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Reply #300 posted 02/20/06 4:00pm

Ifsixwuz9

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TurnItUp said:

WillyWonka said:



You seem to be under the naive or deluded (or arrogant?) assumption that everyone else in the world operates using the same set of values, emotions, and ideals that you do.

Just because YOU cannot fathom how Susan could, or would, stay in a situation where some other woman (Vanity) came into the picture and usurped the position of girlfriend and leader-of-the-group, doesn't prove or mean A THING in relation to how another person would handle, or react to, that same situation.

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Ain't no naive, delusion, arrogance or I can't fanthom (even though I really can't) the bottom line is Prince has never claimed Susan as his girlfriend or vice versa. Bottom line Susan like the other black women(Rosie Gaines, Boni Boyer, etc) have always been on the back burner except on a professional level. How come Susan couldn't sing like everybody else. Why she gotta talk on the songs? Her voice could not have been no worse than Vanity, Appolonia or, Brenda and speaking of Appolonia, you done got me started again. When Vanity left the group why could Susan (his so-called girlfriend) take over the lead of the group why he have to go get somebody that resembled Vanity and why'd he have to get somebody that WASN'T BLACK (Apollonia). It don't matter that Susan didn't want to be a star or upfront. Neither did Sheila E. and he still convinced her to sing and be a solo star. What was the deal with Susan if she's such his girlfriend. Because black was not his top preference.

We can keep going in circles. I won't shut up until it comes out of Susan or Prince's and NOBODY elses mouth that they were a couple.



lol all your suppositions and ifa'/woulda'/coulda's don't mean catbooshit to what actually happened. You don't know what you're talking about.
Again, sorry if people tend to believe associates and family members who were actually there and saw them together. You keep harping on this "until Susan/Prince says" mess... please Prince hasn't confirmed a lot of things that happened back in the day that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Reply #301 posted 02/20/06 7:28pm

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I seriously doubt she's a f**ing buddy. Prince is not into BLACK women on a romantic tip. She's talented to me. More talented than a Carmen Electra. Now she was an f**ing buddy, but she was also the typical Prince girl. Even Mani is typical Prince, even though folks dog her, but Tamar isn't.
Anada Lewis, Nona Gaye, Patrice Rushen, Sheila E., Scary Spice, Cat and Vanity are all Black women--- but Prince is not into Black women???? That would be a great question to ask the brotha and see what his response is lol He would laugh out loud like I am doing this very moment.
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Reply #302 posted 02/20/06 7:48pm

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everyone knows prince doesnt like black women and thats ok. im into prince's music so i try to push that aside and not think about it
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Reply #303 posted 02/20/06 8:30pm

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everyone knows prince doesnt like black women and thats ok. im into prince's music so i try to push that aside and not think about it


Prince does seem to have no problem dating white/hispanic/whatever women. His choosing to have interracial relationships never really bothered me. At first I was like, oh no, I hope he is not one of those screwed up black guys that goes after us because he sees us as some sort of trophy and status symbol but then I realised he HAS dated lots of beautiful black women and gave them lots of career opportunites like he has his non-black girlfriends. I think just because a person is curious about dating outside their race doesn't mean they can't think people of their race attractive. Just because Prince can find white women attractive does not mean he doesn't mean he dislikes black women. You gotta remember too that he grew up in Minnesota. There are ALOT of white people here! I know that I'm easily attracted to white guys because I grew up with alot of them.
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Reply #304 posted 02/20/06 11:22pm

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zsazsa said:

everyone knows prince doesnt like black women and thats ok. im into prince's music so i try to push that aside and not think about it



What was Vanity and Nona Gaye (not to get in old boy's business...)
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Reply #305 posted 02/21/06 5:46am

TurnItUp

Ifsixwuz9 said:

TurnItUp said:




