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Printableherb4 said: I really, really, really don't get all the hate for this DVD, aside from the spastic editing (and Cynthia's horrible off-key vocals on "Everyday People"). But whatta' ya' gonna' do?
One thing I've learned since joining this site is that none of us ever agree on ANYTHING (except maybe 'Joy in Repetition'). yeah, that's the cool thing about prince's work - it's like a big rorschach test. we all see something different in it. | |
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One of the reasons why I can't stand this dvd is that it has such a contrived and forced feel to it. Prince is not in the mood one bit and it shows. No inspiration, no vibe, just shallow and totally staged. Definitely the lowest point in his career and I think he realised luckily and hence got back to basics with the ONA tour. I've been a fan since 83 and watching live concerts and after shows since 86. Compare this to the raw and real experience of the Syracuse show, Parade or SOTT or Lovesexy shows and Rave comes no where close. One thing that pisses me off though - the aladdin performance, though far better than Rave, did not do the tour justice at all!! Why does one of the greatest live performers ever insist on releasing poor live material??? Will some please explain this to me??!! Man, just let someone record one of your entire shows and release it as is - with no editing!!! | |
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The Concert DVD (Rave) had a more uptempo feel than the Live at the ALaddin DVD concert.
Aladdin sounds very Vegas and Rave sounds more spontaneous (although the preachiness of Purple Rain can become annoying on some listens). BTW: HEllo to Actionthisday, who is a family member of mine I had not heard from in almost 2 years  "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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machinegun said: One of the reasons why I can't stand this dvd is that it has such a contrived and forced feel to it. Prince is not in the mood one bit and it shows. No inspiration, no vibe, just shallow and totally staged. Definitely the lowest point in his career
That describes the whole "Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic" era. Why was he even bothering, that year? His whole attitude about the music biz was bitter, the whole release of "Rave" lacked heart and passion, and just seemed a calculated aim at scoring a "hit" without the goods to make a hit album- most obiviously, using the "guest stars" on the cd sticker, then making their contributions almost unaudiable. I can't believe his judgement: a cover of "Everyday's a Winding Road"? You're Prince, dammit!! The album cover for "Rave" and the dvd cover for "Rave 2000" were embarassing;those photos and the blue suit were almost a cry for help. It's hard to believe that the man responsible for the "Sign 0' the Times" concert film also created "Rave 2000". Maybe his child's death and failing marriage were very much responsiblefor his mindset and output. It's years like 1999 where he would have been better off releasing a vault album like "Roadhouse Garden". In any event, I agree with that person that said it's a crummy video from a crummy era. Unlistenable. Unwatchable. It's okay to be negative about Rave; he recovered for "Rainbow Children" and afterward. He's back on track. [Edited 2/20/06 17:55pm] | |
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it's like "graffiti bridge."
i can never make it through the whole thing. it's awful. | |
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warning2all said: machinegun said: One of the reasons why I can't stand this dvd is that it has such a contrived and forced feel to it. Prince is not in the mood one bit and it shows. No inspiration, no vibe, just shallow and totally staged. Definitely the lowest point in his career
That describes the whole "Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic" era. Why was he even bothering, that year? His whole attitude about the music biz was bitter, the whole release of "Rave" lacked heart and passion, and just seemed a calculated aim at scoring a "hit" without the goods to make a hit album- most obiviously, using the "guest stars" on the cd sticker, then making their contributions almost unaudiable. I can't believe his judgement: a cover of "Everyday's a Winding Road"? You're Prince, dammit!! The album cover for "Rave" and the dvd cover for "Rave 2000" were embarassing;those photos and the blue suit were almost a cry for help. It's hard to believe that the man responsible for the "Sign 0' the Times" concert film also created "Rave 2000". Maybe his child's death and failing marriage were very much responsiblefor his mindset and output. It's years like 1999 where he would have been better off releasing a vault album like "Roadhouse Garden". In any event, I agree with that person that said it's a crummy video from a crummy era. Unlistenable. Unwatchable. It's okay to be negative about Rave; he recovered for "Rainbow Children" and afterward. He's back on track. [Edited 2/20/06 17:55pm] He looks SO MISERABLE in the interviews. I wanted to put my hands through the screen and give him a hug. Most of the way through the entire concert he looked like he was really emotional but holding it all in. Plus I din't feel comfortable watching him perform with Lenny K. IT was like he was idolising him. And I just kept thinking -- BUT YOUR PRINCE..LENNY USED TO IDOLISE YOU !!! One of the only bits when he seems to genuinely smile is when he is being carried through the crowd, and ALL I keep thinking is this bloke seems to longing for some genuine affection. Someone who he can relate to. It's like he is continually putting on an act with those guys he's performing with. "Hey, I'm Prince...I'm cool!" Shut up already, damn. | |
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FunkJam said: TheBigBang said: That's the saddest statement I've ever read. Ever. Rave Un2 the Year 2000 is my absolute least favorite Prince performance ever. And this is coming from a 20+ year fan. Horrible. Horrible. Godawful. Horrible. Well keep in mind i have only seen a few live shows. Rave un2, live at the aladdin and lovesexy dortmund. The aladdin show is an absolute pile of crap! And lovesexy is good, but it's pretty borin to watch and alot better to listen to. And im sure there are much better shows than rave, but it's a cool show to watch!! [Edited 2/20/06 8:28am] Are you sure you're a Prince fan ?????  Shut up already, damn. | |
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Anx said: TheBigBang said: Of ANY career, to be honest. Someone who mentioned ripping the audio for the music; that is the only way to enjoy the concert. Watching it is like having your pubes waxed. at least with getting your pubes waxed, you feel kinda sexy when the pain wears off. My butt itches right after Morris swings onto the stage in that video...does that count? Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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i haven't watched this shit since it first aired. i'm not planning on seeing it again anytime soon, either; the editing on that joint almost made my eyes fall out of their sockets. | |
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I'm enough of a fan to generally be jazzed about any chance to see him perform live. But I agree that the energy, passion and immediacy that's usually evident in Prince performances was somewhat lacking for me here.
