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PrintableHow are people equating his latest tours and material w/ JB? Is it the Black man in a suit thing thats throwing you? Prince was doing JB the entire PR tour. All we heard was "gimme one momma, gimme two...good god", he structured the entire tour after JB, had his former manager, fined the band when they missed notes just like JB, the whole nine. He even played the songs JB style. The bands stepa and his dances too. The whole "on the one" philosophy is James. The One Night Alone and Musicology tours had light years less to do w/ James Brown, standing there on both tours w/ Maceo himself. A couple JB style songs aint jack compared to the 80s. Yall must not have been there cuz this is complete nonsense. Hes covering James less now than ever. It appears if he puts on an edwardian suit, gets Wendy and Lisa, and runs around w/ the guitar you will be happy. Cuz you cant be listening to the music or grasping the shows and come to these bizarre conclusions. [Edited 1/25/06 15:35pm] | |
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oh and i don't know how many of us on this thread are musicians, but i can tell you that there's nothing like playing that track by your fave artist(s) no matter how many times. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: How are people equating his latest tours and material w/ JB? Is it the Black man in a suit thing thats throwing you? Prince was doing JB the entire PR tour. All we heard was "gimme one momma, gimme two...good god", he structured the entire tour after JB, had his former manager, fined the band when they missed notes just like JB, the whole nine. He even played the songs JB style. The bands stepa and his dances too. The whole "on the one" philosophy is James. The One Night Alone and Musicology tours had light years less to do w/ James Brown, standing there on both tours w/ Maceo himself. A couple JB style songs aint jack compared to the 80s. Yall must not have been there cuz this is complete nonsense. Hes covering James less now than ever. It appears if he puts on an edwardian suit, gets Wendy and Lisa, and runs around w/ the guitar you will be happy. Cuz you cant be listening to the music or grasping the shows and come to these bizarre conclusions.
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JonnyApplesauce said: How are people equating his latest tours and material w/ JB? Is it the Black man in a suit thing thats throwing you? Prince was doing JB the entire PR tour. All we heard was "gimme one momma, gimme two...good god", he structured the entire tour after JB, had his former manager, fined the band when they missed notes just like JB, the whole nine. He even played the songs JB style. The bands stepa and his dances too. The whole "on the one" philosophy is James. The One Night Alone and Musicology tours had light years less to do w/ James Brown, standing there on both tours w/ Maceo himself. A couple JB style songs aint jack compared to the 80s. Yall must not have been there cuz this is complete nonsense. Hes covering James less now than ever. It appears if he puts on an edwardian suit, gets Wendy and Lisa, and runs around w/ the guitar you will be happy. Cuz you cant be listening to the music or grasping the shows and come to these bizarre conclusions.
[Edited 1/25/06 15:35pm] well, aren't you kind of making your argument by supporting mine? | |
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great discussion, gotta go practice my JB splits.
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Posthumous said: JonnyApplesauce said: How are people equating his latest tours and material w/ JB? Is it the Black man in a suit thing thats throwing you? Prince was doing JB the entire PR tour. All we heard was "gimme one momma, gimme two...good god", he structured the entire tour after JB, had his former manager, fined the band when they missed notes just like JB, the whole nine. He even played the songs JB style. The bands stepa and his dances too. The whole "on the one" philosophy is James. The One Night Alone and Musicology tours had light years less to do w/ James Brown, standing there on both tours w/ Maceo himself. A couple JB style songs aint jack compared to the 80s. Yall must not have been there cuz this is complete nonsense. Hes covering James less now than ever. It appears if he puts on an edwardian suit, gets Wendy and Lisa, and runs around w/ the guitar you will be happy. Cuz you cant be listening to the music or grasping the shows and come to these bizarre conclusions.
