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PrintableNovabreaker said: SenseOfDoubt said: - the total length of the song (ripped on my hd), is 3:13.733 - the sound ends at ca. 3:12:2xx Do you mean there is one second silence at the end of the track? Or do you mean the song was originally of different length altogether on the original CD than what came out of the ripping process? In the latter case, all computers have their unique synchronization values in regards with their soundcard and motherboard conjunctively, which can often result in mismatching lengths in recorded/ripped audio (it happens). In the first case, there's just some added silence so that "Venus De Milo" doesn't hit straight off after "Life Can Be So Nice", that simple. At least there seemed to be silence at the end (but there is that little echoe), and the waveform shows something "going on", very quite indeed. I guess it's okay so, but I was insecure since - if you do not listen exactly - it seemed to be a mistake  Thank you very much for your detailed answer! | |
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I just wish there had been a 12" of this song. Some of the extended portion appears in the UTCM movie. Keep your headphones on. | |
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SenseOfDoubt said: At least there seemed to be silence at the end (but there is that little echoe), and the waveform shows something "going on" It's probably the reverb tail of the song. That means Prince made the abrupt ending himself and when the album was mastered by some other individuals they added some more reverb too in the mastering process. Other explanation could be that the ending was made with a "mute" button on the console instead of splicing the tape, and the "something going on" is channel leakage (in a mix like that I wouldn't be surprised that would happen even on a pro console). Just guessing. I'll examine it closer myself this evening when I get to home. I have too much damn free time anyway.  | |
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This is one of my favorite weird Prince songs, not really any style of music, just plain creative.
The song gets more & more frantic, it just seems appropriate that there's not a typical ending to it. It reminds me of the Beatles' I Want You (She's So Heavy) where the impression is that it could go on forever getting more & more intense, but like someone said above, we just couldn't handle it! Check this song out at:
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Yes, it's merely an error in the post-production process.
If you boost up the volume on the silent part you'll hear "so nice" sung by the band, which would indicate to me that for instance the ending on the original tape was done with a mute button on the console when downmixing the whole track. Since the "so nice" part doesn't flow with the appropriate part of the rhythmic structure it might have been that for instance a reverb/delay unit had been inserted to a different channel and that's why we hear the leakage at the end. It could be alternatively also that the main channel was leaking and during splicing up the master tape for the full release (these albums were mastered from analog sources to analog media) the inaudible "so nice" part still ended up on the "Parade" album. Mystery somewhat solved. 
It could be (somewhat) itneresting to see once and if we'll get the remasters of the Prince albums one day whether that part will still be there or not. | |
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Novabreaker said: Yes, it's merely an error in the post-production process.
If you boost up the volume on the silent part you'll hear "so nice" sung by the band, which would indicate to me that for instance the ending on the original tape was done with a mute button on the console when downmixing the whole track. Since the "so nice" part doesn't flow with the appropriate part of the rhythmic structure it might have been that for instance a reverb/delay unit had been inserted to a different channel and that's why we hear the leakage at the end. It could be alternatively also that the main channel was leaking and during splicing up the master tape for the full release (these albums were mastered from analog sources to analog media) the inaudible "so nice" part still ended up on the "Parade" album. Mystery somewhat solved.
It could be (somewhat) itneresting to see once and if we'll get the remasters of the Prince albums one day whether that part will still be there or not. Thank you very much for your effort  | |
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jdcxc said: SenseOfDoubt said: Does anyone know the Tutu album by Miles? It came also out in 86, and parts of it remind me vey much of Parade and vice versa. Marcus Miller - who wrote most of the songs -, once said that his bass playing was influenced by Prince, especially the phrasing. I think that I have heard it, at least...