I like Purple House Medley, SAIMH and the afore-mentioned bass duet and a few other cool moments, but I mostly have to keep the remote handy to fast forward. The end is totally unwatchable with the bad edit of TGRES and 1999 was horrible considering it was to be the last time he performed it. Just like preferring a closed casket to a bad makeup job by the undertaker I'd rather keep better memories in mind than have that travesty as the last taste in my mouth. Maybe part of what makes it bad is that, having heard accounts from those who were there, I realize how much was edited out. I know the crowd was in somewhat of a bad mood because they had nigh frozen to death waiting to get in, there were more industry types there by invite than fans there for the love of the music, and the whole thing was taped in advance. Damn internet!   I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, keep me here. | |
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Better to watch septimo. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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better to watch muppets tonight. | |
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better to watch this. | |
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Anx said: better to watch muppets tonight.
Shut up already, damn. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:
better to watch this. if my damn netflix will ever send it to me!!! | |
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pepper7 said: Anx said: better to watch muppets tonight.
well, it was good!
and you get to see prince acting like a redneck! that's worth the price of admission right there! | |
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Anx said: Handclapsfingasnapz said:
better to watch this. if my damn netflix will ever send it to me!!! they'd better hurry up...it's a joy to watch. any dvd with wendy o. williams blowing up an old chevy nova onstage is a helluva lot better than rave 2000. | |
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Anx said: pepper7 said: well, it was good!
and you get to see prince acting like a redneck! that's worth the price of admission right there! It's brilliant. I think the Muppets are Prince's spiritual home. When they sing Delrious to him my heart swells. Prince seems to love it ! Shut up already, damn. | |
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Better to watch Ishtar.
It was a sand blast. Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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purple house was great. when i heard the first notes i was like "hey, no...nooooo aaaaahhhhh" One minute you're bleeding. The next minute you're hemorrhaging. The next minute you're painting the Mona Lisa | |
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I turned several people OFF from Prince permanently by showing this shitty performance to them. I hadn't watched it yet myself, which was where it all went wrong. Morris swinging in? The tiny, ambivalent crowd? The shitty editing? The fake banter between Prince and the Time? Those fucking children on stage at the end? I'd rather have Kirky J. step on my nuts than watch it again... "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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So look into the mirror, do u recognise some1? Is it who u always hoped u would become, when u were young? | |
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It has some nice moments , but overall i think it's too slick and plastic | |
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pepper7 said: FunkJam said: Well keep in mind i have only seen a few live shows. Rave un2, live at the aladdin and lovesexy dortmund. The aladdin show is an absolute pile of crap! And lovesexy is good, but it's pretty borin to watch and alot better to listen to. And im sure there are much better shows than rave, but it's a cool show to watch!! [Edited 2/20/06 8:28am] Are you sure you're a Prince fan ?????  how dare you!!!???"Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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FunkJam said: pepper7 said: Are you sure you're a Prince fan ????? how dare you!!!??? | |
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FunkJam said: pepper7 said: Are you sure you're a Prince fan ????? how dare you!!!???Well, he does have a very valid point! The Lovesexy tour is really rather popular with Prince fans, especially those of us who were there, and the Aladdin show was for me the best tour since then. It is in fact the exact antithesis to Rave, as in it he is mature, humorous, cool, with a great band, concentrating on his musicianship. In Rave he was a sad, try-hard, with a naff band desperate to still be a pop star instead of acting his age. Horrible, really, really horrible. Unfortunately some of my non-Prince fan friends/bandmates saw this on TV, and never again believed anthing I said about how great he is live. | |
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lovesexy dortmund. The aladdin show is an absolute pile of crap! And lovesexy is good, but it's pretty borin to watch and alot better to listen to.
This statement kinda worried me. No self respecting Prince fan would say that the Lovesexy concert is "pretty borin to watch" ! Shut up already, damn. | |
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vivid said: FunkJam said: how dare you!!!???Well, he does have a very valid point! The Lovesexy tour is really rather popular with Prince fans, especially those of us who were there, and the Aladdin show was for me the best tour since then. It is in fact the exact antithesis to Rave, as in it he is mature, humorous, cool, with a great band, concentrating on his musicianship. In Rave he was a sad, try-hard, with a naff band desperate to still be a pop star instead of acting his age. Horrible, really, really horrible. Unfortunately some of my non-Prince fan friends/bandmates saw this on TV, and never again believed anthing I said about how great he is live. This is exactly how I feel. With the Lovesexy concert you CAN'T take your eyes off Prince. Everything is right. The band, the clothes, Cat, Sheila E, The message, the music... Yet Rave everything felt disjointed and like they all wanted to be taken as "serious musicians". There's still some good bits but you get the feeling Prince isn't quite sure who he is or who he wants to be. Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: lovesexy dortmund. The aladdin show is an absolute pile of crap! And lovesexy is good, but it's pretty borin to watch and alot better to listen to.
This statement kinda worried me. No self respecting Prince fan would say that the Lovesexy concert is "pretty borin to watch" ! also, the aladdin video is utter crap on a technical level, but the actual performance sweeps the floor with the RAVE show. | |
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Anx said: pepper7 said: This statement kinda worried me. No self respecting Prince fan would say that the Lovesexy concert is "pretty borin to watch" ! also, the aladdin video is utter crap on a technical level, but the actual performance sweeps the floor with the RAVE show. There is one point when I thought it should be renamed The Lenny Kravitz show, featuring Prince. Shut up already, damn. | |
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