Not to pee in the punch or diminish the work but W & L were basically good employees.

PurpleCharm said:

Well, technically you are right, we don't. But let's see, do you think Rhonda, Sonny T, Rosie Gaines, Tommy B etc. were just too busy to show up? They had more pressing engagements??? Yeah...that must be it.

GaryMF said:

Not we, it was you that made the assumption that Prince only invited Wendy, Lisa and Sheila and not anyone else. Now you have concluded that Rhonda, Sonny T, Rosie Gaines, Tommy B, etc could not possibly turn down a request from Prince, if one was made, to perform at the Brit Awards, because of couse there is no way they could have had more pressing engagements.

dewalliz said:

I agree about Lisa... I always found it really interesting that such unique piano playing (that can dart from delicate to fiery in an instant) comes from someone with such a "I don't give a fuck attitude". I really wish she would step forward a little more. I do think she's the more interesting, musically, of the two and I prefer her singing voice, as well.

JonnyApplesauce said:

Your response is not very coherent. The 1st sentence has nothing to do with the first.

It appears you are trying to say that fans wont' obsess over the others cuz they are black? I suppose that is why artists like Beyonce, Usher, Ciara, Ahsanti, etc. are huge, chart topping artists even though they are black too??

Otherwise are you trying to say Prince won't invite them cuz they are black??

BTW these are rhetorical questions, because I doubt I'll get a coherent response.

GaryMF said:

Nothing was incoherent. What is it w/ people on here and the personal bs? You dont understand whats being said to you. Thats not my problem its yours. Theres a marked, notable response from Prince's white fans to W & L. As a performer he gives the people what they want. We're not talking about other artists and/or their situations that have been made possible in part by Prince. We're talking about Prince. He lived in Andre Cymone's basement for years. I'm sure thats had a bigger effect on him than anybody in the Revolution. Yet, the fans want W & L. If the fans start threads ad nauseum about some Black people he worked w/, I guarantee, they will turn up on tour. But even a living legend toPrince himself like Larry Graham gets no luv from y'all.

This COULD be attributed to Wendy and Lisa; however, you must also take in consideration the stage in his career that Prince was at. He was on top of the pop world and he could do anything-so he did. I think without Wendy and Lisa, the sound might have altered , but the experimentation and adventurous would still be there. It was there before them-"Dirty Mind"- "1999" and was there after them. There are other 2 year chunks of Prince's career that are arguably as interesting as 1984-1986.[/b]

JonnyApplesauce said:

Well, if you care about people understanding what you're trying to say, it kinda does become your problem. if you just want to talk and don't care what people think of it, then I guess it's not.

yeah, living in Andre's basement probaby had a huge effect on him, but the topic of this thread was about song-writing, not impact on his life.

ME too. I wished she stepped forward more too. I do hear so much about Wendy (which I do get tired of hearing at times) but not so much about her, I mean as an individual.
ANd oh hell yeah I agreed her voice is twice... Okay 3000% better than Wendy's. I have a lot of respect for Lisa as an artist and her shyness makes her more interesting
If Blackguitaristz was here he would agreed since he and I shared the same views about Lisa, well musically.

But even a living legend toPrince himself like Larry Graham gets no luv from y'all.

GaryMF said:

When a few thousand paying fans start obsessing on them , he probably will but its not likely cuz theyre Black.

JonnyApplesauce said:

Probably because the first some of us saw of him with Prince was opening the tour, murdering his way through a selection of Sly's biggest hits in his nails down a chalk-board Darth Vader-cum-Cher voice and his Family Stone 'tribute' band, and I imagine the memory of hearing GCS2000 for the first (and last in many cases I assume) time is still a memory that is all too grusome to remember. Who can forget Prince gushing in interviews and liner notes for this cult nut-job and his 'possessed by the spirit' towel-waving wife and creepy wholesome kid there for no reason other than to presumably show Prince and the audience how much better it is to find solace in an infantile and morally-retarded mass socio-control belief system based on fairy-tales, criminally botched history, and out and out lies and deception.

Good for him, he played his unique brand of thumb-popping bass with Sly and then released a few records of his own that sounded like Sly out-takes. I didn't hear anything live, or on GCS2000 that justified the level of fanboy wet dreaming that Prince was spouting about his footnote of popular music hero at the time.

Harsh words for Larry - He didn't put anything out in his work with Prince that merits anything more than distain or ridicule - GCS2000 is an abysmal toss-off, and an actual insult to Larry if this was the best bunch of copy-cat songs Prince could chuck his way. Chaka's 'Come 2 My House' was much more satisfying, the material and artist made a far more pleasing combination.

