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Reply #60 posted 06/30/02 9:25pm

lovebird

I don't know how anyone that attended this years celebration could possibly complain. It was marvelous.
Prince didn't have to take us to the movies,he didn't have to perform everynight and he didn't have to give us a cd.
He seemed grateful.
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Reply #61 posted 07/01/02 7:06am

Therapy

I feel quite satisfied with Princes released work, thank u. However, saying that, can some1 please orgnote me and tell me where I can feel even more satisfied with his bootleg work?

And as for the Celebration, I didnt go, but why cant he have enjoyed himself as well as enjoying the money? Its like the profession of counselling. Many colleagues I have feel guilty for getting paid. Why? Its how they earn a living. Exactly the same for Prince.

Isnt it fab that he can do something he loves and get paid?!
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Reply #62 posted 07/01/02 7:20am

Britney

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Gosh, there are all sorts of bootlegs of my artistic work out there, but more than that, there are bootlegs of video performances that were supposed to be private! *giggles*

Ummm I would love to do a concert with Prince. I like sooo have the credability to do it! Totally!

But don't be a meany to Prince. He's really awesome!
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Reply #63 posted 07/01/02 7:39am

SANSKER7

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IF IT WASN'T FOR BOOTLEG CONCERTS AND UNRELEASED MATERIAL I WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWING PRINCE TODAY. THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT KEPT ME INTERESTED IN HIM.
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First I need a picture of your mother, to verify the fact that there's not another one in the universe so supreme!!"
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Reply #64 posted 07/01/02 9:00am

JDODSON

Prince, U know that we are up 4 the Truth. Keep the message alive, radical man.


Your friend,

JD
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Reply #65 posted 07/01/02 9:32am

chookalana

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pcnbwld said:

Dear Prince,

This year you opened your house to your fans and fams once again and provided us with a week of great music, fun, and learning. Your hospitality was gracious, inspirational, and, above all, generous. Thank you Prince.

I am not, however, writing this to belabor my gratitude; I am writing this to share an experience and return something to you that should never have come into my possession.

A few months before the celebration there was a buzz around the Prince fan community regarding the 20-CD set of studio outtakes entitled ‘The Work (Volumes I-V).’ It was touted as the most comprehensive collection of its kind and a “must have” for the “serious fan.” Waiting in line for the One Night Alone show in Seattle, I again heard rave reviews for this set – it wasn’t so much that it was anything new (at least to those with bootleg collections) but that it was so complete and of such high quality.

About a week before the 3rd annual Celebration I discovered the first 2 discs of ‘The Work’ on the ‘net as streaming Real Audio. After hearing them I decided to search the set down. Listening to those RA files was a revelation; I realized that there was an entire alternative career available from the man who was already, with the official releases alone, one of the most prolific and compelling artists in history. 20 hour-long CDs of Prince music I had never heard? How could I pass that up? A couple of days before the Celebration I tracked down a source for this collection (with a price tag of $300.00) and left for Minneapolis with the intention of purchasing the set upon my return to Seattle.

I have been an avid fan since I first heard ‘When Doves Cry’ when I was 18. Like many fans, I have every album and several extended singles, but with only one exception I have never purchased a bootleg. I had always respected the fact that had you wanted me to hear this music, you would have released it yourself. As I set off to this year’s Celebration, my long held resolve had been shaken; the temptation to own and experience all of that amazing music had proven too great. But during the course of the week my feelings changed. I am no longer tempted and in fact I feel compelled to, in at least a small way, rectify an injustice as best I can.

The ticket price for the Celebration is truly nominal—the quality and abundance of music is easily worth 5 times the price. Apart from the music, you have always provided entertaining activities and a welcoming and friendly atmosphere. Last year you even opened the greater part of Paisley Park for the attending fans simply to hang out in and enjoy. It was this atmosphere of openness, generosity, and family hospitality that brought me back to my senses.

Many fans will say I am a fool and that I don’t know what I am missing – but it is really a simple choice. Would I support someone who came into my house, invited or not, and made copies of my journal or diary and sold it on the Internet? Would I support someone who came into my office and took pictures of paintings or drawings I had done, printed them up as posters, and sold them or even gave them away? Would I support someone that recorded a talk, a poetry reading, or a song I performed and distributed it without my permission for their profit? The answer is simple: no.