Ain't no naive, delusion, arrogance or I can't fanthom (even though I really can't) the bottom line is Prince has never claimed Susan as his girlfriend or vice versa. Bottom line Susan like the other black women(Rosie Gaines, Boni Boyer, etc) have always been on the back burner except on a professional level. How come Susan couldn't sing like everybody else. Why she gotta talk on the songs? Her voice could not have been no worse than Vanity, Appolonia or, Brenda and speaking of Appolonia, you done got me started again. When Vanity left the group why could Susan (his so-called girlfriend) take over the lead of the group why he have to go get somebody that resembled Vanity and why'd he have to get somebody that WASN'T BLACK (Apollonia). It don't matter that Susan didn't want to be a star or upfront. Neither did Sheila E. and he still convinced her to sing and be a solo star. What was the deal with Susan if she's such his girlfriend. Because black was not his top preference.

We can keep going in circles. I won't shut up until it comes out of Susan or Prince's and NOBODY elses mouth that they were a couple.



lol all your suppositions and ifa'/woulda'/coulda's don't mean catbooshit to what actually happened. You don't know what you're talking about.
Again, sorry if people tend to believe associates and family members who were actually there and saw them together. You keep harping on this "until Susan/Prince says" mess... please Prince hasn't confirmed a lot of things that happened back in the day that doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Yeah he has he confirmed Vanity was his woman and most definitely so has Vanity. I believing the truth and not YOUR catbullshit. I don't give a s**t about no associates and nobody else because they could've not been telling the truth or they probably didn't even say it. If it didn't come from THEM, bottom line, it ain't true. I ain't never heard of Susan until I read the book Possessed and that book was bulls**t and so are you. Looks to me that I'm not the only one harping on the Prince/Susan mess because you making sure you keepin' this ball rolling. Prince and Susan were NOT a couple. He wasn't into black.
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Reply #306 posted 02/21/06 6:04am

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TurnItUp said:




I seriously doubt she's a f**ing buddy. Prince is not into BLACK women on a romantic tip. She's talented to me. More talented than a Carmen Electra. Now she was an f**ing buddy, but she was also the typical Prince girl. Even Mani is typical Prince, even though folks dog her, but Tamar isn't.
Anada Lewis, Nona Gaye, Patrice Rushen, Sheila E., Scary Spice, Cat and Vanity are all Black women--- but Prince is not into Black women???? That would be a great question to ask the brotha and see what his response is lol He would laugh out loud like I am doing this very moment.
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I commented on this before and I'm fend to say it again.
Ananda Lewis: There was never even a 'rumor" that he dated/f**d her.

Patrice Rushen: Had a crush on her, but never heard or confirmed that it developed more than that.

Nona Gaye: She said it out of HER MOUTH. That she was his girlfriend, but he didn't put her up on a pedestal like he did Mayte and who did he end up marrying. Put I'll give you 1 point for Nona.

Sheila E.: First of all Sheila ain't 100% black(I thought she was when I first saw her)she's Hispanic. Don't count. and it was never proven that they were a couple or that they even slept together. If Prince did hit that, so what cuz
Sheila was typical Prince. She's not an all the way black woman. Escovedo.

Cat: Another one he favored and loved, but never proven or even a "rumor" that they were messing around. But you're right she is black.

Scary Spice: Never heard nothin' about her either and you're not going to because she's too busy batting for the other team right now razz As far as I know she's black, but she has that biracial look as well. Ima find out

Vanity/Troy Beyer: They are black in society, but in reality and with Prince they still had some white in them which made it better. Plus you forgot Prince don't drink his coffee black. He got to have his CREAM. He even said it 3 Chains O Gold. They don't count either because both are biracial. Vanity mother's white and Troy's father is white.

