BeautifulFrance said:

This W&L thread sure has strayed... Neither I or SOS voted for the cretans running our cuntry right now and I completely disagree with your assessment. Bush and Co give snails a bad name. Snails are more evolved creatures

BeautifulFrance said:

Morris Day and The Time are performing the same tired old shtick and routines they've had for 20 years. Morris Day is the poster child of boring albums and not being able to get out from under the legend that is Purple Rain. Talk about someone who should have been able to make a real career for himself...

Oh, and the next time you aren't feeling so narrow listen to Gaia by Olivia Newton-John. It's sure to improve your mood and the last track on the album will teach you about getting along with people.

thanks for the laugh..it made my day...

dewalliz said:

The thing is.. you can't say 'most' because you haven't talked to 'most' 1999 fans (unless you've just finished the poll I asked for! ). As you say, it's just the ones you ran across... the ones I knew/know/spoke to were rarely so narrow when it came to their love of Prince's music. Most of the people I was around when it was actually happening liked the very tracks you often indicate that you despise.



You know... you attempt to toss out my use of actual hard figures yet stoop to creating theoretical scenarios such as the above. I made no claims as to WHY Prince lost his audience, only that it happened with the first album of fresh material that contained no Coleman/Melvoin input - LoveSexy. ...and unlike your claims of Kiss saving Parade and sending sales over 1.3 million US, LoveSexy could not be saved by Alphabet St...




If you've got the book, then please post. I seem to remember ATWAID being on the charts for a looong time, though that could have just been the pop chart. I actually purchased Billboard at the time but have had those mags boxed up for 15-20 years now. On the R&B singles chart, I remember Kiss going #1, Mountains going #15 and Anotherloverhoneyohead going #18. I do believe Parade peaked at #2. With SOTT, I seem to recall the album going to #4 on the R&B chart, the single going to #1. After that, I think If I was Your Girlfriend went to #15. I can't remember where U Got The Look charted but, again, seem to recall Hot Thing hitting #18. I've haven't thought about these numbers since 1987 so I'd be curious to know how close I got.

Aerogram said:

And when was this aim? If you're referring to the albums they released, it was an outlet, somewhat an only outlet at the time, for their musical creativity.

Videos were required by the record company, not something they "aimed" for. I don't see where your getting this 'failed attempt' at stardom from. They played the game for a minute to stay in the realm of the music biz, but once they found out they could do more behind the scenes, they took that route.

And have been extremely successful in doing so.

Oh... I just want to say it's an honor to see one's posts used as ammunition in a good old flame war, then be cited as an example of a model poster. That does not happen every day!

awww..well, maybe next time you can accomplish your goal...but i wont ruin your night and just say you did piss me off..

am not going to scan my book pages on here too much damn work. Instead Here goes the link http://princetext.tripod.com and just scroll down the bottom where says charts and go from there. Study and educated then come back express your admittance of being wrong. Not only the info

Also Again your claimed the reason why Lovesexy didn't do well was of Lisa and Wendy not been around is subjective not a fact. maybe if you insert in my opinon before your claimed then we wouldn't be have this arguement of the issue.

Oh... I just want to say it's an honor to see one's posts used as ammunition in a good old flame war, then be cited as an example of a model poster. That does not happen every day!

Aerogram said:

Désolé pour ça mon cher Aerogram. Il m'arrive lorsque je travaille sur un projet de fou comme en ce moment de me laisser aller à des pulsions bestiales (donc sans retenue, sans relief et pulsions dénuées de toute intelligence) sur prince.org dans le triste et pathétique but de provoquer le même type de réactions.
Dans le cas présent, les fams de W&L repésentent dans mon subconscient le client qui me casse les noix en ce moment !

Je t'ai cité parce que j'adore ton sens de l'humour.

Pour me faire pardonner, je te promets de t'envoyer le prochain MP3 du prochain fake de 3121 comme la dernière fois !

Peace

What the f*ck is y'all's problem?????

Why can't people on this site have an intelligent disucssion that involves Wendy & Lisa?

It's really pretty simple, if people will just calm down, and actualy READ the following:

JUST BECAUSE W&L INFLUENCED PRINCE DURING THE 80'S AND CONTRIBUTED TO SOME OF HIS MOST POPULAR SONGS DOES NOT -- I REPEAT-- DOES NOT MEAN THAT PRINCE IS NOT A GENIUS.

Or to put it another way,

Yes, W&L influenced Prince and wrote or co-wrote a bunch of the songs.
Yes, Prince is still a genius.

BOTH are true. One does not negate the other.

What's so hard to understand??


P.S. I find it amusing that those who don't seem to get this also seem to have an extremely poor command of the English language, and one of them in particular, I believe, is American, which is rather sad.
[Edited 1/18/06 21:48pm]

BeautifulFrance said:

....pour ma part j'attends non pas 1 Fake mais 1 vrai mp3 xclu de 3121 de ta part!

...je joke....bien sûr...à moins que?

stef

Aerogram said:

Désolé pour ça mon cher Aerogram. Il m'arrive lorsque je travaille sur un projet de fou comme en ce moment de me laisser aller à des pulsions bestiales (donc sans retenue, sans relief et pulsions dénuées de toute intelligence) sur prince.org dans le triste et pathétique but de provoquer le même type de réactions.
Dans le cas présent, les fams de W&L repésentent dans mon subconscient le client qui me casse les noix en ce moment !

Je t'ai cité parce que j'adore ton sens de l'humour.

Pour me faire pardonner, je te promets de t'envoyer le prochain MP3 du prochain fake de 3121 comme la dernière fois !

