Will never be stopped.....

not my words, these are the words of the RIAA President.....

read on.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...636235.stm

It still takes $$ out of the artist's pockets. I feel it's a failure of society to adhere to ethical and moral behaviour. Just cause it feels good, doesn't mean it is good. How would you feel if someone stole your child?

xt1000 said:

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not my words, these are the words of the RIAA President.....

read on..... Yip pity the links from 3 years ago
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How sad. It is stealing and we all know that is wrong, but everyone of us has to admit that at one time we may have heard or saw some of this bootlegged crap!
It will never go away, but I think if we make an effort to compensate the artists for their work, then we are helping to solve the problem .

i have never bought as much music as i do now over the net. Every week i seem to recieve 4 or 5 albums through the Amazon market place. I spend so much time (and money) researching music, using file sharing sites only helps me discover more music. It almost keeps me awake at night when i discover an artist thinking that its their first album only to find a ten year back catalogue!!

Without the internet i wouldn't be able to buy find or discover music as i live a good three hours away from the nearest music shop.

Tcho

PurpleRein said:

More a case of, what if someone cloned your child? Would you be that bothered?

Bootlegging of live concerts is okay I think, the artist is not losing money if they have no intention of doing it themselves and we all like to hear a concert we went to as a momento if nothing else.

Studio boots are a little harder to defend, although in Prince's case the vast amount of extra unreleased material has only added to his reputation.

Getting released music for free is definately taken ££ out of the artists and record companies pocket. My only weak defense for this is that they could charge a lot less for cds and accept a lower profit but they choose not to do so, especially when albums are rushed out with lots of filler and only one or two decent tracks.

metalorange said Bootlegging of live concerts is okay I think, the artist is not losing money if they have no intention of doing it themselves and we all like to hear a concert we went to as a momento if nothing else.

Kenny Loggins started selling cd's of his concerts which were recorded at the concert itself. You prepaid (to get it faster) before you were seated, and when you came out, your momento was ready. I forget the name of this commercial enterprise. I would love for more artists to do this, especially Prince

In Prince's case, bootlegs have been a definite plus, proof that his much touted Vault is for real. Whatever money he may have lost from not releasing the outtakes he's recouped many times over by making lifelong fans of some people who otherwise may not have stuck around to buy his releases. The unreleased outtakes and live concert recordings have given him an underground cachet that enhanced and confirmed his reputation as a musical genius. Prince bootlegs are simply the stuff of legends.

He can actually capitalize on his heavily-bootlegged artist status by releasing much of the leaked 70's and 80's material in an archival format, like they did for James Brown. A good boxset needs not sell a million copies to be profitable. But it needs to be truly archival and historical, and that means no tinkering beyond remastering. A collection like this, if done correctly, could sell to hardcore fans and serious audiophiles and easily become one of the pillars of his catalog, the collection that confirms once and for all his legend and just how deserving he is of the hype.

As for the problem of illegal music, in Prince's case what's done is done. He is better off taking the precautions that have resulted in much fewer leaks in recent years and releasing a real collection of his most legendary outtakes than fighting bootleggers, especially since releasing such a collection would make a lot of the bootlegs redundant and unattractive.
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I use P2P networks from time to time to get songs that I have on vinyl or tape but not CD that I want on CD or on my computer. Is that stealing?

This is something I stumbled across whilst browsing.

It is NOT my opinion, although I do agree with certain aspects of what it states.

Firslty - It IS Illegal to record and sell official recordings i.e An Album - The reason being that there is a License agreement when you buy it, between you and the Manufacturer / Artist etc. Basically this agreement states that you do not own the music on the CD nor the artworkk etc, all you do own is the CD and Jewel case - Technically a blank CD and Case !! The rest belongs to the Artist / Manufacturer and they are being nice enough to lend you the music as long as you agree to the license terms.

Very much the same as computer software. (Read the MS Windows License Agreement if you can stay awake long enough)

However a recording of a concert would not theoretically be covered as you have entered no such agreement - i.e Does it say on your Ticket Stub that you can not record this concert or take Pictures? From what I recall it doesn't. However this still does not make it right or legal in a sense as you are taking that artists work and not paying the artist royalties as would they recieve from an official recording etc. So then it is stealing in the end.

Confused???

Me too.....

carlpenn said:

Yes it does.

Tickets to Prince concerts have frequently had instructions forbidding recording equipment being used at a venue, and the same information is now visibly displayed at his concert performances.

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langebleu said:

Then I stand corrected - Although it has been a while since I was at a Concert !!

Also Please note as I stated at the beginning of the post - These are not my words.

PurpleRein said:

It really doesn't. The only people interested in bootlegs are die-hard fans who have all the official stuff and are ravenous to still want more, anything and everything.

You have to make the distinction between pirate copies of officially released music and bootlegged material of unauthorized/unreleased material - There's a difference.

It's pretty much a moot point these days any way, since the popularity of the internet and increasing bandwith speeds in the past, what 5-8 years, the bootleg market is almost non-existant compared to what it was like in the early and mid 90s.

PurpleRein said:

The White Stripes have done something similiar.The played a different version of The Denial Twist at each show of the UK tour.At the end of the concert you were given a a blank cd,with cover art, about 3 days later you texted a number to get a code where you then could download the version of the song you wanted.It cost £1.50 to text the number but i thought it was a great idea.

muirdo said:

Great idea.