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Prince's music--multi-layered I think one of the things u can say 4 Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. Especially nowadays, with damn near every song going the hip-hop route, all u get is huge bass and a couple cute sound effects. But with Prince I've always been able 2 find a couple harmonies going on at the same time, yet somehow meshing perfectly. 
Examples: Life Can B So Nice, Raspberry Beret,Forever In My life (not a lot of instruments but different rhythm going on), Adore,___... Damn...what would I be listening 2 if I never gave Prince a listen. Scary 2 think.  | |
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You are so right girlie...I really noticed that in 'Adore' bigtime! It's so beautiful... | |
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multi-layering can kill the emotional weight in a song...see Man-O-War...
Trevor Horn is also big on this effect...(most notably with Seal)...This is what lead Wendy and Lisa to *not* release Friendly Fire...the feelings behind the music can get lost when not done right...This, for me, is a huge factor in why a lot of Prince's last decade of work has not worked for me... | |
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Layered music? Did someone say Janes Addiction? Love and Rockets? Did someone say Parliement? Outkast? Did someone say Paul Simon?
there's plenty of people whose music is multi-layered... sorry, no stars. | |
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Nep, U get 5 stars honey (tho' I never rate anyway  ) just because someone as young as U even paused 2 notice.
U have just begun ur musical journey, i.e. U have a lot of music 2 discover (as I do at *cough!cough!* years older than U. )
I can only WISH 2 get my younger brother started on the CLASSICS ur open-minded enough 2 LISTEN 2 ... he's stuck on Ludacris, and there ain't no tellin' him 2 "look INTO THE LIGHT" 
Just remember, whatever U do, 2 always keep an open mind ... ONE LOVE | |
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PrincPDC said: Layered music? Did someone say Janes Addiction? Love and Rockets? Did someone say Parliement? Outkast? Did someone say Paul Simon?
there's plenty of people whose music is multi-layered... sorry, no stars. Outkast? No...lol. | |
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aspera773 said: Nep, U get 5 stars honey (tho' I never rate anyway
) just because someone as young as U even paused 2 notice.
U have just begun ur musical journey, i.e. U have a lot of music 2 discover (as I do at *cough!cough!* years older than U. )
I can only WISH 2 get my younger brother started on the CLASSICS ur open-minded enough 2 LISTEN 2 ... he's stuck on Ludacris, and there ain't no tellin' him 2 "look INTO THE LIGHT"
Just remember, whatever U do, 2 always keep an open mind ... ONE LOVE thanx. | |
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yeah there is music and background vocals and a lead vocal.
that makes 3 layers | |
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You're abosolutely right, I've always described Prince's music as layered | |
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aspera773 said: Nep, U get 5 stars honey (tho' I never rate anyway
) just because someone as young as U even paused 2 notice.
U have just begun ur musical journey, i.e. U have a lot of music 2 discover (as I do at *cough!cough!* years older than U. )
I can only WISH 2 get my younger brother started on the CLASSICS ur open-minded enough 2 LISTEN 2 ... he's stuck on Ludacris, and there ain't no tellin' him 2 "look INTO THE LIGHT"
Just remember, whatever U do, 2 always keep an open mind ... ONE LOVE Gots to cosign. Nep you on a roll now They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search. | |
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GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear.  test | |
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PFunkjazz said: No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams,
 Anyway...yeah Nep, Life Can Be So Nice kicks ass. | |
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2the9s said: PFunkjazz said: No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams,
Anyway...yeah Nep, Life Can Be So Nice kicks ass.Which is what i said at the very beginning. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty."
SHEESH!!  test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Which is what i said at the very beginning.
No, you said, "GREAT the idiocy continues," dope. Oh and let me add a so you know I ain't mad at ya.[This message was edited Wed Jun 26 21:42:10 PDT 2002 by 2the9s] | |
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PFunkjazz said: GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear. good call PFunk. | |
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Sometimes Prince needs to strip down his music to the basics. | |
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2the9s said: PFunkjazz said: Which is what i said at the very beginning.
No, you said, "GREAT the idiocy continues," dope. Oh and let me add a so you know I ain't mad at ya.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 26 21:42:10 PDT 2002 by 2the9s] Now see that was just a test to see how long you could go before resulting to name calling. Stay sweet, pussy. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Now see that was just a test to see how long you could go before resulting to name calling.
Yeah, I saw you waiting, dickhead. I guess "idiocy" doesn't count? | |
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PFunkjazz said: GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear. I wasnt talking about multi-tracking... | |
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Prince's music is nicely layered compared to the corny beats of some mainstream pop artists run by corporations. Although, I do like some of Britney's stuff...ehr, maybe it's the dancing...oh my! Madonna's music has a great amount of producer work as well, but overall the other pop artists have a hard time sounding original compared to Prince to my ears. Prince's music sounds more natural, not artificial. It's sounds less like a computer video game if that makes any sense... Anyone know if he moved into recording with ProTools and gone digital? | |
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bonojr said: Prince's music is nicely layered compared to the corny beats of some mainstream pop artists run by corporations. Although, I do like some of Britney's stuff...ehr, maybe it's the dancing...oh my! Madonna's music has a great amount of producer work as well, but overall the other pop artists have a hard time sounding original compared to Prince to my ears. Prince's music sounds more natural, not artificial. It's sounds less like a computer video game if that makes any sense...
