thepope2the9s said:

Who's fighting?

I like what Prince is up to these days. If "seekay" begs to differ, I s'pose it's his/her right.

Basic chords for Fury.

Verse:

Gmin / | F / | C / | Gmin / | Repeat

Bridge:

Bb / / / | A / Ab7 / | Gmin / / / | Gmin / / / |

Bb / / / | C / / / | D / / / | D / / / |

All credit to Langebleu

Heiress said:

im not fighting at all. im just right and shes wrong. end of the story...and im not gonna give her my mobile number after that shity effort. work it out girl!


[Flame snip As I stated, if you have a problem with someone, report it to the mods, now GROW UP - luv4u]

seekay said:

Hey man we all have opinions let them be expressed. no-one is right or wrong about an opinion.

Look, Im with seekay.

Doing lets go crazy and Purple Rain was a cop out. Prince has said countless times why revist or stay stuck in the past.. i move on with my music .. type thing.

He must have been walking to the stage lipbiting all the way. Yes, in my opinion it was a cop out. Prince has moved on so much. Who wants to see band members who fell out with the guy reunite and all look 20 years older??

Prince has moved on so much .. why didnt he prove it that night?? He didnt have the balls, and played 2 hits that were guarenteed to be recognised by a non-prince audience 90% of which dont even remember the guy.

He played played lets go crazy to keep an uninformed, non-prince fan, commercial audience happy. we all know it.

proved by another comment.. what was it someone said? "he wasnt promoting his album, he was promoting himself" - my point exactly.

why did he feel the need to do that? As I said.. didnt have the balls to prove how far he'd come with music, and copped out to a non-prince, commerical audience to keep them happy.

Unlike prince, contradicting himself too but there u go. this is a guy that changed his name back to prince and we all accepted it - the guy is just excentric. we all know it.

ask him what HE.. prince .. would have liked to sing upthere.. bet it wasnt

(Morris Day from Purple Rain quote "Lets go craaazy.. lets get nuuuuts! laughter!)

peace out

PurpleHouse said:

I respectfully disagree...If he would have JUST performed "Let's Go Crazy" and "Purple Rain" then, yes, that would be a cop out...For God's sake, as much as I wasn't behind releasing "Te Ama..." as a single, he performed that song first in the set, which was a curveball...then he followed it up with "Fury"...I don't see your "cop out" logic...Is there some uniformed way that he's supposed to play "Let's Go Crazy?" I didn't get the memo on that...I can understand some of the hardline Prince fans not digging the Brits performance overall (again, Prince ain't God; we should all be able to criticize the man without being subjected to an onslaught of hate). But to use the phrase "cop out" is suspect at best...In this particular case, it seems like it's being used more to ignite a frenzied response than to contribute to a spirited debate...

PurpleHouse said:

murph said:

I'm with you (obviously!) it can't be called a cop-out because he played 2 new tracks. But even if he just played PR and LGC I wouldn't care - those songs are fantastic, they make me and a lot of other people feel good.

I don't see what is wrong with an artist playing their hits if they want to. Obviously most artists don't have the long career that Prince has had and therefore don't even have the chance to play the same songs as much as Prince has done.

But the logic being argued here seems to be that an artist who plays his own hard-earned hits is a cop-out and should instead ONLY play new material. By that logic next year the Kaiser Chiefs should only play material from their new album. By that logic Madonna should only play songs from her last album on her next tour. By that logic the millions of people who go to see The Who or The Rolling Stones are pissed off when they launch into a hit.

The vast majority of the fans actually WANT to hear the hits performed by the artist who created them. That's why when acts like Cream reform, they sell out. I don't see whats wrong with 'trying to keep happy' an audience. What performer doesn't? As Prince once said, when you go to see James Brown, you want him to play the hits you're familiar with.

I'm really glad Prince is still putting out new music. I'm even glad he's trying to promote himself, earn new legions of fans and make 3121 a big seller. But Prince is undeniably who he is because of all those fantastic albums and hits he's done stretching 26 years back, including some truly timeless classics, and I for one never get bored of hearing them, either on record or live, and I don't expect I ever will. If it's a cop-out to make a vast amount of people happy, then I'm happy Prince 'cops out'.

murph said:

Hi.