Miles and Prince were collaborating by exchanging tapes of new compositions just prior to Tutu. I don't think anything made it on to Tutu but Miles was looking for a vibe that incorporated Princely elements. Miles was also playing a Prince composition in concert during this period. Also, Miles performed on a Chaka Khan Prince song in 1986. You can notice a prominent placement of a Miles album cover in a UTCM scene. There was a lot of mutual admiration going on between the two geniuses right before his death. I believe a Prince letter was read at Miles' funeral. Too bad there wasn't time for a more formal collaboration. They were both iconoclasts who march to a strange, brilliant drummer. 
I love them both to pieces..they are easily my two favorite artists and I love the fact that they had so much respect and admiration for each other. A former friend went on the stuido tour at Paisley in '04 and she was telling me that Miles' Photo was in one of the studios....how cool is that? Miles had a GREAT deal of respect for Prince. He spoke VERY highly of him in his autobiography. | |
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I love them both to pieces..they are easily my two favorite artists and I love the fact that they had so much respect and admiration for each other. A former friend went on the stuido tour at Paisley in '04 and she was telling me that Miles' Photo was in one of the studios....how cool is that? Miles had a GREAT deal of respect for Prince. He spoke VERY highly of him in his autobiography. That's very, very true. A few years back I used to listen to Miles' all the time (especially Tutu, Aura, and Agharta). At this time I found out that they once shared a stage... I was highly impressed. | |
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pepper7 said:[quote]Yes it's a funny little song.
I can remember my friend Rachel pointing out the lyrics "Scramble eggs so boring" and I realised that there was nobody else in the world who could write that !! Pricelessly quirky and peculiar... Wendy & Lisa were introducing Prince to the music of The Beatles during this period and this lyric is a clever reference to the original lyrics to the song "Yesterday". When Paul McCartney originally wrote Yesterday, he says he woke up one morning with the melody in his head and quickly made up some temporary lyrics to keep the melody line in his memory. "Scrambled eggs Have an omelet with some muenster cheese. Put your dishes in the washbin please so I can clean the scrambled eggs. Join me, do There are lots of eggs for me and you I've got ham and cheese and bacon too so go get two and join me, do. Fried or sunny-side just aren't right. The mix-bowl begs. Quick - go get a pan and we'll scram-ble up some eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs. Scrambled eggs Good for breakfast, dinnertime or brunch Don't buy six or twleve - buy a bunch and we'll have lunch on scrambled eggs." Anyway, Prince's lyric is intended to mean: "Scrambled eggs (Yesterday)...so boring, for (now) you're all, all that I want to know." . [Edited 1/19/06 12:31pm] | |
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on many reel to reel albums, one layer of the master tape would very slightly magnetize and bleed thorugh to the next layer resulting in an echo that could be heard in very very quiet parts. this was a very common phenonemon in the storage of reel to reel analog masters. I don't know if this is what is happening on Parade, I need to go listen to it.
Novabreaker said: Yes, it's merely an error in the post-production process.
If you boost up the volume on the silent part you'll hear "so nice" sung by the band, which would indicate to me that for instance the ending on the original tape was done with a mute button on the console when downmixing the whole track. Since the "so nice" part doesn't flow with the appropriate part of the rhythmic structure it might have been that for instance a reverb/delay unit had been inserted to a different channel and that's why we hear the leakage at the end. It could be alternatively also that the main channel was leaking and during splicing up the master tape for the full release (these albums were mastered from analog sources to analog media) the inaudible "so nice" part still ended up on the "Parade" album. Mystery somewhat solved.
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ufoclub said: on many reel to reel albums, one layer of the master tape would very slightly magnetize and bleed thorugh to the next layer resulting in an echo that could be heard in very very quiet parts. this was a very common phenonemon in the storage of reel to reel analog masters. I don't know if this is what is happening on Parade, I need to go listen to it.
Sounds just like it. I think that's it. Especially as it doesn't really remind of a delay or a reverb tail on second thought, but that's what I initially thought.  I didn't know a phenomenon like that existed, but then again my first engineering duty back in the day was done with Nuendo.  Muchos respect. | |
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