[Edited 1/25/06 15:35pm] well, aren't you kind of making your argument by supporting mine? I'm not arguing. What exactly is your argument? [Edited 1/25/06 15:42pm] | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: Posthumous said: well, aren't you kind of making your argument by supporting mine? I'm not arguing. What exactly is your argument? [Edited 1/25/06 15:42pm] well, okay...the "bizarre conclusions" you accuse some of us of are based exactly on some of the things you listed. | |
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Posthumous said: JonnyApplesauce said: I'm not arguing. What exactly is your argument? [Edited 1/25/06 15:42pm] well, okay...the "bizarre conclusions" you accuse some of us of are based exactly on some of the things you listed. This is the different perspectives I'm talking about. You both agree that he's done JB since Purple Rain, but Jonny seems to see it as something that's been part of his music for 20 years, and Post sees it as more of a disturbing trend for the last 20 years. My opinion is that Post may be giving too much weight to the first 4 years of Prince's music. [Edited 1/25/06 16:15pm] Check this song out at:
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andyman91 said: Posthumous said: well, okay...the "bizarre conclusions" you accuse some of us of are based exactly on some of the things you listed. This is the different perspectives I'm talking about. You both agree that he's done JB since Purple Rain, but Jonny seems to see it as something that's been part of his music for 20 years, and Post sees it as more of a disturbing trend for the last 20 years. My opinion is that Post may be giving too much weight to the first 4 years of Prince's music. [Edited 1/25/06 16:15pm] no, i don't see it as a disturbing trend at all. like i said earlier, it is what it is. do i see it as a kind of barrier or creative crutch with regards to creative innovative music? well, maybe. do i see it as an important influence? absolutely. again, the original purpose of this thread was my gripe that we keep getting scolded to "look forward" when the person in question seems to be looking backwards. and i'm talking about the here and now, specifically the past couple of years. again, i'm not saying the recent end product is "bad" in any way. i'm talking more theoretically about double standards and, ahem, "xpectations" placed on the artist by fans and on fans by the artist. | |
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Posthumous said: andyman91 said: This is the different perspectives I'm talking about. You both agree that he's done JB since Purple Rain, but Jonny seems to see it as something that's been part of his music for 20 years, and Post sees it as more of a disturbing trend for the last 20 years. My opinion is that Post may be giving too much weight to the first 4 years of Prince's music. [Edited 1/25/06 16:15pm] no, i don't see it as a disturbing trend at all. like i said earlier, it is what it is. do i see it as a kind of barrier or creative crutch with regards to creative innovative music? well, maybe. do i see it as an important influence? absolutely. again, the original purpose of this thread was my gripe that we keep getting scolded to "look forward" when the person in question seems to be looking backwards. and i'm talking about the here and now, specifically the past couple of years. again, i'm not saying the recent end product is "bad" in any way. i'm talking more theoretically about double standards and, ahem, "xpectations" placed on the artist by fans and on fans by the artist. Fair enough GOOD GOD! Check this song out at:
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Universaluv said: skywalker said: Let's not get carried away. I used to argue with you because you'd declare your opinions as facts making statements like, "Prince lost it after 1984". I can dig the fact that you don't like Prince since 1985 and we are at an understanding. However, I'll still maintain my opinion that Prince has done shit since 1984 that has been as good or better than things he did before. I think Prince dabbling in the 60's in 1985 was different than just full out doing a James Brown impression like he has been doing as of late. [Edited 1/25/06 15:14pm] Getting sucked back into this thread, dangit! You make it sound like every song he's done over the past 5 years is a JB rehash. Seriously, it's like 3 or 4 songs at most over the past few years that sound like a "JB impression". Beyond that there are JB influenced songs, which he's always had. . [Edited 1/25/06 15:19pm] Sorry- I don't think that Prince is ONLY simply doing a James Brown thing lately. I was specifically refering to the "Old school Joint" mentality of "..hey let's take it back to 197whatever..." that was prominent in the "Musicology" era. I dug it, but now it's like- hey man, if you are gonna go back to the old school can we get some 1983 up in here? "New Power slide...." |
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"How are people equating his latest tours and material w/ JB? Is it the Black man in a suit thing thats throwing you? Prince was doing JB the entire PR tour. All we heard was "gimme one momma, gimme two...good god", he structured the entire tour after JB, had his former manager, fined the band when they missed notes just like JB, the whole nine. He even played the songs JB style. The bands stepa and his dances too. The whole "on the one" philosophy is James. The One Night Alone and Musicology tours had light years less to do w/ James Brown, standing there on both tours w/ Maceo himself. A couple JB style songs aint jack compared to the 80s. Yall must not have been there cuz this is complete nonsense. Hes covering James less now than ever. It appears if he puts on an edwardian suit, gets Wendy and Lisa, and runs around w/ the guitar you will be happy. Cuz you cant be listening to the music or grasping the shows and come to these bizarre conclusions."
I don't mind Prince aping James in terms of style, showmanship,live performances's , band philosophy, or managment. He's been doing that forever, and I think more musicians could do well to follow James Brown's example in some of those areas. What I am talking about it James Brown's SOUND. I don't mind it now and again from Prince, Sexy MF was grrrrreat. However, if you are gonna revisit sounds of the past, please Prince, revisit your own. You've done JB's sound to death. [Edited 1/25/06 17:13pm] "New Power slide...." |
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Well, this has been an interesting discussion...I can respect most of the views on here...I just think some folks, and I stress SOME FOLKS," are really missing a key point...Just maybe the man is reaching back into the past as a reaction to the music that's being pumped out today...Like any other person getting up in age there is a tendency to say, 'Damn, I remember the good old days...when music was real music...blah, blah, blah...." We all do it...I'm 34 years old and I'm already complaining about the good old days of hip-hop!!!!"