There you have it and thank you zsazsa for being the only one that's facing the truth and the only one with common sense here. Thank you. Oh and about Prince's response: His only response would be "you got that right" cuz what did he MARRY TWICE: Mayte: (Hispanic)Puerto Rican, but he tried to pass her off as a middle eastern princess. (ha) Mani: Canadian, Irish, and a "mixture of a bunch of things" just like he described his "mother" Let's see him marry somebody like Tamar and then I'll shut up. lol
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Reply #307 posted 02/21/06 6:09am

TurnItUp

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zsazsa said:

everyone knows prince doesnt like black women and thats ok. im into prince's music so i try to push that aside and not think about it



What was Vanity and Nona Gaye (not to get in old boy's business...)


Vanity is biracial. Her mother is white. She even had pictures of her on her website denisematthews.com and when I saw her back in July at a retreat she even talked about how when her mother remarried she wanted to live with her mother as teenager, but she couldn't because her newly 'stepdaddy' didn't want her or her sisters living with them cuz he didn't want no black kids.

Nona is 100% black. I did give a point for her.
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Reply #308 posted 02/21/06 3:51pm

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Ifsixwuz9 said:




lol all your suppositions and ifa'/woulda'/coulda's don't mean catbooshit to what actually happened. You don't know what you're talking about.
Again, sorry if people tend to believe associates and family members who were actually there and saw them together. You keep harping on this "until Susan/Prince says" mess... please Prince hasn't confirmed a lot of things that happened back in the day that doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Yeah he has he confirmed Vanity was his woman and most definitely so has Vanity. I believing the truth and not YOUR catbullshit. I don't give a s**t about no associates and nobody else because they could've not been telling the truth or they probably didn't even say it. If it didn't come from THEM, bottom line, it ain't true. I ain't never heard of Susan until I read the book Possessed and that book was bulls**t and so are you. Looks to me that I'm not the only one harping on the Prince/Susan mess because you making sure you keepin' this ball rolling. Prince and Susan were NOT a couple. He wasn't into black.



I"m convinced of one thing and it has nothing to do with P or Susan. lol And for the record I hadn't posted on this thread for several days and other folks were still calling you out on your asinine logic. So in fact I did not keep this thread going. I'm done with it now though. tata..


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Reply #309 posted 02/21/06 6:11pm

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Reply #310 posted 02/21/06 6:50pm

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TurnItUp said:

Klove said:

Anada Lewis, Nona Gaye, Patrice Rushen, Sheila E., Scary Spice, Cat and Vanity are all Black women--- but Prince is not into Black women???? That would be a great question to ask the brotha and see what his response is lol He would laugh out loud like I am doing this very moment.
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I commented on this before and I'm fend to say it again.
Ananda Lewis: There was never even a 'rumor" that he dated/f**d her.

Patrice Rushen: Had a crush on her, but never heard or confirmed that it developed more than that.

Nona Gaye: She said it out of HER MOUTH. That she was his girlfriend, but he didn't put her up on a pedestal like he did Mayte and who did he end up marrying. Put I'll give you 1 point for Nona.

Sheila E.: First of all Sheila ain't 100% black(I thought she was when I first saw her)she's Hispanic. Don't count. and it was never proven that they were a couple or that they even slept together. If Prince did hit that, so what cuz
Sheila was typical Prince. She's not an all the way black woman. Escovedo.

Cat: Another one he favored and loved, but never proven or even a "rumor" that they were messing around. But you're right she is black.

Scary Spice: Never heard nothin' about her either and you're not going to because she's too busy batting for the other team right now razz As far as I know she's black, but she has that biracial look as well. Ima find out

Vanity/Troy Beyer: They are black in society, but in reality and with Prince they still had some white in them which made it better. Plus you forgot Prince don't drink his coffee black. He got to have his CREAM. He even said it 3 Chains O Gold. They don't count either because both are biracial. Vanity mother's white and Troy's father is white.

