mplsfunk said: I admire your honesty... my only problem is that I think that Prince is the one who releases the bootlegs. You watch and see... the Acoustic set performed by Prince at this years Celebration is going to end up on DVD really soon. I saw the cameraman hand the tapes over to Prince's bodyguard- I guess we will see what happens
I thought about that - but I don't understand why he would release them in that way, especially at this point (no longer under contract) he can charge just as much officially. And if you think about all the security and staff that rotate through Paisley... Then again, I don't understand why Prince does much of what he does. Maybe if your right he'll send me the CD back. I would love to see him release a DVD of the entire weeks shows - yowsa. | |
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pcnbwld said: mplsfunk said: I admire your honesty... my only problem is that I think that Prince is the one who releases the bootlegs. You watch and see... the Acoustic set performed by Prince at this years Celebration is going to end up on DVD really soon. I saw the cameraman hand the tapes over to Prince's bodyguard- I guess we will see what happens
I thought about that - but I don't understand why he would release them in that way, especially at this point (no longer under contract) he can charge just as much officially. And if you think about all the security and staff that rotate through Paisley... Then again, I don't understand why Prince does much of what he does. Maybe if your right he'll send me the CD back. I would love to see him release a DVD of the entire weeks shows - yowsa. theC because there is something enticing about the underground. example:the black album was the most sought after prince album because it was underground.there r some decent tracks on there.but r u dying 2 play it now?all u wanted 2 do was own it.i have heard that prince is playing the jimi hendricks game(as big an underground following as retail). | |
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GoldNigga said: Bladerunner said: If he spent 2,000 on himself and his wife to see a show he paid for a lot more than just two tickets to see the concert. And even if he paid for all 3 concerts at the Kodak for 2 people it didn't cost that much.
The guy didn't break down his expenses, but the $2,000 probably covers air fare for 2, a hotel room for 2, show tickets for 2 for a couple of nights, meals and maybe transportation. Well of course but thats the case for a ton of shows. Not just Prince's. Ticket prices for a lot of performers are way too high today. | |
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Fuckin wimp! "
First I need a picture of your mother, to verify the fact that there's not another one in the universe so supreme!!" | |
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shouldn't u address this to prince himself instead to fans who are concerned about some shirt??
why the guilt when u prince never been free? | |
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One person who said they paid $1,800 to be at the first celebration and was very disappointed and said the experience wasn't worth the money. Those of you who went this year and got your money's worth, good for you. --- Melody said: He would pay more than that to go to Disneyworld and come home with nothing. Choose how you want to enjoy your money. Stop whining if you make the wrong choice. --- SWINGER SAID: I'm just making it clear that Prince is not some spiritual saintly being who does things out of the goodness of his heart. He did not *give* you anything out of the goodness of his heart. He did not perform because he appreciated the people who came from all over the world to be there. He performed because he was paid $250,000. ___ Melody said: ___ What kind of a mathematician are you? If you take in $250,000, that is gross receipts, there are many expenses, not the least of which was pay for all the other performers, workers, gifts etc.that have to be figured in. You don't know what the net profits were. I hope it was more than $250,000 for all the joy and satisfaction we received. And as long as you paid $0, you should be satisfied. You paid nothing, received nothing. Another thing I wonder. How do you know what Prince's motives are? Since when did you become a heart-reader? Why did he spend some of the money on the movie for everyone? Why did he work so hard every nite to please the audience? He could have given much less. _ _ - So...how's everybody doing? | |
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SensualMelody said:[quote] Swinger said: One person who said they paid $1,800 to be at the first celebration and was very disappointed and said the experience wasn't worth the money. Those of you who went this year and got your money's worth, good for you. --- Melody said: He would pay more than that to go to Disneyworld and come home with nothing. Choose how you want to enjoy your money. Stop whining if you make the wrong choice. --- SWINGER SAID: I'm just making it clear that Prince is not some spiritual saintly being who does things out of the goodness of his heart. He did not *give* you anything out of the goodness of his heart. He did not perform because he appreciated the people who came from all over the world to be there. He performed because he was paid $250,000. ___ Melody said: ___ What kind of a mathematician are you? If you take in $250,000, that is gross receipts, there are many expenses, not the least of which was pay for all the other performers, workers, gifts etc.that have to be figured in. You don't know what the net profits were. I hope it was more than $250,000 for all the joy and satisfaction we received. And as long as you