For Prince the good old days are not from 1980 to 1990...His "good ol days" seem more connected to his childhood and teenage years...Couple that with his Jehova Witness conversion and you have an artist who may not be completely comfortable with his own musical past...Let's be real people...I'm not the biggest fan of his recent throwback sound, but that's his bag...If I want Prince at his artistic best, I can just go to the stash and listen to the goods...I think the man has given us enough music and memories over the past 25 plus years where he can coast the rest of his career... The question is, when will some of his fans just move on...If he's letting you down, find another inspiration...It's like watching Ali at the age of 39 and saying, 'Damn, he just doesn't do it for me anymore...he doesn't have the same jab..." Meanwhile, you didn't care to notice that up and coming boxer named Larry Holmes doing his thing...Get it... [Edited 1/25/06 17:56pm] | |
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I really liked the ´Musicology´ concept, to show people how music was great in the past. It was a perfect excuse to go retro.
But Prince himself loved to say that he doesn´t live in the past. So, I would like to see him moving forward...he´s been releasing too many JB inspired funk lately (The Work pt1, Musicology, etc) |
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GustavoRibas said: I really liked the ´Musicology´ concept, to show people how music was great in the past. It was a perfect excuse to go retro.
But Prince himself loved to say that he doesn´t live in the past. So, I would like to see him moving forward...he´s been releasing too many JB inspired funk lately (The Work pt1, Musicology, etc) Maybe he was referring to his own musical past.... | |
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murph said: Well, this has been an interesting discussion...I can respect most of the views on here...I just think some folks, and I stress SOME FOLKS," are really missing a key point...Just maybe the man is reaching back into the past as a reaction to the music that's being pumped out today...Like any other person getting up in age there is a tendency to say, 'Damn, I remember the good old days...when music was real music...blah, blah, blah...." We all do it...I'm 34 years old and I'm already complaining about the good old days of hip-hop!!!!"
For Prince the good old days are not from 1980 to 1990...His "good ol days" seem more connected to his childhood and teenage years...Couple that with his Jehova Witness conversion and you have an artist who may not be completely comfortable with his own musical past...Let's be real people...I'm not the biggest fan of his recent throwback sound, but that's his bag...If I want Prince at his artistic best, I can just go to the stash and listen to the goods...I think the man has given us enough music and memories over the past 25 plus years where he can coast the rest of his career... The question is, when will some of his fans just move on...If he's letting you down, find another inspiration...It's like watching Ali at the age of 39 and saying, 'Damn, he just doesn't do it for me anymore...he doesn't have the same jab..." Meanwhile, you didn't care to notice that up and coming boxer named Larry Holmes doing his thing...Get it... [Edited 1/25/06 17:56pm] For me, it's not a question of him "letting me down". I think that's all up to the listener/viewer and what their state of mind/life is. In many ways, Prince is better than ever. All I am saying is that if dude is gonna repeat things that have been done by him and others, no matter what the reasoning, why not dust of the 1982 sound? As far as Prince not being comfortable with HIS musical past, I think that the "musicology" tour erases any doubts of that. He showed love for both his fans and his old stuff with that tour. Live, Prince is still without peer and has not really been copying James anymore than he ever has. However, on record, if he must go old school at all, why not go home? Why visit Uncle JB's house over and over? Why continue to see Uncle Sly? Damn it, I appreciate their contributions to the family, but I was raised by my crazy cousin Prince and his friends I'd like it if he'd take me to visit his house now and again-not uncle Larry's. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: murph said: Well, this has been an interesting discussion...I can respect most of the views on here...I just think some folks, and I stress SOME FOLKS," are really missing a key point...Just maybe the man is reaching back into the past as a reaction to the music that's being pumped out today...Like any other person getting up in age there is a tendency to say, 'Damn, I remember the good old days...when music was real music...blah, blah, blah...." We all do it...I'm 34 years old and I'm already complaining about the good old days of hip-hop!!!!"