There you have it and thank you zsazsa for being the only one that's facing the truth and the only one with common sense here. Thank you. Oh and about Prince's response: His only response would be "you got that right" cuz what did he MARRY TWICE: Mayte: (Hispanic)Puerto Rican, but he tried to pass her off as a middle eastern princess. (ha) Mani: Canadian, Irish, and a "mixture of a bunch of things" just like he described his "mother" Let's see him marry somebody like Tamar and then I'll shut up. lol

I'm not at all cosigning all of this, but this was a pretty funny read. falloff
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
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Reply #311 posted 02/22/06 5:55am

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

TurnItUp said:



Yeah he has he confirmed Vanity was his woman and most definitely so has Vanity. I believing the truth and not YOUR catbullshit. I don't give a s**t about no associates and nobody else because they could've not been telling the truth or they probably didn't even say it. If it didn't come from THEM, bottom line, it ain't true. I ain't never heard of Susan until I read the book Possessed and that book was bulls**t and so are you. Looks to me that I'm not the only one harping on the Prince/Susan mess because you making sure you keepin' this ball rolling. Prince and Susan were NOT a couple. He wasn't into black.


tata...p.s. you kept it goin' cuz here's another comment. That's alright I still ya.


I"m convinced of one thing and it has nothing to do with P or Susan. lol And for the record I hadn't posted on this thread for several days and other folks were still calling you out on your asinine logic. So in fact I did not keep this thread going. I'm done with it now though. tata..


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Reply #312 posted 02/23/06 7:23pm

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W.. T...F...

The Hard Core Fans can vouch for this.. but for all of his professional life Prince has mentored and coached men and women who may not have gotten a chance to showcase their talent otherwise-by bringing them into his band. Neither Wendy, Lisa, Bonnie, Rosie, nor Marvis were sex goddesses. Tony M sucked as a rapper, but Prince let him rap on his songs. I can't imagine a record label signing him to rap-as a solo artist. Prince has always kind of looked out for people in this way. I havent' heard Tamar yet, but if she is shy, this probably is a big attraction for Prince. A pretty face with OVERT Sexuality/Sensuality is a highly marketable combination. I don't think the record companies promote artists very well at all,I think artists have to promote themselves- largely. A Shy female Solo singer is at a bit of a disadvantage in this game. Plus.. prince was a demon at times in his past, in that he didnt' always do right by others (especially women)- in a big, ugly way. When a person has truely been "born again" through whatever religion, the change of heart may lead that person to make sacrifices to help, or be of service, to others. I really think this is a spritual decision for prince, but Tamar had to have some gifted- talent that he could work with....



I'm giving Prince the benefit of the doubt....
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Reply #313 posted 03/22/06 4:09pm

Klove

Well I think it is quite obvious that she means something to him because he is on her website hugging her painted portrait (tamaronline.com)as to say, "This is my new woman!" Love it or Hate It! I choose to love it he got him a good lookin' Chocolate Sista finally.... cool Big ups to all my beautiful chocolate queens!!!
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Reply #314 posted 03/22/06 5:56pm

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I HAVE 2 WORDS FOR EVERYONE: MARVA KING (GORGEOUS BLACK WOMEN) DID HE HIT IT! WHAT BLACK MAN WOULD'NT UHHH BY THE WAY SHE COULD REALLY SING EXAMPLE "STILL THE ONE"
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Reply #315 posted 03/22/06 5:58pm

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You don't have to know Prince to know that he obviously loves all kinds of women..as long as they are beautiful.
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Reply #316 posted 03/22/06 6:40pm

Voidra

We saw it in Miami. She is like a VERY young Tina Turner. That girl had shivers running down everyones arms - she poured her heart and soul into her performance. I think you'll see soon.


