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PrintableAnd as a reward, you may enjoy more pure Shakespeare-esque lyrical genius from the good old 80's:[/b] We don't give a damn We just want to jam Party up (Party up, got to party up) That Army bag Such a double drag Party up (Party up, got to, got to, got to party up) (SNIP) didn't Morris Day write Party Up? I am REALLY SURE he did. [Edited 1/13/06 11:12am] | |
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Life O' The Party might be simplistic lyrically, but Prince has been writing lyrically simple stuff since day one. So what? Also, comparing it to When Doves Cry is like comparing an apple to an orange. "New Power slide...." |
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I don't knopw what it is.
When Doves Cry sounds real and sincere whereas Life O The Party sounds contrived and superficial. Lyrics like: Eye'm the life of the party 'Long as eye got Ur body Shakin' like a leaf on a tree Cutie come dance with me U and me, we got mad chemistry It sounds cheesy and false, like a sleezey bloke. "Cutie come dance with me" I'd probably hit anyone if they said that to me. It's really patronising. Shut up already, damn. | |
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Sorry, but I'd put the lyrics and the feeling in "Reflection" up against anything Prince has ever done. I enjoy it just as much. | |
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Alasseon said: This would be a lot more credible if the poster
a) ever wrote a song b) ever performed live c) was in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or d) knew how to spell "genius".  a- I do write songs b- I do perform a lot c- Prince is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for his good music. He's not in there for "My Name Is Prince", "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World", or "Life O The Party". It doesn't take a genious(please note mis-spelling Miss Beasly) to know why Prince is in the Hall Of Fame. He did write Purple Rain, Sign O The Times, ATWIAD, 1999, Controversy, Dirty Mind and Lovesexy. Amazing records. I prefer not to live in the past. A performer/musician needs to stay up to par to keep my attention. Prince at one time was God to me. He has lost his magic in my OPINION. d- See C Come to earth girl! | |
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EmancipationLover said: Wow!!! Now you really got it! You compared one of Prince's best songs ever, released in 1984, with an album track from 2004. And you found out the lyrics of the latter are weaker! You really must be Einstein or something!!!
And as a reward, you may enjoy more pure Shakespeare-esque lyrical genius from the good old 80's: We don't give a damn We just want to jam Party up (Party up, got to party up) That Army bag Such a double drag Party up (Party up, got to, got to, got to party up) (Party) Got to party down, baby Revolutionary rock and roll Goin' Uptown, baby, How you gonna make me kill somebody I don't even know? They got the draft, uh, uh I just laugh Party up (Party up, got to party up) Fightin' war is such a fuckin' bore Party up (Party up, got to, got to, got to party up) (Party) Uh, uh, got to party down, babe Ooh, it's all about what's in your mind Goin' Uptown, baby, I don't wanna die I just wanna have a bloody good time Party up Got to party up Party up Got to party up Because of their half-baked mistakes We get ice cream No cake All lies No truth Is it fair to kill the youth? Party up Party up Got to party up yeah Got to party up babe, ooh Got to party up yeah Got to party up babe, ooh Got to party up yeah Oooh ooh Got to party up babe, ooh Got to party up yeah Got to party up babe, whoo Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah (Party up - gotta party up) Party up - Got to party up baby {repeated} Revolutionary Rock and Roll Party up - gotta party up Party up - gotta party up Party up - gotta party up Party up - gotta party up Party up - gotta party up Party up - gotta party up, babe Party up - gotta party up {continues in background} you're gonna have to fight your own damn war Cuz we don't wanna fight no more you're gonna have to fight your own damn war Cuz we don't wanna fight no more you're gonna have to fight your own damn war Cuz we don't wanna fight no more you're gonna have to fight your own damn war Cuz we don't wanna fight no more I said we don't wanna fight no more (gonna have to fight your own damn war) Cuz we don't wanna FIGHT NO MORE! There is an edge to the music and the lyrics. For IT"S TIME it was revolutionary. Life O The Party is just lazy and stupid. | |
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pepper7 said: Okay I have another song to compare with "When Doves Cry".
