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Printableemilio319 said: If a cop sees me jaywalking, he has the right to give me a ticket, but why be an asshole about it? Especially when I'm just jaywalking to do something good. [Edited 1/31/06 7:35am] yeah, but when you decide to jaywalk, you assume the risk of being stopped by an asshole cop. the cop has a right to be an asshole. you don't have a right to jaywalk. will the jaywalking hurt anyone? probably not. but you still do it knowing the possible consequences. | |
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Anx said: emilio319 said: If a cop sees me jaywalking, he has the right to give me a ticket, but why be an asshole about it? Especially when I'm just jaywalking to do something good. [Edited 1/31/06 7:35am] yeah, but when you decide to jaywalk, you assume the risk of being stopped by an asshole cop. the cop has a right to be an asshole. you don't have a right to jaywalk. will the jaywalking hurt anyone? probably not. but you still do it knowing the possible consequences. You are absolutely correct! So I guess we have come to the conclusion that Prince is an asshole! | |
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Anx said: emilio319 said: Yes I have. This material is over 20 years old! What's the point of stopping the flow of it....Who do you think is looking at it? Only the HARDCORE life-long fans are looking at it. If he's gonna release it then release that shit already. Like I said, all the people that have the bootleg will STILL buy an official release (most likely) if he just adds a few bonus stuff...maybe an interview or something minor like that. This only helps the artist by promoting him. But if you are not gonna release it, then allow the fans to share it cuz the material needs to be heard. I know there are people that are still gonna argue that it's the artists' material and he has the right, blah, blah, blah....Yes he does but I think this is a case of an artist being completely anal! It's kinda like when Metallica sued Napster. These guys are super freakin' rich and they are making a big stink over their music being swapped on Napster....By swapping music on Napster they probably gained a ton of new fans who had never bought their cd's before but maybe heard some free tracks and then went out and got the cd. I know I have downloaded tons of music and when I hear something I really like I go out and buy the cd and a lot of people are like that. i may relate to what you're saying on an emotional level, but on a rational level, you're just plain wrong. the only person who can tell prince what to do with that stuff is prince. j.d. salinger is supposed to have piles of unpublished manuscripts in his home. should the feds raid his house so his fans can read what he's been writing over the decades? no. the man put out what he wanted us to read. he has a right to compose stories for his own enjoyment, or for whatever reason he wants. ya know? totally. i agree with that. it's prince's right to release whatever he deems releasable... HOWEVER, i also think life is too short to hold back what is some of one's best work in comparison to some of the released stuff... i totally understand the artistic perspective though being one myself... i shudder at some of the demos i've sent off to record companies in the past, for example. some things ARE better off unreleased. but in the case of prince... he's got some GREAT demos. | |
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i ain't sweating it, because the folks who posted up the stuff had to have been absolute dullards to post the chit out in the open as it is.
seems like some fans have the tendency to forget about the brotha's sue-happy attitude towards shit like this and woulda had taken more care to perhaps be more discreet about it, but nooooo...in cases like this, serves 'em right. youtube.com is a cool place, but for fuck's sake, people...think before you upload & share. | |
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emilio319 said: OdysseyMiles said: I know a lot of you are pissed off, but has anyone here even tried to look at this from an artist's point of view?
Yes I have. This material is over 20 years old! What's the point of stopping the flow of it....Who do you think is looking at it? Only the HARDCORE life-long fans are looking at it. If he's gonna release it then release that shit already. Like I said, all the people that have the bootleg will STILL buy an official release (most likely) if he just adds a few bonus stuff...maybe an interview or something minor like that. This only helps the artist by promoting him. I see your point here, but I also empathize with the artist on this one. Free promotion is one thing, but when the sound and/or video quality is comparable to dog crap, an artist may think twice about whether they want that kind of promotion, free or not. But if you are not gonna release it, then allow the fans to share it cuz the material needs to be heard. I know there are people that are still gonna argue that it's the artists' material and he has the right, blah, blah, blah....