Yes, well like i said, its just my opinion. secondly, i never intented to ignite anything. I left this comment on the previous thread and the next person read it and wrote "spot on" after my comments.. so NO.

thirdly I explained myself twice about cop out. I will explain it again. I felt it was a cop out because he simply would have wanted (at some point) to get a better reaction from a non-prince, commercial audience. If ur not sure what they know, sing songs from Purple Rain. That to me, is a cop out- because he wanted a guarenteed rawkus reaction (which he never would have got from TAC alone etc)


Fourthly, my point was Prince was contradicting himself to what he has said countless times in interviews.. the past is the past,why revist and play purple rain for 20 years? he wants to move on, on record and live too.

I agree with prince on that. Prince has moved on, and he is not about the "Purple Rain" era. thats long gone.

Fithly, WE know prince isnt about that anymore. His sound has moved on. his bands have moved on. What about the NPG! playing 20 year old hits to get a big reaction totally undermines his achivements since purple rain.

Capish?

Now give me a hug u !!!

metalorange said:

Ur really glad prince is TRYING to promote himself, earn new legions of fans, make 3121 a big seller... yeah.. by getting the crowd to react to a Wendy and Lisa reunion sining purple rain songs!



Sorry to be blunt here but tw*t!! And (cough- B#llshit) to that statement.

We all know had he sung "ow wee oh....." and waited for reaction at the UK brit award, there would have been tumble weed.

U know it. Prince knew it. to me, it undermined himself and the last 20 years. If he wanted to attract NEW fans.. then sing NEW songs and stick to them. He aint about Purple rain anymore so why sing purple rain songs to attract them?

dont start then going into the songs that made u famous 20 years ago. Then they will buy 3121, and realise prince has changed, and not like it.


U liked the performance, u liked the choice. I didnt. But now u are plain talking fraff im afraid.

truth is no-one will ever know why prince went back on his many interview comments. If he wanted to prove that he is different, moved on, changed his band, changed his sound, become a deeper person, has done better things since Purple Rain etc then in my opinion he should have stood up there and PROVED it.

Why waste precious TV airtime. He should have been more true to himself, stood up there, and sing songs he's really about, and not give a crap about audience reaction. He chose to make himself look good and popular infront of the cameras (not a crime, but a cop out). prince is not usually like this. He should have stuck to his guns,and save a 20 year older lookin wendy and lisa for a gig at Paisly Park.

Just my opinion. Now u gimme a hug too!!

PurpleHouse said:

Incidently i dont think Te amo Corazon is that amazing a song, but hey.. thats where he is now. standing up and singing that when the audience dont know it, i rate him for that.His outfit was for that song. Then fury. and in my humble opinion, should have closed it with an Almightly funky remix of black sweat.

U know why?? coz thats what he is about now!!! and if i thought anyone cared for that more than anyone i thought it would be prince!

Hell his site has black sweat performance written all over it. And he didnt play it!!!!

why?

embarassed?

ashamed?

wouldnt go down well?

Wouldnt be the talk of the night??

No-one sing along?

No-one remember who he was?

Prince is a guy that did ATWIAD after Purple rain, to prove he was differnt and not going to sell out to a Purple Rain 2 type album.


To me it was very undermining, and watching him do "lets go Crazy" in some half church/rope/priest type thing instead of purple and white leather...

for goodness sake its a rock song! and he looked like he was going to break bread! (no disrespect, i liked the outfit when he was singing his new stuff.. new stuff, new image, supposed new band?!)


Look man, just my opinion. Its true that im in no place to judge. and as always, price does liek his surprises. Maybe thats all he intended. no real harm done. Just in my opinion, i would not have gone about it that way, and sharing it in here to see if others share a similar view. No big deal if no-one else does.

peace and dont forgat that hug now !!

http://www.coolclarity.co...opic=65298

thats a link to a chart website where they're talking about princes appearance at the brits. before you click, i should warn you its populated by ALOT of young people, who love pop music of the shittest variety, just warning you so you don't get too annoyed when they go 'yawn - boring!' to his performance!

i don't see the problem with him playing hits, even at the time noone on here seemed to believe it was genuinely going to be the last time, i'm surprised people are so pissed off. he made comments about not playing the hits but to be honest the main one was the leno show, when obviously he couldn't be evasive and had to give a more straight answer. I'm sure in some interviews he also pretty much denied that he was going to stop playing his hits.

I never believed it anyway, why would he stop playing his hits!? When the first you hear about something is because of music promoters, take it with an even bigger pinch of salt than if you heard it from prince!

PurpleHouse said:

You seem really concerned that Prince has gone back on promises about not performing his hits anymore.