paid $0, you should be satisfied. You paid nothing, received nothing. Another thing I wonder. How do you know what Prince's motives are? Since when did you become a heart-reader? Why did he spend some of the money on the movie for everyone? Why did he work so hard every nite to please the audience? He could have given much less. _ _ - Erm, I already posted previously that my best guestimate is that his expenses for this celebration including rental fees for tents, toilets, and chairs and performers' fees is probably in the $50,000 range, giving him a profit of about $200,000 if not more. It doesn't take a mind reader to figure out that the money Prince was paid to perform was his motivation. If it wasn't, then he would have given his best effort at every celebration. At the first celebration, people came from all over the world, spent who knows how much to be there, and Prince refused to play even one note of music at Paisley. I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you say $0 was paid. You must be crazy. Prince charged a fee for the celebration, which I paid along with everybody else. Don't you see what I'm saying here? If he was the kind-hearted and giving person that he wants people to believe he is, he had the perfect opportunity to do something out of the goodness of his heart. He had the perfect opportunity do something out of the kindness of his heart for 2,000 of his most loyal followers and he refused. His "gift" to us was an empty CD case with a picture of him with his back turned to his audience, which is a perfect symbol of what Prince has given to me. What he did at this year's celebration was NOT a gift. He performed because he was paid. Prince | |
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It doesn't take a mind reader to figure out that the money Prince was paid to perform was his motivation. If it wasn't, then he would have given his best effort at every celebration.
I live in MPLS and didn't attend previous celebrations because they seemed lame and uninteresting to me. This year, for the price, rocked. I know you did your "calculations" and who knows how much he paid for all that shit. I could care less if he made $200,000 or $50,000. All I know is that my $250 was well spent this year. I have no clue if he payed Norah Jones $150 or $10,000...who knows and who cares. The little bastard made some serious cash, but this year he made EVERYONE smile. You bet your ass there are some serious Prince fantatics that don't know how to criticize him when needed, but this year, he doesn't need the criticism. He came through, and if you were there, you would have agreed. If it breaks when it bends, you better not put it in. | |
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pcnbwld said: I thought about that - but I don't understand why he would release them in that way, especially at this point (no longer under contract) he can charge just as much officially. And if you think about all the security and staff that rotate through Paisley...
You can be certain that not only will Prince never see your letter, but it (and a great cd) will find their way into a dumpster behind Paisley Park for some trash picking "fam" to find.Then again, I don't understand why Prince does much of what he does. Maybe if your right he'll send me the CD back. | |
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Carl ROCKS, yo. | |
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? [This message was edited Wed Feb 26 1:10:23 PST 2003 by IstenSzek] and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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?. [This message was edited Wed Feb 26 1:10:44 PST 2003 by IstenSzek] and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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pcnbwld said: The ticket price for the Celebration is truly nominal—the quality and abundance of music is easily worth 5 times the price. !!! | |
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IstenSzek said: See, I always figured Londell McMillan to be some skinny white specs wearing, bad hairstyled git in a pin-striped suit Hehe. | |
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Bladerunner said: If he spent 2,000 on himself and his wife to see a show he paid for a lot more than just two tickets to see the concert. And even if he paid for all 3 concerts at the Kodak for 2 people it didn't cost that much. | |
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Bladerunner said: If he spent 2,000 on himself and his wife to see a show he paid for a lot more than just two tickets to see the concert. And even if he paid for all 3 concerts at the Kodak for 2 people it didn't cost that much.
I am that guy...Let's see, a little over a week notice be4 the shows were confirmed so ticket prices round trip from Honolulu were pretty high. 2 nights staying at the hotel located next to the theatre ran a little around 350.00 (including parking fees) Tickets 2 both nights-(500.00) rental car for three days 165.00---food and all the other concert memorabilia-200.00...yea you're easily looking at 3 grand...Me being a die hard fan since I was 13 ( going on 17 years) and my wife finally getting 2 see what it's like to exp. the Prince that I've dug 4 so long and influenced certain things in me---priceless!!! Only bad thing was that now that she exp. Prince in such an intimate setting-there was no way that I could go to the Celebration without her...Saving up 4 us 2 go next year...Aloha~ & I would do it again in a heartbeat!!! | |
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One of the main reasons I mindlessly continue to support Prince's endeavors (and regret it later) is because of the bootleg material that I obtained.