Needless to say, I won’t be purchasing ‘The Work (Volumes I-V).’ The one bootleg that I “own” is a “fan compilation” of ‘Madhouse 24’ that I found on E-Bay. Although it contains some very cool music, I apologize for ever making the choice that brought it into my possession; I have enclosed my one and only copy with this letter; I feel that I should return it to its rightful owner. I realize that this is a symbolic gesture at best – but it is important to me. I want you to know that I am listening, that I respect your art, and your privacy.

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself with me. You are a constant source of inspiration and you have truly made a difference in my life.


Live 4 Love,

Carl Bystrom
PCNBWLD

06/29/02

[I mailed this letter with the CD enclosed to Paisley Park this morning. I am not posting this here to "preach" or chastise those who have made different choices; but simply to share my thoughts and feelings, and my decision, regarding a difficult subject that concerns most of us here. Thanks.]


Before you read anything into this letter, hear me out. Though your intentions a inocent and have a good natured manner about it, it is your way to clear your conscience. If Prince was really threatened or hated companies like Sabotage and Thunderball why does he not go after them? Take them out of the business? Why does Sabotage & Thunderball send him a copy of everything they make? It seems to me Prince has realized (like the Greatful Dead, Phish, Dave Matthews Band) that he almost needs these companies to help fans keep interest in him. After all they can put a live album out TWO WEEKS after it has been recorded. Let's face it, there is only 1000-2000 copies pressed for each album, sometimes less. These companies make NO PROFIT !!!

Prince fans have a insane need for NEW MUSIC FROM PRINCE, unlike any other artist to date. And these companies help feed that need. Something Prince can't do at this time.
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
uzi RIAA
mac 'nuff said.
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Reply #66 posted 07/01/02 1:45pm

joeycoco

chookalana said:


If Prince was really threatened or hated companies like Sabotage and Thunderball why does he not go after them?


He isn't really, but as he has said in the past, he really dislikes people making money off these bootlegs.

Why does Sabotage & Thunderball send him a copy of everything they make?


They don't, who told you this crap?

These companies make NO PROFIT !!!



Bullshit.
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Reply #67 posted 07/01/02 3:22pm

DavidEye

We've had this discussion many times,and I am stciking to my belief that PRINCE himself is the one responsible for all of these bootlegs being released.I don't feel guilty one bit for owning these recordings.Prince wants us to hear this music! He must realize that,in his lifetime,it would be virtually impossible for him to release all this stuff through ordinary means.I believe that Prince just might be the secret *OWNER* of Sabotage Records and Thunderball Records.


Yes,I have heard people explain how some of these songs escape the locked vaults of Paisley Park (he makes copies of songs for friends who then bootleg them).But,come on,we're not just talking about a few songs.There are entire WHOLE ALBUMS that can be purchased on the black market! There is an extensive,20-CD box set of Prince material in excellent sound quality!! There is no way that Prince himself isn't behind all this.

Prince tried to shut down Uptown Magazine for discussing his unreleased recordings.Yet,he doesn't go after Sabotage Records and Thunderball Records for SELLING his unreleased recordings??
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Reply #68 posted 07/01/02 3:52pm

chookalana

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joeycoco said:

chookalana said:


If Prince was really threatened or hated companies like Sabotage and Thunderball why does he not go after them?


He isn't really, but as he has said in the past, he really dislikes people making money off these bootlegs.

Why does Sabotage & Thunderball send him a copy of everything they make?


They don't, who told you this crap?

These companies make NO PROFIT !!!



Bullshit.


#1 - Yes they do

#2 - These companies make enough to survive, hence NO PROFIT. No one is making any $$$, they make enough to release the next album

#3 - I love people like you who think they know anything about Prince, talking out of your ass for so long. And every time they have a screen name like Joey Coco, or another Prince reference to make them seem closer to their idol.