Big deal. If you know anything about Prince you know he is a very changeable person. If you remember, he once said he was retiring from music 'to look for the ladder'. That predates this hits business, so by your logic you should be really pissed off he's done anything ever since! We all are allowed to change our minds on stuff.

As I have said before, explain to me what is wrong with an artist playing the songs that is mostly famous for? I bet any concert you go to by any band, they will play some or all of their hits if they have any. Why would you insist Prince behave any different?

Prince does ANYTHING commercial or to be popular, and you accuse him of copping out. It seems you would rather have Prince as an obscure indie artist with only hardcore fans and keep an event like a W&L reunion for a gig only you have the chance to witness.

Prince is many things. He is a lot about the new music - but he will also always be about the old music too. To say that 'He aint about Purple rain anymore' is bullshit. That will always be a part of him. In my experience, people have to come to terms with their past before they can move forward with their lives. There have been times when Prince has denied the past and refused to play his old stuff - but recently, as evidenced by the hit-laden Musicology tour, perhaps he has accepted his past and embraced it. That is finding maturity, as I've said before.

It's the same as actors who are famous for one role. They may go onto do other stuff, but everyone only remembers them for that one role. They can either accept it or deny it, it makes no difference to how the people will remember them. Peter Gabriel's Slegehammer was voted one of the best videos of all time. In an interview, he said 'well if I'm just gonna be remembered for that one video, it's not such a bad thing'. It's better to be remembered and renowned for something than nothing.
[Edited 2/20/06 15:09pm]

At what stage does Prince play in the Brit Awards television show?
The beginning, the middle or end?.

PurpleHouse said:

I don't do hugs, but I'll give you a handshake...And I'll offer you a triple shot of Jack D. to give you some form of clarity for your apparent confusion over Prince's Brit performance (LOL)...Here's a dose a reality..People love the hits...Under your well-articulated, but naive logic Paul MaCcartney (excuse the mis sp.) would have fit into your category of cop out by whipping out "Helta Skelta" (and later "Yesterday") at the Grammy's to appease the Beatles faithful after performing a track from his latest post Fab Four album...This from an artist that is much more revered and beloved than the midget...Surely the cute Beatle could get away with only playing a cut from his new release, right?...Well, no...

Paul knew the deal: My hardcore fans will follow me to the ends of the earth; but the general public wants to hear the hits (and this is from a giant of an artist who was nominated for Album of The Year in the same broadcast...) You forget that Prince himself was performing in front of a UK contingent that damn near forgot he was even alive and kicking...I mean, let's be honest about this...He didn't have any material nominated (Unlike Paul M. at the Grammy's) at the Brits; So what was Prince's rationale for the gig?: To create a buzz for an upcoming album, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, A TOUR...Welcome to showbusiness guys!!!!!

Now if he would have done the same thing on Saturday Night Live, that would be a blatant "cop out," to borrow your phrase...The difference being that one audiance (The Brits) clearly needed a "remember me" kick in the ass and the other (Saturday Night Live-----American, dog) clearly didn't because of the US success of the Musicology tour...It's the music industry guys, you give a little to take a little...Listen, I've gotten chewed out on this site for going against totally obsessive fans who swear Prince's piss is purple Koolaid...But your logic is, well, flawed...P has come to terms with the popularity and the defining legacy of Purple Rain for the general public who is not well-schooled Prince heads like us dedicated, but sometimes overtly rabid folks at the Org...I suggest you do the same...
[Edited 2/21/06 0:44am]

seekay said:

For the record, I have absolutely NO idea who this seekay person is, and/or why they would want to say something so rude to me that a mod would have to come in and snip it...

Now THIS kind of nonsense is why so many of us spend more time in P&R or GD than actually talking about Prince in his rightful forum, which is what we all pretty much came here to do in the first place!

I am confounded.

seekay said:

wrong person. i was accused of being someone else bunnywhoever and i just noted im not for the 2nd or 3rd time. so if u have to say GROW UP to someone that wouldnt be me. say something to the one that starts the fire and not to the one that defends himself saying the truth.

[Flame snip , take it to orgnotes - luv4u]

[Edited 2/21/06 1:54am]

I'm sitting here shaking my head in disbelief! Some of you guys want the moon on a stick! Are you ever happy?

I sat at home on Thursday evening and watched a mini Prince concert along with millions of others on TV. I thought it was a great performance musically and a smart one commercially.

