love74 said:

Because they can't sing well, their dancing is distracting (not in a good way), they aren't that interesting to look at, and if they weren't twins there really would be nothing special about them. They are there to provide T&A and even their T's & A's aren't that great.

jone70 said:

Sorry but I LOVE THEM TWINS

Um...speak for YOURSELF, buddy, because those twins... =

WORD...people get so jealous when it comes to Prince men and women. Tamar and the twins look damn good with P

I think they should stay. They are no different than Diamond and Pearl and we all loved them! Besides Prince is known for having women sex up his stage sets so this is nothing new. I think it adds to his stage show.

Krystal666 said:

Speak for yourself Imho, D&P couldn't sing either and didn't look that great...and technically D&P weren't twins. I'm not disputing that P hasn't had women "sexing up" his shows. I guess I'm just not into back-up dancers in general (Mayte got on my nerves and was never that crazy about Cat either).
[Edited 2/16/06 20:20pm]

ChristopherTracyParade said:

If by buddy you mean guy, then you are mistaken...I'm a hetero female so...I'm definitely not into them like that. What is it about guys & twin fantasies? [/b]

jone70 said:

Hey, I don't care if you have sex with a goat and 2 mongooses, you made the comment and all I did was just respond to your comment. The twins are fine, now I don't know if it's one of those women thangs where they don't like other pretty women and decide to shit on them but I see no harm in having them around.

ChristopherTracyParade said:

Why does it have to be reduced to a "woman thang" if I am not drooling over these two girls? Saying I think they can't sing is not 'shitting on them'. Shitting on them (imo) would be saying something rude like, "They look like skanky ho's" or something. Which, for the record, I do NOT think they look like skanky ho's. And I think Ta'mar is cute and an okay singer, so your theory about me not liking other pretty women is not really working out...

I guess I would just rather see Prince perform with talented musicians/singers than with a bunch of T&A--if I want that I can watch hip-hop videos or a porno.

jone70 said:

Hey, I don't care if you have sex with a goat and 2 mongooses, you made the comment and all I did was just respond to your comment. The twins are fine, now I don't know if it's one of those women thangs where they don't like other pretty women and decide to shit on them but I see no harm in having them around.

There's a lot of naive optimism in those who don't face up to colour prejudice. As beautiful as Tamar is by African beauty standards it's not by chance that Beyonce, Mya, Ashanti, Ciara etc are all lighter skinned, in straight wigs and with less negroid features.

Tamar hasn't got the look to endear herself to western mainstream audiences. Both black and whites have been engineered to accept only the more dilluted versions of black womanhood and image is as important as the music itself to many. The dancing twins will always get more male attention than Tamar with their accessible look.

A lot of fans here just have problems with Prince finally embracing his black roots of course in recent times. Both via song lyrics and who he surrounds himself with.

There's a lot of naive optimism in those who don't face up to colour prejudice. As beautiful as Tamar is by African beauty standards it's not by chance that Beyonce, Mya, Ashanti, Ciara etc are all lighter skinned, in straight wigs and with less negroid features.

Tamar hasn't got the look to endear herself to western mainstream audiences. Both black and whites have been engineered to accept only the more dilluted versions of black womanhood and image is as important as the music itself to many. The dancing twins will always get more male attention than Tamar with their accessible look.

A lot of fans here just have problems with Prince finally embracing his black roots of course in recent times. Both via song lyrics and who he surrounds himself with.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Jill Jones would wipe the floor with her...
As someone who has seen them both live Jill Jones is the stronger vocalist by a mile, doesn't mean Tamar isn't good...

Neversin.
[Edited 2/6/06 17:32pm]

SpecialEd said:

Double yep!!
yep !

Have you ever seen JJ's performance of Violet Blue on Italian TV? No comparison, really.

Because she is beautiful and she can sing. She is not groundbreaking and I am not denying that but she is the best protege that Prince have since Jill Jones. I think with the proper promotion, she is going to do well particularly in the urban or r&B audience.

I fucking love her performance as a backup singer too and she was getting down with the twins.

I do like Beautiful, Love, and Blessed and I am still trying to remind myself it is hers, not a Prince song. It is uplifting and also very positive. Hell her song blows out the crap that it is out there today.

Unlike half of the people on the org, I am going to buy her new album which comes out on May 7th? Or May 2nd? I am spreading the word about her to my peeps on myspace and they are digging her.

I just hope Prince is going to treat this sista right and not end up screwing her like he did with Jill. But it seems like for now he is very exciting about her and also giving her time to shine.

I don't know either how her and Prince connected yet but we are going to surely find out.

TurnItUp said:

Just curious. People are saying that it did happen. Why do you think this is this happening?