IdeaLady said:

lol lol As with MOST of the ladies Prince "Nudges" into the spot lite..This one also seems 2 lack noticable talent and is still very shy...But he can C something most of us don't C ... At least, not yet....Shiela E. was about the only one I can think of who's "Glamorous Life" did well.on the charts...Also,.He never released :Dream Factory" with Wendy and Lisa...It was probably great 2 !!! I've heard there was some fanastic tunes with those 3 singing together.... confused Let's just wait... He's always been full of surprises.
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Reply #317 posted 03/22/06 8:04pm

Klove

TurnItUp said:

Klove said:

Anada Lewis, Nona Gaye, Patrice Rushen, Sheila E., Scary Spice, Cat and Vanity are all Black women--- but Prince is not into Black women???? That would be a great question to ask the brotha and see what his response is lol He would laugh out loud like I am doing this very moment.
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I commented on this before and I'm fend to say it again.
Ananda Lewis: There was never even a 'rumor" that he dated/f**d her.

Patrice Rushen: Had a crush on her, but never heard or confirmed that it developed more than that.

Nona Gaye: She said it out of HER MOUTH. That she was his girlfriend, but he didn't put her up on a pedestal like he did Mayte and who did he end up marrying. Put I'll give you 1 point for Nona.

Let all of these women you have said are not black go out into society as just "Average Janes" and they will be treated like black women not biracial women so let's keep it real!! They are not going to say pull out your card and let's see what percentage of white or hispanic you are lol .....The will see the darkness of their skin and conclude they are black....

Sheila E.: First of all Sheila ain't 100% black(I thought she was when I first saw her)she's Hispanic. Don't count. and it was never proven that they were a couple or that they even slept together. If Prince did hit that, so what cuz
Sheila was typical Prince. She's not an all the way black woman. Escovedo.

Cat: Another one he favored and loved, but never proven or even a "rumor" that they were messing around. But you're right she is black.

Scary Spice: Never heard nothin' about her either and you're not going to because she's too busy batting for the other team right now razz As far as I know she's black, but she has that biracial look as well. Ima find out

Vanity/Troy Beyer: They are black in society, but in reality and with Prince they still had some white in them which made it better. Plus you forgot Prince don't drink his coffee black. He got to have his CREAM. He even said it 3 Chains O Gold. They don't count either because both are biracial. Vanity mother's white and Troy's father is white.

There you have it and thank you zsazsa for being the only one that's facing the truth and the only one with common sense here. Thank you. Oh and about Prince's response: His only response would be "you got that right" cuz what did he MARRY TWICE: Mayte: (Hispanic)Puerto Rican, but he tried to pass her off as a middle eastern princess. (ha) Mani: Canadian, Irish, and a "mixture of a bunch of things" just like he described his "mother" Let's see him marry somebody like Tamar and then I'll shut up. lol
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Reply #318 posted 03/22/06 8:16pm

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my fav funkster says his connections to the P camp say she's P's new girlfriend.
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Reply #319 posted 03/22/06 9:04pm

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As it has already been stated, none of us know all the people that Prince has or hasn't been with or who he is or isn't attracted to.

About 6 years ago, former Miss USA, Kenya Moore, was on a radio station promoting the movie "Trois." The dj must have asked her about something that shocked her. Well, she stated that she had gotten a call from Prince and he told her that he thought she was pretty or something like that. Trying to be cautious in her words, she said that she was shocked because she didn't think that she was his type. Well, like so many other people, she probably thought his "type" was supposedly dark-haired, olive complexion, bi-racial/racially-ambiguous women (she didn't come out and say that). Ms. Moore definitely doesn't fit the description of a "typical" woman that P is supposedly attracted to. Plus, Kenya is probably close to 6 feet tall. lol


Kenya Moore



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Reply #320 posted 03/23/06 12:44am

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he wants to be seen to be helping someone
vanity
he picked a kind soul cuz they are easy to mould
and they dont challenge his intelligence
nice n naive
just like he likes em
so he can play 'papa'
just another ego trip

any woman that has stood up to him
or challenged him
or disagreed one too many times
he has kicked to the curb

talent or no talent

it aint about the music with him
its about c o n t r o l

heart
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Reply #321 posted 03/23/06 5:06am

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She might as well do a duet with Tony M.
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Reply #322 posted 03/23/06 7:37am

TurnItUp

Krystal666 said:

You don't have to know Prince to know that he obviously loves all kinds of women..as long as they are beautiful.