Yes, Yes Yes!!! That's why I can't help but admire him so... [This message was edited Fri Jun 28 20:23:36 PDT 2002 by Starmist7] | |
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Nep2nes said: PFunkjazz said: GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear. I wasnt talking about multi-tracking... There is no other way to record Prince playing guitar bass and drums and the remaining 23 instuments in those instances when he does play everything. THINK! IT AIN"T ILLEGAL YET! test | |
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My funk is multi layered - don't stop me now ! |
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PFunkjazz said: Nep2nes said: PFunkjazz said: GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear. I wasnt talking about multi-tracking... There is no other way to record Prince playing guitar bass and drums and the remaining 23 instuments in those instances when he does play everything. THINK! IT AIN"T ILLEGAL YET! Im not talking about having several instruments Einstein--that would be...kind of...dumb, since all songs have several instruments. I was talking about how he has each instrument playing several, different harmonies such in Raspberry Beret. If u listen 2 each of them u will hear them doing different things yet it's all unified. But I guess that simpleton funk u listen 2 never taught u about that. Know-it-all. [This message was edited Sat Jun 29 6:55:05 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] | |
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Nep2nes said: PFunkjazz said: Nep2nes said: PFunkjazz said: GREAT the idiocy continues.
Prince, and no other pop artist(meaning not classical), is the way he layers sounds. What I hear you saying is: "Prince records sound pretty." This is more a feat of recording engineering and production than it is composition and performance. Multi-tracking is so common it was outdated when Prince rose to prominence at the onset of the digital era. Individual instruments are recorded on separate tracks giving it a much less compressed sound; more open and clear. It's really quite common in pop. I'can'tt hink of annyone who DOESN't do it. The top recording producers and engineers that come to mind are: Quincy Jones and Bruce Sweiden. Phil Ramone with Paul Simon Phoebe Snow and Billy Joel. Stevie Wonder with Malcolm Cecil and Robert MArgoulef. Gary Katz on the work of Steely Dan. Bill Tomcyczyk(?) on the Eagles and whoever did the Fleetwood Mac. GEEZ the list is endless! Just look at anybody who won a GRAMMY for best album Counter and poly-harmonies are even more common in rock jazz and soul going back to the 60s. There's been so much experimentation and innovation with consonance and dissonance it's ridiculous. No doubt the works of Ornette Coleman, Captain Beefheart, Cecil Taylor, JOhn Coltrane Frank Zappa are going to be too much for the pop-trained ears of Prince fams, but PARLIAMENT-Funkadelic,EWF, SLY, GCS,LIVING COLOUR are easy enough to latch onto (multiple guitars often run counter to each other). It's really nothing new. I could run off an endless list of artists in jazz rock and funk doing this, but it's more a matter of what you're accustomed to listening to. There's no accouting for how much more you like PRINCE recordings: that's all taste. You are right. Some of that stuff is quite marvelous to hear. I wasnt talking about multi-tracking... There is no other way to record Prince playing guitar bass and drums and the remaining 23 instuments in those instances when he does play everything. THINK! IT AIN"T ILLEGAL YET! Im not talking about having several instruments Einstein--that would be...kind of...dumb, since all songs have several instruments. I was talking about how he has each instrument playing several, different harmonies such in Raspberry Beret. If u listen 2 each of them u will hear them doing different things yet it's all unified. But I guess that simpleton funk u listen 2 never taught u about that. Know-it-all. [This message was edited Sat Jun 29 6:55:05 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] It's only the same stuff Prince has been playing his whole career. Get a clue. The parts the instruments play are called ARRANGEMENTS. Some play melody, others play harmony and even counter-harmonies. It's pretty advanced music theory so I really wouldn't expect your pea-brain to know this. After all, you were talking about current pop like BRittney Spear and JLO, but what'd you think made SGT Peppers so great? It wasn't just the songs or even the cute haircuts. Sir George did a great job recording the performances. 
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IrishEcho said: Children, let's behave now. Chances are, one of you will be accused of being me.
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Nep2nes said Im not talking about having several instruments Einstein--that would be...kind of...dumb, since all songs have several instruments. I was talking about how he has each instrument playing several, different harmonies such in Raspberry Beret. If u listen 2 each of them u will hear them doing different things yet it's all unified.
But I guess that simpleton funk u listen 2 never taught u about that. Know-it-all. [This message was edited Sat Jun 29 6:55:05 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] Awww, sheeeit, Nep2nes! You are way out of your depth on this one. Please just try to bow out of this argument gracefully--PFunk is not one to fuck with when it comes to musical knowledge. | |
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Prince's arrangements are pretty sparse compared to people like EW&F.he does some weird shit that's unconventional in a lot of his music.However,that's how i can usually tell when prince produced or arranged something. " could I be... the most beautiful man in the world! plain to see, i"m the reason that God made a man!"UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GRADUATE! VERY PRESTIGIOUS! | |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: Nep2nes said Im not talking about having several instruments Einstein--that would be...kind of...dumb, since all songs have several instruments. I was talking about how he has each instrument playing several, different harmonies such in Raspberry Beret. If u listen 2 each of them u will hear them doing different things yet it's all unified.
But I guess that simpleton funk u listen 2 never taught u about that. Know-it-all. [This message was edited Sat Jun 29 6:55:05 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] Awww, sheeeit, Nep2nes! You are way out of your depth on this one. Please just try to bow out of this argument gracefully--PFunk is not one to fuck with when it comes to musical knowledge. she don't care she'll argue anyway.don't need no facts just an attitude 2 b rude | |
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