His fans' fascination and networking of unreleased tracks has helped sustain his career, especially with the past several years of garbage he's chosen to officially release. It wouldn't be to far a stretch of the imagination to assume many of you keep dropping money on NPGMC, Crystal Balls, and other stuff with the hopes of finally obtaining some clear copies of all those songs youve come to know and love. The music is sitting around on a shelf, not making money anyhow. Its becoming more and more unlikely that he will ever release it any time soon, especially now that he doesn't swear any more, and his bible thumpin ways have caused him to renege on much of what he sang in the past. The whole bootleg phenomena was/still is free advertising for Prince. I think many people would have jumped ship a LONG time ago had they never experienced the unreleased stuff. My penalty for buying bootlegs is paying fat cash for them versus regular prices, and accepting the poor sound quality. I don't owe Prince jack for purchasing them. Let him go after the bootleggers themselves and sue them if he chooses to. | |
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wishuhvn said: Bladerunner said: If he spent 2,000 on himself and his wife to see a show he paid for a lot more than just two tickets to see the concert. And even if he paid for all 3 concerts at the Kodak for 2 people it didn't cost that much.
I am that guy...Let's see, a little over a week notice be4 the shows were confirmed so ticket prices round trip from Honolulu were pretty high. 2 nights staying at the hotel located next to the theatre ran a little around 350.00 (including parking fees) Tickets 2 both nights-(500.00) rental car for three days 165.00---food and all the other concert memorabilia-200.00...yea you're easily looking at 3 grand...Me being a die hard fan since I was 13 ( going on 17 years) and my wife finally getting 2 see what it's like to exp. the Prince that I've dug 4 so long and influenced certain things in me---priceless!!! Only bad thing was that now that she exp. Prince in such an intimate setting-there was no way that I could go to the Celebration without her...Saving up 4 us 2 go next year...Aloha~ & I would do it again in a heartbeat!!! I'm not talking about non-ticket prices. Fans spend what they want to spend and they have to live with their decision. | |
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pcnbwld said: Dear Prince,
This year you opened your house to your fans and fams once again and provided us with a week of great music, fun, and learning. Your hospitality was gracious, inspirational, and, above all, generous. Thank you Prince. I am not, however, writing this to belabor my gratitude; I am writing this to share an experience and return something to you that should never have come into my possession. A few months before the celebration there was a buzz around the Prince fan community regarding the 20-CD set of studio outtakes entitled ‘The Work (Volumes I-V).’ It was touted as the most comprehensive collection of its kind and a “must have” for the “serious fan.” Waiting in line for the One Night Alone show in Seattle, I again heard rave reviews for this set – it wasn’t so much that it was anything new (at least to those with bootleg collections) but that it was so complete and of such high quality. About a week before the 3rd annual Celebration I discovered the first 2 discs of ‘The Work’ on the ‘net as streaming Real Audio. After hearing them I decided to search the set down. Listening to those RA files was a revelation; I realized that there was an entire alternative career available from the man who was already, with the official releases alone, one of the most prolific and compelling artists in history. 20 hour-long CDs of Prince music I had never heard? How could I pass that up? A couple of days before the Celebration I tracked down a source for this collection (with a price tag of $300.00) and left for Minneapolis with the intention of purchasing the set upon my return to Seattle. I have been an avid fan since I first heard ‘When Doves Cry’ when I was 18. Like many fans, I have every album and several extended singles, but with only one exception I have never purchased a bootleg. I had always respected the fact that had you wanted me to hear this music, you would have released it yourself. As I set off to this year’s Celebration, my long held resolve had been shaken; the temptation to own and experience all of that amazing music had proven too great. But during the course of the week my feelings changed. I am no longer tempted and in fact I feel compelled to, in at least a small way, rectify an injustice as best I can. The ticket price for the Celebration is truly nominal—the quality and abundance of music is easily worth 5 times the price. Apart from the music, you have always provided entertaining activities and a welcoming and friendly atmosphere. Last year you even opened the greater part of Paisley Park for the attending fans simply to hang out in and enjoy. It was this atmosphere of openness, generosity, and family hospitality that brought me back to my senses. Many fans will say I am a fool and that I don’t know what I am missing – but it is really a simple choice. Would I support someone who came into my house, invited or not, and made copies of my journal or diary and sold it on the Internet? Would I support someone who came into my office and took pictures of paintings or drawings I had done, printed them up as posters, and sold them or even gave them away? Would I support someone that recorded a talk, a poetry reading, or a song I performed and distributed it without my permission for their profit? The answer is simple: no. Needless to say, I won’t be purchasing ‘The Work (Volumes I-V).’ The one bootleg that I “own” is a “fan compilation” of ‘Madhouse 24’ that I found on E-Bay. Although it contains some very cool music, I apologize for ever making the choice that brought it into my possession; I have enclosed my one and only copy with this letter; I feel that I should return it to its rightful owner. I realize that this is a symbolic gesture at best – but it is important to me. I want you to know that I am listening, that I respect your art, and your privacy. Thank you for sharing so much of yourself with me. You are a constant source of inspiration and you have truly made a difference in my life. Live 4 Love, Carl Bystrom PCNBWLD 06/29/02 [I mailed this letter with the CD enclosed to Paisley Park this morning. I am not posting this here to "preach" or chastise those who have made different choices; but simply to share my thoughts and feelings, and my decision, regarding a difficult subject that concerns most of us here. Thanks.] I find this post completely pathetic. If you really have decided that bootlegs are immoral, that's fine... don't buy them. However, this letter is just a manipulative attempt at getting some personal recognition from Prince. In reality, your secret hope here is that Prince will acknowledge your letter publicly by making some allusion to it on the NPGMC web-site. If you had mailed Prince your collection of 300 bootlegs (without making CDRs first, lol)... then I would find your letter sincere. Instead, I find it empty and self-interested. When Prince fails to acknowledge it, you'll be back on the net downloading the music like everyone else. I don't agree with Swinger's "naysayer" sentiments, but let's at least maintain a little bit of self-respect here! There is no need to agree with EVERYTHING Prince says and does! In the case of bootlegs, Prince has always been a hypocrite in every way about them. (We could start a whole thread just about that!) There is nothing wrong with buying Prince "bootlegs". While "pirating" released material is completely wrong, bootlegging is actually in Prince's interests. The fact that he fails to see that is his problem. If Prince wants people to stop buying boots, all he has to do is sell the music himself. Prince claims that his songs are his "children" (including those that are unreleased), right? Bootleggers are essentially saving his children from Prince's attempt at aborting them. I thought JWs were pro-life?!? WTF! No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: I find this post completely pathetic. If you really have decided that bootlegs are immoral, that's fine... don't buy them. However, this letter is just a manipulative attempt at getting some personal recognition from Prince. In reality, your secret hope here is that Prince will acknowledge your letter publicly by making some allusion to it on the NPGMC web-site. There's been enough posts from people who have mailed things to Paisley that peeps should know that it's pointless to send anything there. Anything you send to Paisley is either thrown out, returned to sender, or if it's something that's of use to them, they'll use it without ever acknowledging where they got it. | |
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Not necessarily. If he really wants the bootlegging to stop (whether he does or not I don't know), he doesn't have to sell it himself. Maybe he doesnt want that music on the market at all. Just because a recording artist has a ton of unreleased music doesn't mean he/she wants to have it all on the market. We as fans see this from the point of view of what WE can get out of it when we think like that. The person who started this thread isn't telling others what to do with their own bootleg collections so there really shouldn't be a big controversy about that. | |
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I posted my "Around the world in a cheeseboard" selection hamper of world cheeses to Paisley Park 5 years ago, and never heard a thing. | |
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Bladerunner said: Not necessarily. If he really wants the bootlegging to stop (whether he does or not I don't know), he doesn't have to sell it himself. Maybe he doesnt want that music on the market at all. Just because a recording artist has a ton of unreleased music doesn't mean he/she wants to have it all on the market. We as fans see this from the point of view of what WE can get out of it when we think like that.
I agree with you that Prince may not want the material on the market at all. My point is who really cares what Prince wants? Once a piece of art falls into the public domain, I don't see why Prince should have any more say than me on whether or not I get to hear it. What if Picasso's estate declared that some of his paintings are really "demos", were never meant to be seen, and therefore must be destroyed. Would you do it? I wouldn't. Prince has never articulated any good reason why his unreleased and live recording should not be on the market. If he has articulates a legitimate reason, then I will listen. I have no problem with him saying that the proceeds should go to him and not the bootleggers, but I don't support his right to keep recordings off the market forever. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BorisFishpaw said: I posted my "Around the world in a cheeseboard" selection hamper of world cheeses to Paisley Park 5 years ago, and never heard a thing.