Not the most satisfying argument for a fan to hear, but it's the truth nonetheless. Yes he does but I think this is a case of an artist being completely anal! It's kinda like when Metallica sued Napster. These guys are super freakin' rich and they are making a big stink over their music being swapped on Napster....By swapping music on Napster they probably gained a ton of new fans who had never bought their cd's before but maybe heard some free tracks and then went out and got the cd. I know I have downloaded tons of music and when I hear something I really like I go out and buy the cd and a lot of people are like that.
That's cool, but not everyone who downloads music (legally or illegally) is the same way. | |
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emilio319 said: You are absolutely correct! So I guess we have come to the conclusion that Prince is an asshole! well, i think we've come to the conclusion that some people have a right to their assholism, and others do not. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: i ain't sweating it, because the folks who posted up the stuff had to have been absolute dullards to post the chit out in the open as it is.
seems like some fans have the tendency to forget about the brotha's sue-happy attitude towards shit like this and woulda had taken more care to perhaps be more discreet about it, but nooooo...in cases like this, serves 'em right. youtube.com is a cool place, but for fuck's sake, people...think before you upload & share. Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. | |
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emilio319 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i ain't sweating it, because the folks who posted up the stuff had to have been absolute dullards to post the chit out in the open as it is.
seems like some fans have the tendency to forget about the brotha's sue-happy attitude towards shit like this and woulda had taken more care to perhaps be more discreet about it, but nooooo...in cases like this, serves 'em right. youtube.com is a cool place, but for fuck's sake, people...think before you upload & share. Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. thats the spirit  Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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emilio319 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i ain't sweating it, because the folks who posted up the stuff had to have been absolute dullards to post the chit out in the open as it is.
seems like some fans have the tendency to forget about the brotha's sue-happy attitude towards shit like this and woulda had taken more care to perhaps be more discreet about it, but nooooo...in cases like this, serves 'em right. youtube.com is a cool place, but for fuck's sake, people...think before you upload & share. Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. *watches at the point totally sails over your head like charlie brown's lost kite* | |
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emilio319 said: Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. you gotta share it with people you trust, don't just throw it out there and get upset when people close to the source become unappreciative. | |
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Thanks emilio319 for uploading those videos to youtube. I had never seen them before. As I previously mentioned I was fortunate enough to save them before the cease and desist letters went out.  [Edited 1/31/06 8:08am] | |
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Anx said: emilio319 said: Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. you gotta share it with people you trust, don't just throw it out there and get upset when people close to the source become unappreciative. exactly. trust is definitely one of the biggies when it comes to stuff like this. for those of us who collect/deal with the unmentionables, we don't just share stuff with everyone and anyone, because you never know.  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: emilio319 said: Don't worry, in the future I'll be more "Prince-like" and hog up all his shit and not share it with anyone. *watches at the point totally sails over your head like charlie brown's lost kite* [flame snipped - June7] | |
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emilio319 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: *watches at the point totally sails over your head like charlie brown's lost kite* [Flame snipped - BananaCologne] You already know the answer to that question.  | |
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PurpleCharm said: Thanks emilio319 for uploading those videos to youtube. I had never seen them before. As I previously mentioned I was fortunate enough to save them before the cease and desist letters went out.
[Edited 1/31/06 8:08am] You're very welcome! I know there are people out there that had never seen them before and I'm glad you got'em! | |
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emilio319 said: [...]Well learn to not talk down to people and you won't get such a reaction[...]
...sez the guy who has to resort to calling people outta their name in order to reply to one's commentary. 