....and as long as they're not black.
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Reply #323 posted 03/23/06 12:29pm

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TurnItUp said:

Krystal666 said:

You don't have to know Prince to know that he obviously loves all kinds of women..as long as they are beautiful.

....and as long as they're not black.


hmmm Black? I don't know about that. I'd say as long as they're not really fat. smile
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Reply #324 posted 03/24/06 3:40am

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TurnItUp said:


....and as long as they're not black.


hmmm Black? I don't know about that. I'd say as long as they're not really fat. smile


you're right and not black. As repeated before, Nona said that P was her boyfriend and if he was he was, but she was not on his arm like somebody we know (Mayte) and who did he marry? and who did marry the second time?
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Reply #325 posted 03/24/06 4:15am

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She might as well do a duet with Tony M.

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Reply #326 posted 03/24/06 4:40am

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TurnItUp said:

Krystal666 said:



hmmm Black? I don't know about that. I'd say as long as they're not really fat. smile


you're right and not black. As repeated before, Nona said that P was her boyfriend and if he was he was, but she was not on his arm like somebody we know (Mayte) and who did he marry? and who did marry the second time?


Yep and you were overly generous before because even though nobody is 100% anything, Nona's mother has a white parent. Maybe that comforting knowledge was enough for Prince to accept her. wink
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Reply #327 posted 03/24/06 4:58am

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FanofDaFascist said:



I agree. He's putting way too much energy into her for just a protege. Even as I watched those dance moves the girls did on SNL; It was obvious they were totally Prince's idea. After all, he's the one who's been talking about Tina Turner and The Ikettes. I doubt Tamar has a clue who the Ikettes were and those dance moves were almost a carbon copy of Tina's old moves. Prince has never before done so much to push a protege: Concerts, media and what...an appearance on SNL before her album has dropped? Her voice isn't top shelf, she's pretty, but come on.Prince gotta be hittin that.
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Exactamundo!!!! I don't know why people at this place thinks this is hating, it's just being honest, the truth hurts. If you have any sense you recognize Prince's patterns with protege's and such. The only one he didn't push was his current wife, most notably because she has 0 talent but 98% beauty.....u know he gets bored with that....

i would be a fool to believe that Tamar is "just" his protege and he is "just" her mentor...please
[Edited 2/6/06 10:13am]Everything said after Exactamundo is dead on. If you happen to have an opion that isn't Prince worship, you're a hater . I don't hate ---Too much wasted energy and it's not a part of my human makeup- but I have strong musical opions because I am one , a successful one , but if your opinion is not inline with"THE NPGMC " you are deemed a hater, thats Bull. I do think P is goin' over the top with Tamar a bit though PEACE DAC
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Reply #328 posted 03/24/06 11:47am

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Krystal666 said:



hmmm Black? I don't know about that. I'd say as long as they're not really fat. smile


you're right and not black. As repeated before, Nona said that P was her boyfriend and if he was he was, but she was not on his arm like somebody we know (Mayte) and who did he marry? and who did marry the second time?


You do realise Robin Power was black don't you?
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Reply #329 posted 03/27/06 8:27am

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TurnItUp said:



you're right and not black. As repeated before, Nona said that P was her boyfriend and if he was he was, but she was not on his arm like somebody we know (Mayte) and who did he marry? and who did marry the second time?


Yep and you were overly generous before because even though nobody is 100% anything, Nona's mother has a white parent. Maybe that comforting knowledge was enough for Prince to accept her. wink



Janice parent is white, but Nona , she is straight up 100% black. Now that you mentioned it I'm surprised Prince didn't try to date her mother. She's more "typical" than Nona. You got something there.
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