For Prince the good old days are not from 1980 to 1990...His "good ol days" seem more connected to his childhood and teenage years...Couple that with his Jehova Witness conversion and you have an artist who may not be completely comfortable with his own musical past...Let's be real people...I'm not the biggest fan of his recent throwback sound, but that's his bag...If I want Prince at his artistic best, I can just go to the stash and listen to the goods...I think the man has given us enough music and memories over the past 25 plus years where he can coast the rest of his career... The question is, when will some of his fans just move on...If he's letting you down, find another inspiration...It's like watching Ali at the age of 39 and saying, 'Damn, he just doesn't do it for me anymore...he doesn't have the same jab..." Meanwhile, you didn't care to notice that up and coming boxer named Larry Holmes doing his thing...Get it... [Edited 1/25/06 17:56pm] For me, it's not a question of him "letting me down". I think that's all up to the listener/viewer and what their state of mind/life is. In many ways, Prince is better than ever. All I am saying is that if dude is gonna repeat things that have been done by him and others, no matter what the reasoning, why not dust of the 1982 sound? As far as Prince not being comfortable with HIS musical past, I think that the "musicology" tour erases any doubts of that. He showed love for both his fans and his old stuff with that tour. Live, Prince is still without peer and has not really been copying James anymore than he ever has. However, on record, if he must go old school at all, why not go home? Why visit Uncle JB's house over and over? Why continue to see Uncle Sly? Damn it, I appreciate their contributions to the family, but I was raised by my crazy cousin Prince and his friends I'd like it if he'd take me to visit his house now and again-not uncle Larry's. Respect...My point of saying that he wasn't completely comfortable with his past has more to do with content and his fuck-you spirit than the music itself...It's the reason why he changed up the more solcasious lyrics of his past music on his recent treks including the Musicology tour; its the reason why he no longer subscribes to the sex meets spirituality doctrine that underlined his past work...For him, playing with his uncle Larry is his dream, not ours...Let's not get it twisted; I'm not in love with a lot of the shit Prince does today...But I have enough respect for the man to let him live out the rest of his life at his own choosing...Old school to Prince is not his '80s glory...It's the 11-year-old kid who was dropping James Brown steps in the mirror in Minneapolis... | |
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The song Musicology is a Prince Minneapolis sound song. Its built w/ the exact Prince fomula from back in the day. The JB influence was there in Controversy, Dirty Mind just more punked out. 1999 era too. The Musicology album has various influences from Sly to Joni. Hes still doing whats hes always done just minus the cursing. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: The song Musicology is a Prince Minneapolis sound song. Its built w/ the exact Prince fomula from back in the day. The JB influence was there in Controversy, Dirty Mind just more punked out. 1999 era too. The Musicology album has various influences from Sly to Joni. Hes still doing whats hes always done just minus the cursing.
My boyfriend said the exact same thing! | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: The song Musicology is a Prince Minneapolis sound song. Its built w/ the exact Prince fomula from back in the day. The JB influence was there in Controversy, Dirty Mind just more punked out. 1999 era too. The Musicology album has various influences from Sly to Joni. Hes still doing whats hes always done just minus the cursing.
And minus the fearless creativity, innovation, and risk taking. I agree. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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some one talk about breaking into prince's vault to free all his music. I'm there!!!! |
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TRON said: Anx said: he is?
That's what I heard from Moonie. He at least wants to push it back 'til after 3121 comes out. S'ignorant.  | |
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murph said: skywalker said: For me, it's not a question of him "letting me down". I think that's all up to the listener/viewer and what their state of mind/life is. In many ways, Prince is better than ever. All I am saying is that if dude is gonna repeat things that have been done by him and others, no matter what the reasoning, why not dust of the 1982 sound? As far as Prince not being comfortable with HIS musical past, I think that the "musicology" tour erases any doubts of that. He showed love for both his fans and his old stuff with that tour. Live, Prince is still without peer and has not really been copying James anymore than he ever has. However, on record, if he must go old school at all, why not go home? Why visit Uncle JB's house over and over? Why continue to see Uncle Sly? Damn it, I appreciate their contributions to the family, but I was raised by my crazy cousin Prince and his friends I'd like it if he'd take me to visit his house now and again-not uncle Larry's. Respect...My point of saying that he wasn't completely comfortable with his past has more to do with content and his fuck-you spirit than the music itself...It's the reason why he changed up the more solcasious lyrics of his past music on his recent treks including the Musicology tour; its the reason why he no longer subscribes to the sex meets spirituality doctrine that underlined his past work...For him, playing with his uncle Larry is his dream, not ours...Let's not get it twisted; I'm not in love with a lot of the shit Prince does today...But I have