Now public schools can drug-test any child who wants to participate in extracurricular activities!! Hell yeah! Wow! That's just great. Now if you smoke pot, cigerettes, or drink a little beer, you'll never get a chance to be part of a group of healthy non-drug users cause you will be tested and banned from sports, band, choir, or anything else that might be good for you. Hopefully we can create a society that curtails specific possible free-thinkers and sets them so far outside the norm that they will be shamed into not graduating and becoming carreer criminals so we can lock them up. Wow! God Bless America!!

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[This message was edited Fri Jun 28 5:46:16 PDT 2002 by Cornerman]

Good policy.

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

Wow! What a fantastic idea! Let's keep the kids as far from distractions from drugs as possible! Now, instead of playing sports, singing in the choir, or acting in a play they can join a gang! This is a wonderful idea whose time has come! Not surprisingly, our brilliant president supports this decision (wonder how far he would have gotten in school if they'd had drug testing then?)! Clarence Thomas, America thanks you!!!

Funny how every politician from here to Timbuktu is crying foul when it comes to a spoken recital(the pledge of allegiance) but no one seems to care much that we are treating our youngsters like criminals or that the Supreme
Court has approved public sponsored school vouchers for private/religious education.
As if public schooling doesn't have enough going against it, now this. jeez.

...In theory it sounds great, any inner city kid can pick and choose from a host of private schools right?...but every private school in the US can refuse to enroll any child without just cause-public schools cannot-> which translates into...white suburban kids will benefit greatly from this, urban area kids-black, white, latino, etc-will not.

Betcha they left that out when the Republican party explained that to you.

...We're slowly becoming the Divided States of America.
Sad but true.

i'd engage in this debate but its not in the GD section and will be locked soon...


Cant wait for return of GD.

This is all bullshit of the highest order, and always has been. The very nature of being required to prove your own innocence runs counter to everything this country is supposed to be about, and shame on us as a society for letting it happen by willingly surrendering our rights to privacy and naively assuming that if we personally have nothing to hide, than we naturally have nothing to fear.

Check what happens when you apply for a job these days: personal background checks, a big cup of urine, psychological screening, credit check(!)...now aint THAT a bitch; if you have bad credit, you'll be denied the very opportunity that might help rectiify it. And why are WE (the workers) constantly being stonewalled and lied to about the companies that hire us?

But back to the point: the "war" on drugs is a dismal and horrible failure and a collosal waste of our tax dollars, prison space and courtrooms, founded on hypocrisy by the very individuals who profit from this so-called war, and sold to the American public so gradually and convincingly that it would make Big Brother look like Ralph Nader.

Sit back and enjoy the show folks. It's about to get MUCH worse.

VERY simple equation, people:

abstain from drugs = take any drug test & PASS it.


In terms of the background checks..
those, unfortunately, are more times than not necessary.
Lots of people outright LIE on their résumé: they add stuff, erase bad stuff, you name it.
Employers get burned in all sorts of ways because of that.
If I had a business where I HAD to have TOTAL trust in my employees, I'd do background checks AS WELL AS drug tests.
Yeah, I'll let some crack-head accountant embezzle funds from my company.. yeah, better to do that than to make him feel "uncomfortable," make him think his rights are "violated" for having him take a drug test..

Those companies who do/have scandalous problems.. those are the same companies where more than 1 person should've had a bg check done on them..!


I've never understood the rationale in ANY person choosing to take illegal drugs; to me it's WRONG, I've never done it, never will. Any adult who chooses to waste his time/health/money on drugs, that's his choice (but God help him if his bullshit drug use negatively affects me or anyone I know..) There is absolutely NO FUCKING BENEFIT for any high school student-
whose body, in most cases, is still growing & developing-
to take drugs.


I know people- I even have a few relatives- who have gotten into drugs &
TOTALLY
FUCKED THEIR LIVES UP. Most people know someone who's had drug problems, & you would think that seeing someone close to you go through all that bullshit, that would make a person stay away from drugs, but nooo...
"ah, it's not really hurting anybody"
"oh, I can stop whenever I want"
"all my 'friends' are doing it"
"oh, at least I'm not doing (a stronger drug).."
... & the bullshit excuses go on & on..

Yes, I have a "hard-core" stance against drugs. I do because I've seen firsthand what it's done to other people, & life is already too short, there are already enough challenges in life.. to create more drama & stress from taking illegal, harmful substances.

Yes, I'm hard-core against drugs because I know myself & I
KNOW
that if I ever started taking drugs, I'd get hooked & I'd FUCK UP my life, & then I'd have no 1 to blame but MYSELF for making that DUMBASSS choice.


To paraphrase that song:

the ONLY thing I'm testing positive for
IS
the funk..
so I'll
GLADLY
pee in anybody's cup!

mltijchr said:

That's great for you, but what you're saying is that because you don't understand/agree with it, and because therefore doesn't effect you that it's not ok for others to have a different view. Unfortunatly most of the things they told you in DARE aren't true. It's good to not do drugs, it's bad to believe that anyone who does is a bad person and deserves to be persicuted.

On top of that the real point here is that kids DO do drugs, many intelligent good students DO do drugs. To make them simply ineligble for extra activities is unnacceptable. All it does it create a mantality of seperation that keeps kids away from social particiapation and leaves them only the option to do drugs if they ever screw up. No second chance, no 'oops', no 'if'sandsorbuts'. Trust me, I didn't do a single extra thing in HS cause the tabacco companies had me in their snare with our buddy cigerettes. Tell you what, you can't sing in the choir and smoke, you can't play football and smoke, that's the rules. So what are your remaining options? Hang out and smoke and don't participate, feel ostrisized, and if you're weak begin your life of crime. Great system.

Cornerman said:

Yippeee! It doesn't matter anyway... Because we all know that kids who are in sports don't smoke pot...

No hold on, nevermind, when I was in highschool the biggest junkies in the school were the jocks.

If teenagers don't test drugs in High school. Where they gonna test them ???

mltijchr said:

Okay, so the kids who are doing drugs should be barred from participating in something that would motivate them to get off drugs? Yeah, that makes sense!

If a kid is banned from extracurricular activities, what is he/she going to do with his/her free time? Sit meekly around the house, doing his homework, saying "golly-gee! I sure do wish I hadn't smoked that joint! If I hadn't, right now I'd be a member of the choir!"? Does this seem likely to you? If it does, then I'd like to know how the government operates on your home planet, 'cause you sure as hell ain't livin' in this world!

DRUGS ARE A MEANS OF SOCIAL CONTROL.

If you want to eliminate a group of people invite drugs into their world.

I'm going to lock this thread, since it has nothing to do with Prince or his music. Sorry... General Discussion will probably reopen soon.