You can talk about Black band members, and I'm gonna think of the ones who really had a special input in Prince's music and shows - Andre, Dez, Levi, Rosie, Michael & Sonny..... but none of them had the level of openness and collaborative song-writing input that Wendy & Lisa had with Prince - and that's not about colour, it's about Wendy & Lisa being sublime masons of quality melodic pop and R&B.
[Edited 2/15/06 23:34pm]

This thread is a case study in Prince fandom. Spooky

JonnyApplesauce said:

Well this is a Prince fan message board, what were you expecting to read?

NouveauDance said:

"Who can forget Prince gushing in interviews and liner notes for this cult nut-job and his 'possessed by the spirit' towel-waving wife and creepy wholesome kid there for no reason other than to presumably show Prince and the audience how much better it is to find solace in an infantile and morally-retarded mass socio-control belief system based on fairy-tales, criminally botched history, and out and out lies and deception."



you have got to be kidding, but something tells me youre not; the exponential levels of irony boggle the mind

You know Prince says cornball things like 'These songs are my children', well if Prince is the birth-giving patriach, during the Revolution days W&L were matriach figures to those new born, infant and adopted songs - Giving them form, structure, new input sources, freedom of imagination, nurture, a sense of self-realization, defined but Bohemian-esque freeform boundaries that allowed Prince's very malliable ego to have the confidence to be a free-spirit and not concern itself with other people's pre-conceptions about itself (as has been displayed continuously at various intervals in Prince's career since The Black Album's reactionary creation, burial and cold-hearted uncerimonious exhumation for it's Gold teeth by desperate reliatives in 1994..

sosgemini said:

I have not been argumentative. I have not made anything up. I never said I didnt care for W & L's music. You said that about me, like the other mischaracterizations you keep making about my posts because you dont like the substance of whats being said. Rather than trying to put words in my mouth, making up things about what I've said, why dont you accept my opinion w/out all the evil characterisations of it?
[Edited 2/15/06 21:59pm]

PurpleCharm said:

that would be called, humor.

remember that?

Probably because the first some of us saw of him with Prince was opening the tour, murdering his way through a selection of Sly's biggest hits in his nails down a chalk-board Darth Vader-cum-Cher voice and his Family Stone 'tribute' band, and I imagine the memory of hearing GCS2000 for the first (and last in many cases I assume) time is still a memory that is all too grusome to remember. Who can forget Prince gushing in interviews and liner notes for this cult nut-job and his 'possessed by the spirit' towel-waving wife and creepy wholesome kid there for no reason other than to presumably show Prince and the audience how much better it is to find solace in an infantile and morally-retarded mass socio-control belief system based on fairy-tales, criminally botched history, and out and out lies and deception.

Good for him, he played his unique brand of thumb-popping bass with Sly and then released a few records of his own that sounded like Sly out-takes. I didn't hear anything live, or on GCS2000 that justified the level of fanboy wet dreaming that Prince was spouting about his footnote of popular music hero at the time.

JonnyApplesauce said:

Which part is more worrying for you, my unceremonious criticism of Larry and his car-crash TV family, or my blunt description of religious cults?

I have not made anything up.

You ever heard the original Old Friends 4 Sale?

They say you lost your fire
Cuz another musician you hire
Little do they know
They wouldnta passed go
Unless they could take you higher

JonnyApplesauce said:

you said:

sosgemini said:

You evidently have never heard THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE not the vegas vamp on the Vault lp; THE ORIGINAL; after you hear it holla back

JonnyApplesauce said:

i have heard it..and like already mentioned within this thread, those lyrics are not about wendy and lisa.

so how about you go roll your eyes at someone else.

Not again damnit.

Seriously, Lisa and Wendy influenced Prince just as much he influenced them. It worked both ways. Even though 1985-86 wasn't my fav era, the obvious is there. Prince also had many influences from other people too, before and even after L&W, who helped him producing some great music even though he relied on less influences after 1986. Now that doesn't take away Prince's genius nor means that Lisa and Wendy influence are so likable as i liked their work on Purple Rain and Raspberry Beret but I didnt care for too much of Mountains and Sometimes it snows in april.

I digged Lisa more because she had unique piano playing skills and plus I adore her I don't give a fuck attitude and that goes back to my fav era Dirty Mind. She reminded me of Prince and that is why Prince had always perferred her as his sister. Wendy's okay guitarist and all but I didn't care a lot for her as much I cared for Dez and Andre. She's too overrated imho. If I get criticized from some of L&W's fans for not like them equally oh well because they are two different people with different styles.

Overall I am glad Prince and the ladies are on good terms again with each other. If Prince's happy of them to be part of his life again, so am I. Even though I wanted the whole Revolution reunited again but hey having a partial band is better than nothing. Life is too fucking short for long-term grudges. But how long this going to last who knows?

Like it or not that's my