Peace

BeautifulFrance said:

Ce n'est rien, vraiment. Je n'ai pas toujours été un Orger modèle! À mes humbles débuts, je me disputais souvent, longtemps et très âprement! Bart, Joey, Ernest, RD et les autres... tous y ont goûté. Maintenant, je ne fais qu'égratigner tout doucement.

Mais s'il te reste encore un peu de culpabilité, je rêve du 12" de La La La Hee Hee Hee.

Aerogram said:

J'ai lal la hee hee hee en maxi single dans un carton quelque p artmais je ne me souviens pas que la version faisait 12". Si je trouve le mp3, je te le ferai parvenir.

Dis-moi mais que devient Bart ? Toujours dans les parages ? je me souviens d'un type très agressif, donneur de leçons et borné mais qui semblait très érudit.

dewalliz said:

Hey, I have no problem admitting I was wrong and thanks for the link. As I told you it had been almost 20 some years since I cared to look at those charts. I now see it must have been 1999 that I was thinking of that had stayed on the charts for so long. At one point, 1999, PR and ATWIAD were all on the Billboard charts at the same time.

So the truth is that SOTT stayed on the charts 5 weeks longer than ATWAID but sold less. What's really interesting is that SOTT and ATWAID, apparently, stayed on the pop charts longer than Purple Rain, too, and really sold quite a bit less than that one!

I, also, see that SOTT (the single) didn't make it to #1 Pop and I was thinking it had...



Now, Now... you are putting major words in my mouth... I never claimed that Lovesexy didn't do well BECAUSE there was no Melvoin/Coleman involvement. What I said was, and I quote, "Prince, coincidentally, lost the largest group of fans when he released his first fresh new work without any Coleman/Melvoin family involvement - that work is LoveSexy." Note the "coincidentally" in there. I didn't claim any proof they were the cause, I just pointed out that was when it happened. It muddy's the waters but it's a possible factor. More than one person has said that W&L added an additional 'pop sensibility' to Prince's work. Personally, I always thought they added more on the quirky/experimental side.

Never discuss with Wendy and Lisa, Iron Maiden, and Madonna fans.
NEVER.

You welcome buddy. I think that you are cool and even though we don't always agree at least I enjoyed the mature debate with you. I don't have anything against wendy and lisa fans but what I have against are SOME of their fams, who shall remain nameless, gets slightly too personal and defensive when I express my personal distaste.

The good thing came from this is that I have met another orger who I hope we can have another discussion with again in the future despite the age difference. But of course not always be debating. And I hope you feel the same if I am not too young for a discussion.

I read a sort of bio on Wendy and Lisa on another site and it implies that their involvement is much greater than what I beleived, particularly in the last sentence. I think that last assessment is going a little too far or am I just out of the loop? I've pasted the paragrph to which I'm referring below.

On Around The World In A Day, Wendy & Lisa composed and conducted the strings on Paisley Park and Raspberry Beret. They also co-wrote America along with Prince, Matt Fink, Bobby Z. and Brown Mark. They also contributed backing vocals to The Ladder. On Parade, they provided backing vocals on Do U Lie?, Girls and Boys, and the B-side Love or Money. Wendy did the lead vocal on I Wonder U and is perhaps best known for appearing in the video for Kiss (one of the singles off this album), which won an American Music Award. Lisa & Wendy worked on New Position but they actually co-wrote Mountains and Sometimes It Snows In April with Prince. On the film that accompanies the album, Under The Cherry Moon, a song is heard called Old Friends 4 Sale. It is partly about Wendy. It was on the test pressing of the album but was omitted from the finished product. It was re-recorded in 1991 with less personal lyrics and finally turned up on The Vault. It has been alleged that it was Wendy and Lisa not Prince who wrote most of Around the World in a Day and Parade.

Also, here's the link if you want to read the full text: http://www.pussyrock.co.uk/prettybu...ndyandlisa.html

So in closing I totally agree that they are the real genius behind any and all genius that currently walk the earth.

xpertluva said:

Okay its time all us Prince fans just come to terms with the TRUTH!!! Wendy and Lisa did write most of Around the World in a Day and Parade. While at it they also wrote Do Me Baby and half of Controversy.

Still not convinced well in all actuallity they wrote 3/4 of 1999 and all of Purple Rain as well as writing the movie. Never ones to rest on their laurels they also sang most of the tracks that Prince is given credit for singing lead on.


In their spare time they also wrote all of Madonna's True Blue and all of the music for Micheal Jackson's two land mark albums Thriller and Bad. After leaving the Prince camp which in all rights should have been called the Wendy and Lisa camp. They went and founded Death Row records and were instrumental in developing and acutally writing the Rhymes of Snoop, Dr. Dre and most importantly Tupac Shakur. Its actually been said by Tupac's bodyguards, best friends, cousins sisters, 11th grade math teachers, grandmothers, best friends, niece. That Tupac didn't even know how to rhyme until Wendy and Lisa or Wendy or Lisa actually wrote the rhymes for him.

They went on to write, produce, direct and have cameos in Shindler's List, A Few Good Men, Titanic, and all three Matrix films.

Currently they are in Cleveland teaching LeBron James all the same moves. The no look pass, the drop step to the basket, the fade away and the free throw line slam that they taught Micheal Jordan in his heyday. Not to mention that they taught Bret Farve how to throw the football and Roger Clemons how to pitch.

Oops and I forgot to mention that they actually council Phil Jackson and helped him invent the triangle offense.

So in closing I totally agree that they are the real genius behind any and all genius that currently walk the earth.
[Edited 1/19/06 21:05pm]

chiltonmusic said:

was any of this really neccessary?

sosgemini said:

Probably not but it I just felt it was time the world heard the truth!!! Plus it was alot of fun!