Think before you speak, before your colors run all over us...
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
uzi RIAA
mac 'nuff said.
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Reply #69 posted 07/01/02 4:15pm

Supernova

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DavidEye said:

Yes,I have heard people explain how some of these songs escape the locked vaults of Paisley Park (he makes copies of songs for friends who then bootleg them)


That's not the only way for them to be leaked. Not nearly.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #70 posted 07/01/02 4:20pm

randomduck

DavidEye said:



Prince tried to shut down Uptown Magazine for discussing his unreleased recordings.Yet,he doesn't go after Sabotage Records and Thunderball Records for SELLING his unreleased recordings??

I wonder about this too.
I heard cause they are based in Europe, that has something to do with it. Could anyone clarify this?
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Reply #71 posted 07/01/02 4:37pm

2the9s

Open Letter to RandomDuck

"Dear RandomDuck,

uzi duck

Sincerely,

2the9s"


mr.green
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Reply #72 posted 07/01/02 4:43pm

randomduck

2the9s said:

Open Letter to RandomDuck

"Dear RandomDuck,

uzi duck

Sincerely,

2the9s"


mr.green

Shouldn't this have been more appropriate as an orgnote?
No need to bring personal stuff on the forum, lets keep things on topic, okay?
wink:p
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Reply #73 posted 07/01/02 4:47pm

bkw

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2the9s said:

Open Letter to RandomDuck

"Dear RandomDuck,

uzi duck

Sincerely,

2the9s"


mr.green

lol
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #74 posted 07/01/02 4:49pm

randomduck

bkw said:

2the9s said:

Open Letter to RandomDuck

"Dear RandomDuck,

uzi duck

Sincerely,

2the9s"


mr.green

lol

Et tu bkw? evil
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Reply #75 posted 07/01/02 5:03pm

bkw

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randomduck said:

bkw said:

2the9s said:

Open Letter to RandomDuck

"Dear RandomDuck,

uzi duck

Sincerely,

2the9s"


mr.green

lol

Et tu bkw? evil

No sweetheart. smile

I'm just laughing at 9s. I would never fire an uzi at you Duckie! eek
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #76 posted 07/06/02 10:22pm

pcnbwld

BanishedBrian said:



I find this post completely pathetic. If you really have decided that bootlegs are immoral, that's fine... don't buy them. However, this letter is just a manipulative attempt at getting some personal recognition from Prince. In reality, your secret hope here is that Prince will acknowledge your letter publicly by making some allusion to it on the NPGMC web-site.

If you had mailed Prince your collection of 300 bootlegs (without making CDRs first, lol)... then I would find your letter sincere. Instead, I find it empty and self-interested. When Prince fails to acknowledge it, you'll be back on the net downloading the music like everyone else.

--
There is no need to agree with EVERYTHING Prince says and does!



Well, I know this thread is dead, but since I started it I thought I could close it up. BanishedBrian is probably right, I probably did hope for some visibility or something for my action. Perhaps that's why I have posted it here. I was pretty buzzed from the Celebration when I wrote the letter an sent off the CD, so my motives are a bit hazy even to me at this point. =)

I certainly do not agree with everthing Prince says or does - in fact, I disagree with quite a lot of it. [The man is a wacked-out freak that seems to change his mind every six months - but he is the most talented and prolific wacked-out freak I have ever encountered and his music touches my "soul."] But regardless of all that, I respect an artist's right to distribute (or not distribute) their work as they choose.

I do like a lot of the discussion here - and I stick by my position. (And by the way I did send off my entire - 1 disc - bootleg collection.) I have no issues with all y'all that made and make different choices - I respect your views. I have met a lot of you and you are with very few exceptions extremely cool and good hearted people.

Peace and be wild!
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Reply #77 posted 07/07/02 1:05am

Abrazo

randomduck said:

DavidEye said:



Prince tried to shut down Uptown Magazine for discussing his unreleased recordings.Yet,he doesn't go after Sabotage Records and Thunderball Records for SELLING his unreleased recordings??

I wonder about this too.
I heard cause they are based in Europe, that has something to do with it. Could anyone clarify this?


Italy has some obscure and controversial laws that make it possible for bootleg companies to 'legally' operate their business. This doesn't mean that trading in bootlegs in other countries is legal, it only means that they can operate their business in Italy.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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