BeautifulFrance said:

why are you making this personal? have i expressed anything to lead you to think im upset? and whats up with the "its just time to hear" comment? are you that annoyed by others who are expressing an opposing view to yours that you have to generate a campaign to neutralize the discussion? come on now!!!

and when did aerogram make that statement? cause i have never seen him ever resort to such a low comment like the above one your contributing to him...please post a link.

sosgemini said:

http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_3282907

BeautifulFrance said:

that was a joke..its really disingenuous of you to use someone else's words like that..in an effort to bash other peoples views.

BeautifulFrance said:

that was a joke..its really disingenuous of you to use someone else's words like that..in an effort to bash other peoples views.

im not going to deny aerogram the right to express how he feels..but what you need to do is re-read aerograms comments and take note that he is not dismissing anything wendy and lisa have done..he is not making fun of their fanbase and he is not making fun of those people who are fans of their music..

its called "class"....and thats why i enjoy engaging aerogram in discussion...even when we disagree on the subject at hand..

do me a favor, read aerograms comments..and then re-read your own...and share with us the difference in tone and atttidue..

thanks in advance..

sosgemini said:

[baiting -Tom]

BeautifulFrance said:

am i boring you because your not getting the reaction out of me that your expecting? would you rather me get all upset and call you names or belittle you? is that your goal here? cause on that note.....

You must have skimmed over the part of my post where I said "once aimed". Come on... they did try! It's just too convenient to say they made videos and stuff but were "not interested" in big time pop success.

Prince, Wendy, and Lisa were a strong collective together and it can be argued that along with the other members of the Revolution that Prince's sound changed (better or worse is all a matter of opinion and prespective).

I am a Prince fan; however, it cannot be denied that Wendy and Lisa were extremely instrumental in his sound during the early-to-mid 80s. Together they made great music and as for the actual contributions to the songs, you can only go on the material, interviews, recording session information/logs that's out there. If the question becomes: Is he really the genius we thought he was/is? Then I say the answer is "yes." But being a musical genius does not mean you're not influenced by others. Being a musical genius means really quite the opposite. You can take input (ideas, contributions, etc.) and improve upon the input or at least tailor the input to the audience you are trying to reach.

AWTWIAD is Prince with input from group members - especially Lisa and Wendy. From my studies, Lisa and Wendy contributed heavily, but he was going that direction any way (band leader vice a sole 1-man studio band). It was an important move because we got some great material. Lisa and Wendy are probably not getting all of the credit or input that actually contributed; however, there is credit and Lisa and Wendy seem content knowing that they were part of something special. But for those of you that really want to think of Prince as that 1-man band or at least the diretor that visualized and instructued everything, you still have those gems as well (yes, even on Parade and AWTWIAD). Remember that Prince did lay a lot of the tracks himself and sometimes in one take. I personally think the road goes both ways: Some credit may have been withheld, yet some credit was also given when maybe it wasn't quite what we consider considerable input.

The best ones to listen to our the band members, engineers, etc. that were part of that era. Dr. Fink seems to think that the credit was properly given. Lisa and Wendy seem content, but one can tell in their interviews that they may feel a little short on the credits, while the others may have contributed, but no where near the extent that Lisa and Wendy did. A bassline or synth groove are contributions, but not necessarily co-writer credit type inputs. What is interesting to note is that the whole late-70s/early 80s music era of Prince was packed full of talent that was consistent with Prince's vision of Minnapolis funk. It is not only evidenced in his music as a solo artist, but also in the protege groups that were coming out under the Prince banner to include: Vanity/Appolonia 6 albums and The Time material. Both Lisa and Wendy were a part of that movement --- especially Lisa with The Time. But don't worry Prince fans -- it was still his vision and like any other group - you have to have a leader. Prince was the leader with some very talented soliders.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

right-o ole chap..



with that being said though..anyone else notice the threads here are more fun to participate in? not in a flamey ewm kinda way but in actually fun topics to discuss?

sosgemini said:

These threads are started every few weeks by W&L FAMS.

BeautifulFrance said:

no, look at this thread..and the other thread..both threads were started by folks asking a question....revisionist history. this is the exact thing i was talking about earlier....folks making up sh*t or asking a question turns into a w&l fam act...

dude, hope you find something or someone else to piss off...cause it aint gonna work on this thread...maybe you should go create an mj thread or something..

sosgemini said:

Revisionist history !!! This expression normally applies to issues like "Have concentration camps ever existed ?". Not to "W&L's music is boring" !

Regarding another thread, It could be :
"Why lendy and Wisa never managed to come up with anything near Purple rain or Parade after they left prince ?". That would be interesting.

BeautifulFrance said:

positivity..have you had your


today???
[Edited 1/18/06 11:56am]

sosgemini said:

[baiting - Tom]

sosgemini said:

I am not suprised you had to come up with some racist and xenophobic joke.
Your weaknesses are shining thru...
[Edited 1/18/06 12:09pm]

BeautifulFrance said:

So xenophobic jokes are authorized from a moderator and you now delete my comment where there was absolutely nothing insulting. Weird.

BeautifulFrance said:

dude..its fish bait.....

BeautifulFrance said:

what was zenophobic??? The fact that he connected snails to france? Isn't escargot one of your most famous dishes

Us... You mean you and the other W&L FAM who has W1L as an avatar !!!

You have to make comments about my country (that you obviously don't know) because youv are pissed off with me ! Woaw it says a lot about your weaknesses.

W&L are boring to death and you know it.

Let's talk about great artists like Sheila E, Morris Day, Fink, Michael B, sonny T or John Blackwell.

BeautifulFrance said:

No, I mean 'us' as in the people that seem to be able to carry on a conversation without getting all bent out of emotional shape and upset like you are. You don't seem mentally cut out for a mature conversation and want to talk about everything besides the specific question that was originally posed.




No, I don't share your OPINION. It really sends you over the deep end knowing that people don't agree with you and you can't change their minds, doesn't it?






'Great' artists? You even include Morris Day in that list. Now I know you must be a troll.

Well fair enough end of the discussion. I know now why you like W&L so much. I really wished I had known about your tatse before we even started all this. I like music and real musicians you see. I did not know you were into all that commercial crap. Really sorry mate.

In your profile you mention some of the other artists you like :
Madonna, Olivia Newton-John, Robbie Williams.

BeautifulFrance said:

what was zenophobic??? The fact that he connected snails to france? Isn't escargot one of your most famous dishes

sosgemini said:

I know you are ignorant and know absolutely nothing about anything that is happening outside your country apart from the manipulated and false reports from right wing retards "Fox News" but you should really open books from time to time.
Culture is not your strength I know but yes what you did is called xenophobia.
[Edited 1/18/06 12:30pm]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The snails are those who kill innocent people, kids, babies and women in a foreign country like Irak without giving a flying fuck.
Snails are those who elect such a right wing retard as GW Bush.

Ani DiFranco, Annie Lennox, Chris Isaak, George Michael, Joni Mitchell, Loreena McKennitt

Go and listen to your Robbie William'cds or go for Olivia Newton John as you seem to love them so much, kid.

And yes Morris day is a superb drummer and the Time are damn funky. But you can't understand.