I find it interesting that out of all of Prince's weak singing proteges, the Vanity, Appolonias, Carmen Electra, Mayte, that here we have a woman who can sing and some of you are dissing her voice and saying she has no talent.

When asked, no talent in comparison to who, some of you came up with ridiculous examples like Wendy, Lisa and Sheila E who are more instrumentalists than singers and worse yet, Jill Jones who I have not seen in over a decade.

It's one thing to not like the music, but I believe those who claim she's untalented has something personal against her. Just for that reason I really hope she does extremely well with her debut and I'm going to be front and center to support her every way.

altavista said:

Are you joking??
If this is the last time, or even the only time, you've seen JJ perform than I've got news for you: she has been performing live the 15 years after that performance so go watch something she's done since her Prince days ok...
What you said is like saying "Tamar's sings way better than Prince, have you ever seen his performance on SNL in 1981? No comparison really..."

But like I said having seen them both live JJ is the better singer by far...

Neversin.
[Edited 2/19/06 8:18am]

Most of you know nothing about real RnB music or singers.

I don't understand this wonder about Jill Jones awful voice.

The CD did not sell because know one can take that woman's yelling or crying or whatever she calls herself during.

Pondwater said:

NOT! She don't look shit like him.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I don't care what chu say. If Susan was Prince's girl why didn't we see her on the front cover of a Rolling Stone magazine or better yet why didn't he have her on his arm at the Grammys long before Vanity came alone. I don't buy the shit. How is Prince gonna be my man and this other more beautiful and BIRACIAL I might add gone start being my man's new woman and I still in the group why she leads. I'm sure Susan's voice couldn't been no worse than Vanity's. BULLSHIT! and about Nona I only seen that one picture of the two of them sitting in an audience like they're at some fashion show and that's it. Even in the LoveSign video, the part where they was supposed to had slept together, how come he couldn't be freaky with her like he was with Diamond and Pearl in the Gett Off video or even the girl in the Kiss video. Hint: Nona'snot "typical"

She said he was her boyfriend in Essence, but there's a diffence between a boyfriend and a fuck friend!. I repeat, she said it herself he announced he was engaged to whom and who had on the wedding ring. Mayte.

As far as Susannah goes, Susannah is definitely "typical" Prince. I heard about them back them supposely engaged. No he didn't flaunt it, but the one picture I saw of them, I'll believe Susannah because Prince's preference has always been LIGHT or WHITE. You can believe the BS I choose not to.

TurnItUp said:

That means nothing. If you saw my oldest daughter and me you would not guess that she is my natural daughter. She took completely after her father, except she has my blood type.

The thought had crossed my mind too, because the kind of affection he shows toward her is not like he's done with his proteges that he was romantically involved with. It came across like they were relatives. I thought maybe she could be his daughter or his neice.
[Edited 2/19/06 15:13pm]

TurnItUp said:

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In Dez Dickerson's book, "My Time With Prince", he shows pictures of his wedding, during the early days of Prince (Dirty Mind, I think). Prince and Susan came to Dez's wedding together. Dez also mentioned that Prince was sleeping with Denise (Vanity) and Susan, and he heard that Jill was in the mix also. So the dude is definitely a playa. How he pulled it all off, I don't know, but he did it.

I also saw a transcript from an interview that Nona and Natalie Cole did where Nona expressed her hurt over how Prince broke if off with her. She said that she was at a Prince show and Mayte flashed the engagement ring at her and that was the last time she saw Prince.

tmo1965 said:

I've already posted that before about Nona talking about Prince as her "boyfriend" in Essence, but who did he choose in the end. but it came from NONA'S LIPS AND NOBODY ELSES. Who gives a shit about what Dez's book says; ,it still didn't come from PRINCE AND SUSAN'S lips and I don't see a picture posted of them as a item. I definitely know Vanity was his main vain because he basically married a clone of her with Mani, and I definitely believe Jill was one of his girls because she's "typical" Prince.

TurnItUp said:

Google Susan Moonsie and click a few links.

You do the math. How the hell am I in a relationship with somebody and then all of a sudden some bitch(Vanity) comes along(I don't give a s**t if she wanted to be a star and I didn't) and not only f**k my main, but she takes my place as his new lady and she is the leader of the group I should be the leader of. I ain't buying it. But thanks for giving me the links. Still no juice.

SpecialEd said:

Best post of this thread. This is front page quote worthy.

TurnItUp said:

You seem to be under the naive or deluded (or arrogant?) assumption that everyone else in the world operates using the same set of values, emotions, and ideals that you do.

Just because YOU cannot fathom how Susan could, or would, stay in a situation where some other woman (Vanity) came into the picture and usurped the position of girlfriend and leader-of-the-group, doesn't prove or mean A THING in relation to how another person would handle, or react to, that same situation.