enough respect for the man to let him live out the rest of his life at his own choosing...Old school to Prince is not his '80s glory...It's the 11-year-old kid who was dropping James Brown steps in the mirror in Minneapolis... ok, i REALLY don't mind repeating this again, but i'm gonna just start cutting and pasting my own words here soon...this thread isn't about me complaining about the kind of music i think prince SHOULD be creating. you wanna talk about that, go start another thread. it's about fans' expectations of him and his expectation of fans, and how there seems to be a weird double standard on both sides of the fence. if he wants to keep on paying homage to his musical heroes, that's great. fantastic. wow, prince - what a treat. but he needs to understand that to a lot of people, HE is THEIR james brown, and that his classic stuff is as important to us as james' classic stuff is to him. i feel like fans get scolded for wanting that, and i don't know that it's fair. that's all i'm sayin', that i think prince's camp should lighten up on the fans a bit. | |
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Posthumous said: murph said: Respect...My point of saying that he wasn't completely comfortable with his past has more to do with content and his fuck-you spirit than the music itself...It's the reason why he changed up the more solcasious lyrics of his past music on his recent treks including the Musicology tour; its the reason why he no longer subscribes to the sex meets spirituality doctrine that underlined his past work...For him, playing with his uncle Larry is his dream, not ours...Let's not get it twisted; I'm not in love with a lot of the shit Prince does today...But I have enough respect for the man to let him live out the rest of his life at his own choosing...Old school to Prince is not his '80s glory...It's the 11-year-old kid who was dropping James Brown steps in the mirror in Minneapolis... ok, i REALLY don't mind repeating this again, but i'm gonna just start cutting and pasting my own words here soon...this thread isn't about me complaining about the kind of music i think prince SHOULD be creating. you wanna talk about that, go start another thread. it's about fans' expectations of him and his expectation of fans, and how there seems to be a weird double standard on both sides of the fence. if he wants to keep on paying homage to his musical heroes, that's great. fantastic. wow, prince - what a treat. but he needs to understand that to a lot of people, HE is THEIR james brown, and that his classic stuff is as important to us as james' classic stuff is to him. i feel like fans get scolded for wanting that, and i don't know that it's fair. that's all i'm sayin', that i think prince's camp should lighten up on the fans a bit. Well, I'm flattered that you feel like my above comment was aimed at you, but they were in response to the homie Skywalker....Cool? and yes, I agree with you for the most part...I want to see the old classics in the Vault given its proper release...It deserves to be unleashed onto the public so they can understand just how great the man was...But, it seems like some folks in the discussion have veered off your original thread...I'm reading statements in which people indict Prince for not being the "Prince" they grew up with...No one is scolding you Posthumous....In fact I think your thread is very insightful...I just feel like we tend to forget that there's a human being in those 5 inch heels...My underlining point is this: I believe when he says he doesn't want to go back to the past, he's talking more about his own career, not the artists or music that influenced him...But again, you make a lot of passionate points...I don't like it and you don't like it either...But the little purple bastard can beatbox the bridge to JB's "Funky Drummer" if he so pleases because after nearly 30 years in the music business, he deserves to do his own thing, whether we think it's an obsession with the past or not... On another note, the days of Prince releasing groundbreaking music for the most part is over...And you know what? I'm cool with that....I'm a realist when it comes to this...I have the past albums, the videos, the memories and that's good enough for me...The same way I don't complain about Public Enemy not reaching the artistic heights and genre-pushing of their past '80s and early '90s work, I'm not going to hold Prince to such wishful thinking...Yes, the Prince of the '80s is, as you say, the "classic" Prince we grew up with...It's our JB; our Sly & The Family Stone...I respect that a lot of the fans long for that ferocity and liveliness of the '80s in his current music...BUT, did it ever occur to any of you that Prince already lived out this "classic" period? His version of moving on is re-discovering the music that made him want to pick up a guitar in the first place...He won't be the first and he won't be the last..Just give the little guy a break (LOL) [Edited 1/26/06 5:22am] | |
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"..it's about fans' expectations of him and his expectation of fans, and how there seems to be a weird double standard on both sides of the fence. if he wants to keep on paying homage to his musical heroes, that's great. fantastic. wow, prince - what a treat. but he needs to understand that to a lot of people, HE is THEIR james brown, and that his classic stuff is as important to us as james' classic stuff is to him."
EXACTLY. I don't mind if Prince wants to do the James Brown sound full stop--it's OLD SCHOOL to Prince and he loves it and that's fine. I like it most the of the time. Prince can do whatever he wants and I say "God bless him." However, if I wanted James I'd listen to James. Prince, how about switching up those horns with some synth lines now and again? That's all I'm saying. [Edited 1/26/06 6:44am] "New Power slide...." |
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