As far as the UK goes, Prince was nowhere. He'd done nothing to enhance his image/reputation/bank balance for years and years. He was still being referred to as `squiggle` in some quarters. Previous appearances I can recall include not speaking or showing his face during an interview! Lordy! Give me a 12-minute-4-song-medley-even-if-2-are-20plusyrs-old on prime-time ITV1 any day.

I can't remember the last time Prince was talked about in such a positive manner in this country and I'm no spring chicken!

His Brits show gives him the perfect foundation for some success over here with his new album. And that's what it's all about, isn't it?

fathermcmeekle said:

Excatly!!
Now he's out there,enjoy it!

fathermcmeekle said:

Is it NOT ok to give an unfavorable review of the performance?
[Edited 2/21/06 4:58am]

PurpleCharm said:

It is quite alright Purple...in fact I think that's what seperates this site from "fam" controlled, propaganda-pushing Prince site....In my humble opinion, I believe criticizing the midget's actual performance is not only welcomed, it's a valued opinion...However, while I can't speak for everyone's else's underlining problem with your's and Seekay's post, my argument is quite simple...What I take issue with is this talk of "copping out" as if Prince was lowering his God-like standards to get-over big at the Brits...Can we strip away this notion that Prince is anything but a musician making his living in what's called the "music business?"...operative word on "business..."

However, Purple, your initial critique of the Brits performance is infinitely more layered and thoughtful than Seekay's knee jerk statements (again, no disrepect Seekay...you have some very strong views; I just disagree wholeheartedly)...You said TAC was a "snoozefest" yet gave positive notice of the "Purple Rain" performance, and I can respect that....I just take issue with some of your other comments...But hey, that's what makes this country supposedly great, right?
[Edited 2/21/06 5:48am]

murph said:

i respect and love u A LOT even when u blah blah blah and say nothing basically

seekay said:

I wasn't tryin to be disrespectful, homie...no need for the sarcasm...But hey, if you want to take it there, that's cool too...(Let's keep it clean...LOL)
[Edited 2/21/06 6:37am]

seekay said:

Isn't it actually a sporting term? And having studied both of the above for a while, and watched a lot of sport, I do feel it's not a a stupid question. However, it works well enough with a musical performance. On the other hand, Prince is rarely ITZ on TV, but I think in both the Fury/SNL perf and the Brits he was definitely not far off.

Whatever you guys think, the aim of this perf was clearly to remind the Brit public that he exists, as he has been pretty much forgotten by the mass media here. And on that count it was a huge success. On the music programmes over the wkd, they all did Brit Awards features, raving about Prince, and showing all other singers answering the question 'What was your highlight of the show?' with one word 'Prince!'

On at least one show, his new vid was shown as a 'hotshot'(new single) where nothing from Musicology was shown here.

Job done.

Oh, and besides all that, I loved the performance and have watched it back several times a day since. Can't please all of the people all of the time I guess.

Oh, and one last thing - such judgmental comments are not very buddhist in nature, but all the best on your path.

metalorange said:

He is in2 yoga and meditation so I'm sure he knows this

seekay said:

My my, you have sooo many turns on the wheel left

PurpleCharm said:

Nothing wrong with criticism, but we need to be realistic. The tone of some of the posts would lead you to believe it was 1986, not 2006. I think he was lucky to get a slot at the Brits at all, let alone 12 minutes!

murph said:

another of murph's knee jerk statements

sports psychology uses yoga

metalorange said:

Well i dont think prince wanted it that way, from what I have seen/heard. but maybe like u say, he has come to accept it. I dont know. my feelings as a loyal prince fan still hold. it was crowd pleasing to do purple rain hits.

fine. u liked that idea at the brits. He did it well, im not disputing that. i just didnt like the CHOICE of songs. its my opinion as a prince fan. end of.


And seeing as u freely admit it was crowdpleasing and he's going back on his word, again we agree. the only difference is, and I'll tone it down for u, i thought that was a BIT of a cop out in my humble, honest opinion. its not like prince. he usually does what he wants. someone made a joke story about him having to accept to do old hits if he wanted to appear at the brits.

ppl found it funny. i wonder why??!! Becuase we know prince usually isnt like that.

I still hold my opinion. i'll tone it down a little, not for u but becuase i dont mean to be mean to Prince. its just my opinion of what i wouldnt have/would have done. thats all. just making conversation with fans. i never said he was crap did i?? then, u could get upset and ur knickers in a twist!