It got lost in the post, it reached them yestarday. They had to call the fire brigade. _________________________________________
"Every morning when I awake, the greatest of joys is mine: that of being Zthe9s... " | |
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BanishedBrian said: Bladerunner said: Not necessarily. If he really wants the bootlegging to stop (whether he does or not I don't know), he doesn't have to sell it himself. Maybe he doesnt want that music on the market at all. Just because a recording artist has a ton of unreleased music doesn't mean he/she wants to have it all on the market. We as fans see this from the point of view of what WE can get out of it when we think like that.
I agree with you that Prince may not want the material on the market at all. My point is who really cares what Prince wants? Once a piece of art falls into the public domain, I don't see why Prince should have any more say than me on whether or not I get to hear it. What if Picasso's estate declared that some of his paintings are really "demos", were never meant to be seen, and therefore must be destroyed. Would you do it? I wouldn't. Prince has never articulated any good reason why his unreleased and live recording should not be on the market. If he has articulates a legitimate reason, then I will listen. I have no problem with him saying that the proceeds should go to him and not the bootleggers, but I don't support his right to keep recordings off the market forever. Obviously he doesn't have a say with what goes on with what's already out there on boots. But to say you don't suppport someone's right to keep some of their own work off the market is just silly. Forget Prince, this goes beyond him. It's the artist's right if they don't want every single thing they record on the market. Just like the director of a movie has the right to take out certain scenes he or she doesn't feel fits within the movie. When or if the work is already out there, then whatever goes on, goes on. They can't exactly stop that. | |
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pcnbwld, I totally feel where you are coming from. I don't own any boots, nor am I interested in any because I prefer what Prince intended me to have. I know my decision has been the right one for me; ESPECIALLY, after being a beneficiary of his hospitality this past week.
Folks are on Prince quick, fast and in a hurry about what he charged for the Celebration. We are so selfish that we only think about what we get for our hard earned money. We rarely give any thought to how much it costs to pull off such a feat. I'm sure those curtains surrounding the non stage walls of the soundstage cost a pretty penny. Shit happens; the A/C went down. I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to have people come out on a Sunday (of all days) to get the A/C working in time for Sunday nights performances. I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to fly in all the musical guests AND their equipment...set them up in hotels...fly them and their equipment back to wherever, etc. Prince's lawyer gave FREE legal advice on music business issues to upstart musicians in attendance to his workshop. Prince and the Paisley Park staff GAVE us members the "keys to the vault" this year. It's my wish that those who attended really sit back and think about every day, every experience, every discussion. WHAT was Xenophobia all about??? Example; Prince has been trying to rap off and on for 10+ years now. But, the flow hadn't been there. Did ya'll hear him rap during the song "Prince and the Band"??? He was FLOWING. The man has found HIS flow. That particular night, he had to hide behind his keyboards to do it...too, he had to turn the lights off to do it...but, he did it. Some of you could care less about rap, but, for those of us who do enjoy it, should Prince decide to include it in future works, we have one more genre of music to appreciate in his reporteiore (sp?). Too, it won't be vulgar and disrespectful because Prince don't live there, ya know? In front of us members, Prince exposed and worked through his fear w/ his ability to rap. On all levels, it is CLEAR Prince IS doing the Work. He is showing us how to do it too. We just need to find that quiet spot in our space and listen. Finally, to bite on something Femi told my workshop group that Prince told him some time ago; Femi (we) can be APART of history being made...or, Femi (we) can WATCH history being made. Prince IS making history and I'm TOTALLY appreciative of him allowing me to be apart of it. All the LOVE in the world to those who could attend and also to those who couldn't. I hope to see EVERYBODY out experiencing the Paisley LOVE next year. As Prince said one night, "I'll be the first to admit I am many things, but the one thing I am not is ungreatful." He was saying how he is greatful to the music club members for sticking w/ him through thick and thin. Music club members, it's time we RISE!!! | |
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jtea4p said: pcnbwld, I totally feel where you are coming from. I don't own any boots, nor am I interested in any because I prefer what Prince intended me to have. I know my decision has been the right one for me; ESPECIALLY, after being a beneficiary of his hospitality this past week.
