songs). If it is then this would still be considered exclusive.

As always Prince needs to TELL people his intentions so they cannot bitch about things (unless of course he subsequently changes his mind). If people knew ONA would be released retail and still chose to join then they have no argument.

jaypotton said:

That's the problem with Prince & a lesson I've learned for this year. My last with any money spent on him & his idiocy.

The ONA album sucks anyway. If he releases it it will only once again prove to the public at large that the man has lost his touch.

And releasing after I paid him 100 bucks for something extra is pathetic. Im in Europe so I got no tour, no celebration and no soundchecks. All I got is 1 out of 4 albums so far. But if he is gonna release everything he gives club members anyway, then whats the point in being a member?

There is another scenarion though. What if its not One Night Alone that we know. Maybe its a retail version of the ONA tour! ie a live release!!!

IRISHECHO, WILL YOU PLEASE BITE YOUR TONGUE AND DIE?!

JonnyBoyRebel said:

If it is a "live" record he should make sure to put the word live in quotes, as he will take the tapes into the studio and fuck them up with overdubs, thus making them not live any longer... he will also make sure that it is not one continuous show in order to only show you what he thinks are the best moments.

A live show should be raw and unedited.

If he puts out an unedited live show... I will buy that and be proud to do so.

Aaron said:

Even if it is releases on retail, it didnt cost MPGMC as much since it is part of the membership. Unless is it sold for about 5 bucks, the better deal is getting it and the other 3 albums from the club with all othe other perks.

I still say that the 2 LA gigs and aftershows I saw were well worth the $100 member fee. The CDs are just a bonus at this point.

garganta said:

What, don't you know how to say that in Spanish?

JonnyBoyRebel said:

Exactly. Futher evidence of his meaninglessness.

IrishEcho said:

Keep trying, Irish. Wake me when you succeed...

CalhounSq said:

Trying what, you beached whale? Say something relevant next time you post. If you're up to the challenge, Orca.

IrishEcho said:

GO SEE ATTACK OF THE CLONES FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, YOU LOSER!!

bkw said:

A to you then.
And gimme one too

IrishEcho said that basically everything is crap, including a tour that got rave reviews from coast to coast in two different countries, with accolades about the jazz elements being superior to anything that would be presented in two different jazz festivals... (but had no connection to either one).

Sooo many critics like "crap", right? Not that I always think critics are right - in fact, I know a couple personally and I can't stand the lot -- but reactions were overall extremely positive : marathon shows, Prince gives his all, superb musicianship, etc.

It's not good enough for "IrishEcho"? No surprise there...Maybe after a few years of self-imposed musical torture, you'll realize you'll never get what your heart desires... but not without making Prince a bit richer. Masochism can be a rewarding experience for some.
[This message was edited Tue Jul 9 13:40:25 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

IrishEcho said:

Good GOD, you're lame!!! Calling a skinny girl "fat" - yea, THAT'S relevant. Go choke on a bullet, sit on a light saber, fuck your dog for the 5th time today - just get a life!

I've heard some of the songs you lucky members got "exclusively" - did anyone else realize they suck, just like everything else he records now? I'm laughing at you people for throwing your $$$ in the general direction of Paisley ("It's only money, folks." Fool, say goodbye to your future)

blah blah bliggity blah...

As I said, if u r a member reading this right now just CONFESS. Prince is doing us all up the ass and we don't care!!!

I don't care, I confess, just 2 know I have access 2 those boring ass members-only pages on the NPG site makes my heart tremble with joy.

OK?!

So what if it goes retail? NPG members got it free. I hope others at least get a chance to purchase it down the road. Most Prince fans ARE NOT members of the music club.

both amazon.com and cdnow list a prince cd titled, "one man jam" set for release august 13th. could this be a retail version of ONA?

I particularly loved the ONA CD. I'll probably buy another copy--IF it's actually going on sale-- so i have a backup when i play and scratch my npgmc copy to death.

'ONA' and 'U're Gonna C Me' are just beautiful. Pearls B4 the Swine(regardless if it's a former download) is up there with Pink Cashmere.

As i read more posts here, i'm finding "One Man Jam" a 94 East CD is being confused with the "ONA" CD.

The 'One Man Jam' CD is NOT the 'One Night Alone' repackaged in any way or form.
One Man Jam is a 94 East CD. The new 94 East cd consists of Prince ONLY playing guitar on two songs, nothing more. He is not a member of 94 East, and except for an old song on the first 94 East CD ("Just Another Sucka'")--he doesn't write or arrange any of the songs on this new 94 East CD.

Paisley Park nor the NPGMC have nothing to do with this release, nor will Prince benefit from this in any way...and it's likely old songs from the late 70's revamped for Prince fans who don't know any better esp with the misleading title.

feelUup said:

Maybe members of the NPG got a copy for free... but the members of the NPGMC paid $100 for their membership.

it doesn't really make a bit of difference to me... so what, if he releases it retail... maybe some of the non-members who have been wanting a copy will finally get one...


i don't expect any of the npgmc cds to be exclusive... i don't care if they are or not... it's still worth it for me to get the cds before everybody else does...

i suppose that i can understand some of you being a little upset, but i never got the impression that the member cds would be exclusive...

and furthermore, this so-called release of "one nite alone" hasn't even been confirmed...

Some people here cant see the wood for the trees.

ONA is truly dreadful! Releasing that upon the unsuspecting public, a public already sceptical about Princes merits, would just be more proof that Prince and his business acumen dont live at the same proverbial address!

Cmon man! If ya gonna release an album into the stores then at least make it a good one and give yourself a chance with the fickle public. Dont spew out yet another weak, and this time very weak if not weakest album. This is what has killed the man off in the first place - Weak albums with weak ballads as singles! And now a weak album of slow and weak ballads! Jaysus, get yourself a manager dude and stop being such an idiot!

And anyway, the people who would ever want that album already have it! They are the club members. No one else would waste their time with it! IT WILL NOT SELL!!!