but what i said is the truth--uploading stuff like that over at youtube and making it available here out in the open really isn't the smartest thing in the world to do, knowing prince's track record for suing fans over this very thing. why do you think that those of us who have bootleggage in our collections don't parade the stuff out in the open on fansites? uploading stuff and providing visible linkage to it on an open forum such as this one (and that we know full-well that The Paisley Legal Mafioso probably keeps an eye on, even) is an outright dumb thing to do! you're basically asking to get a cease & desist letter if you do so, man; it doesn't mean that you are stupid, but the actions of doing so definitely are. how hard is that to understand? | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: *watches at the point totally sails over your head like charlie brown's lost kite*
I did get your point about being discreet. I apologize for the flame but in the future do not talk down to people, as you have done in your post. Respect others if you want them to respect you. | |
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emilio319 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: *watches at the point totally sails over your head like charlie brown's lost kite*
I did get your point about being discreet. I apologize for the flame but in the future do not talk down to people, as you have done in your post. Respect others if you want them to respect you. the way i see it, jeopardizing the fanbase in order to share things honestly doesn't quite warrant respectful replies. this should be obvious, because this kind of thing will make some folks perturbed and will garner negative replies as a result. | |
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jamaicanbob said: Stymie said: Well that's what happens when people post the info in an open forum. Folks shoulda Orgnoted it to each other.
Yeah no kidding... It was like 1 thread had a link and then alllll the threads started popping up "hey has anyone ever seen the computer blue video" or "for those of you who havent seen this video" or "omg Electric Intercourse available on the internet!" or "YouTube videos- 83 rehearsal!!". Duh they are bootleg videos. Not saying I approve or disapprove of them, but they are what they are. How stupid can you be if you really enjoy them and want others to see them? The same thing happened to another site some people know about for sure. You know, the funny part is is that some people bitch about the bootleg rules on the forum, but those are the very rules that PROTECT those bootlegs as well. That's one of the most intelligent things I've seen written here in a lonnnng time. Kudos to ya.  | |
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This site is hilarious.  | |
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BananaCologne said: jamaicanbob said: Yeah no kidding... It was like 1 thread had a link and then alllll the threads started popping up "hey has anyone ever seen the computer blue video" or "for those of you who havent seen this video" or "omg Electric Intercourse available on the internet!" or "YouTube videos- 83 rehearsal!!". Duh they are bootleg videos. Not saying I approve or disapprove of them, but they are what they are. How stupid can you be if you really enjoy them and want others to see them? The same thing happened to another site some people know about for sure. You know, the funny part is is that some people bitch about the bootleg rules on the forum, but those are the very rules that PROTECT those bootlegs as well. That's one of the most intelligent things I've seen written here in a lonnnng time. Kudos to ya. surely thats worth a quote on the front page?  Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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muirdo said: BananaCologne said: That's one of the most intelligent things I've seen written here in a lonnnng time. Kudos to ya. surely thats worth a quote on the front page? i second that thought. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: muirdo said: surely thats worth a quote on the front page? i second that thought. 
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BananaCologne said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i second that thought.
i know he's eavesdropping on us, the little perv...  | |
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DavidEye said: Sly said: What's his fucking problem. No one is profiting from the 'you tube' stuff.
I didn't even get a chance to record the videos  Yeah,what's his problem? I really don't see the harm in having your fans enjoy this footage.No one is "profiting" from this stuff.YouTube is the coolest site I have seen in awhile,and it certainly offers more than Prince's own official site.Sometimes,artists get on my nerves. | |
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Anx said: emilio319 said: And oh yeah....That's the LAST TIME I ever upload any Prince bullshit! Screw him! Moron! I guess if anyone wants to check out some Prince footage they can just look at the "fantastic" video for "Te Amo Corazon"....(yeah right!) Hopefully you will make it to the end without falling asleep.
at least you're not taking it personally.   | |
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Wow, I read this whole thread. This motherfucker is hilarious. | |
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Stymie said: Wow, I read this whole thread. This motherfucker is hilarious.
i find it more saddening than funny. it'd be a whole other affair if dude shut shit down that was more clandestine than this, but yet n'still people are still missing the point on this particular case. | |
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too bad prince isnt the kind of artist who appreciates sh*t like this...
too bad.  Space for sale... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Stymie said: Wow, I read this whole thread. This motherfucker is hilarious.
i find it more saddening than funny. it'd be a whole other affair if dude shut shit down that was more clandestine than this, but yet n'still people are still missing the point on this particular case. He should have posted A case of U from that gig that was a pure bloody brilliant version of that. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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