Folks are on Prince quick, fast and in a hurry about what he charged for the Celebration. We are so selfish that we only think about what we get for our hard earned money. We rarely give any thought to how much it costs to pull off such a feat. I'm sure those curtains surrounding the non stage walls of the soundstage cost a pretty penny. Shit happens; the A/C went down. I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to have people come out on a Sunday (of all days) to get the A/C working in time for Sunday nights performances. I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to fly in all the musical guests AND their equipment...set them up in hotels...fly them and their equipment back to wherever, etc. Prince's lawyer gave FREE legal advice on music business issues to upstart musicians in attendance to his workshop. Prince and the Paisley Park staff GAVE us members the "keys to the vault" this year. It's my wish that those who attended really sit back and think about every day, every experience, every discussion. WHAT was Xenophobia all about??? Example; Prince has been trying to rap off and on for 10+ years now. But, the flow hadn't been there. Did ya'll hear him rap during the song "Prince and the Band"??? He was FLOWING. The man has found HIS flow. That particular night, he had to hide behind his keyboards to do it...too, he had to turn the lights off to do it...but, he did it. Some of you could care less about rap, but, for those of us who do enjoy it, should Prince decide to include it in future works, we have one more genre of music to appreciate in his reporteiore (sp?). Too, it won't be vulgar and disrespectful because Prince don't live there, ya know? In front of us members, Prince exposed and worked through his fear w/ his ability to rap. On all levels, it is CLEAR Prince IS doing the Work. He is showing us how to do it too. We just need to find that quiet spot in our space and listen. Finally, to bite on something Femi told my workshop group that Prince told him some time ago; Femi (we) can be APART of history being made...or, Femi (we) can WATCH history being made. Prince IS making history and I'm TOTALLY appreciative of him allowing me to be apart of it. All the LOVE in the world to those who could attend and also to those who couldn't. I hope to see EVERYBODY out experiencing the Paisley LOVE next year. As Prince said one night, "I'll be the first to admit I am many things, but the one thing I am not is ungreatful." He was saying how he is greatful to the music club members for sticking w/ him through thick and thin. Music club members, it's time we RISE!!! wow! can u describe some of the stuff the free legal advice was about? thanks. | |
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Bladerunner said: Obviously he doesn't have a say with what goes on with what's already out there on boots. But to say you don't suppport someone's right to keep some of their own work off the market is just silly. Forget Prince, this goes beyond him. It's the artist's right if they don't want every single thing they record on the market. Just like the director of a movie has the right to take out certain scenes he or she doesn't feel fits within the movie. When or if the work is already out there, then whatever goes on, goes on. They can't exactly stop that.
First of all, I was speaking specifically about the outtakes and live material that's already out there. I see no reason why someone should have a moral objection to listening to it. Obviously, Prince has no responsibility to release material that hasn't already leaked out. I agree with you 100% on that. However, when directors exclude scenes, they don't go around obsessing about keeping those outtakes private. Usually, they throw them in the DVD special edition just to show what they thought didn't work. Bootlegs are just like the bonus material on DVDs. Just because Prince's boots are circulating doesn't mean that Prince didn't have complete control over how his music was heard on the albums that he released. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: Bladerunner said: Obviously he doesn't have a say with what goes on with what's already out there on boots. But to say you don't suppport someone's right to keep some of their own work off the market is just silly. Forget Prince, this goes beyond him. It's the artist's right if they don't want every single thing they record on the market. Just like the director of a movie has the right to take out certain scenes he or she doesn't feel fits within the movie. When or if the work is already out there, then whatever goes on, goes on. They can't exactly stop that.
First of all, I was speaking specifically about the outtakes and live material that's already out there. I see no reason why someone should have a moral objection to listening to it. Obviously, Prince has no responsibility to release material that hasn't already leaked out. I agree with you 100% on that. However, when directors exclude scenes, they don't go around obsessing about keeping those outtakes private. Usually, they throw them in the DVD special edition just to show what they thought didn't work. Bootlegs are just like the bonus material on DVDs. Just because Prince's boots are circulating doesn't mean that Prince didn't have complete control over how his music was heard on the albums that he released. It really makes no difference if the director obsesses about it, it was just an example. But what I said had nothing to do with the albums he releases. | |
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