Tender, sensitive, real lyrics? My Name Is Prince. (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (Prince) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (Prince) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only I did not come 2 funk around 'Tll I get your daughter I won't leave this town In the beginning God made the sea But on the 7th day he made me He was tryin' to rest y'all when He heard the sound Sound like a guitar cold gettin' down I tried to bust a high note, but I bust a string My God was worried 'til he heard me sing My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only - hurt me (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Hurt me (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) My name is Prince and I am funky When it come to funk I am a junky I know from righteous I know from sin I got 2 sides and they both friends Don't try 2 clock 'em, they're much too fast If u try to stop 'em they kick that ass Without a pistol, without a gun When u hear my music you'll be havin' fun That's when I gottcha that's when u mine To tell the truth, tell me what's my line? My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only - hurt me (You can't stop Prince) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Funky fresh 4 the 90's (Do that, do that, somebody) (Prince) My name is Prince, I don't wanna be king Cuz I've seen the top and it's just a dream Big cars and women and fancy clothes Will save your face but it won't save your soul I'm here to tell you that there's a better way Would our Lord be happy if He came 2 day? I ain't sayin' I'm better, no better than u But if u want 2 play with me, u better learn the rules My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only (You can't stop Prince) I did not come 2 funk around (You can't stop Prince) 'Till I get your daughter I won't leave this town I won't leave this town I won't leave this town I won't leave this - leave this - leave this My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only (You can't stop Prince) Funky fresh 4 the 90's (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Hurt me (Do that, do that, some....) The funkier I be The funkier I get, oh shit Lickety split on the lyric A new jack in the pulpit Watch it deacon, your track is leakin' What is this u're seekin'? The syncopated rhymes are at their peak When you jumped on my D.I.C.K. That's the one thing that I don't play The jock strap was 2 big 4 u anyway U're just a simpleton I'll bust u like a pimple, son My star is 2 bright Boy, I'll sink u like the ship Poseidon Adventure U're bumpin' dentures 2 be cocksure There must be more coming from your mouth than manure. So with a flow and a spray, I say hey U must become a prince before u're king anyway (Do that, do that somebody) (Do that, do that somebody) It's time I get ig-nig-nig-nig-nig-nig-n-ignorant Def be the beat that I'm rockin' Yo so, come get a hit And put your thinking cap on U've been forewarned I call upon the inner forces that I've got brewin' In my cauldron. That means my nugget... Sometimes I'm rugged The style I posses be havin' The other brothers buggin' and this is 4 those who oppose And propose 2 overexpose disclose Pose a threat 2 my brother Like any other man makin' a stand I'll be damned if I let u play this hand I'm the blackjack dealer and the cards are stacked What do u expect 2 win when u're used to playing craps? (Do that, do that somebody) Hell yeah, let's get this under the hmm... (Do that, do that somebody) "Damn." It's gettin' tricky I mean it's a sticky situation 2 resurrect a groove with feeling And give it this much affection Passion flows and who knows What lurks in the gallows of my mind I put my foot in the ass of Jim Crow 12 inches of non-stop sole I'm on a roll with P, and it's time for the show So do that, do that somebody Wave your hands in the air This is a motherfucking party While u're laying back I'm on the attack paddywhack Give yourself a bone This is my house and I'm prone 2 layin' some chrome upside some motherfuckers dome And I'm out... My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince When that song came out I cried it was so bad. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: pepper7 said: Just what is your opinion of his lyrics in terms of what they mean to you. Do you see lyrics as being important ? Are there particular lyrics that you like or don't like, think are funny, sad, rude, etc... i pay more attention to the music itself than the lyrical content, for the most part. the only time i care about lyrics is when i first hear a song, so i'll know how the song goes. I pay attention to both. The music on Musicology is dated. There's nothing special about it at all. Prince could get away with a song like Party Up in 81 because it was all new to the world. The sound, the look, hell everything about Prince back then was new and exiting. | |
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mschirmer said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i pay more attention to the music itself than the lyrical content, for the most part. the only time i care about lyrics is when i first hear a song, so i'll know how the song goes. I pay attention to both. The music on Musicology is dated. There's nothing special about it at all. Prince could get away with a song like Party Up in 81 because it was all new to the world. The sound, the look, hell everything about Prince back then was new and exiting. erm, not quite...the punkish-new wavey look/sound he had going back then had already been around for quite some time at that point and done by other acts & groups. it might've been a popular venture then, sure, but he wasn't the one who made it "new"--his own spin on it may have been, but as for the actuals? nope. | |
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mschirmer said: A performer/musician needs to stay up to par to keep my attention. Prince at one time was God to me. He has lost his magic in my OPINION.
Come to earth girl! That seems to be your problem right there. And you wonder why you feel let down? | |
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gargamelgibson said: mschirmer said: A performer/musician needs to stay up to par to keep my attention. Prince at one time was God to me. He has lost his magic in my OPINION.
Come to earth girl! That seems to be your problem right there. And you wonder why you feel let down? okay, that i didn't see...thinking of a famous person as a divine object is a bit much.  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: gargamelgibson said: That seems to be your problem right there. And you wonder why you feel let down? okay, that i didn't see...thinking of a famous person as a divine object is a bit much. I didn't even touch on that "a musician needs to stay up to par to keep my attention" bit... that's obviously a lie ... | |
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gargamelgibson said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: okay, that i didn't see...thinking of a famous person as a divine object is a bit much. I didn't even touch on that "a musician needs to stay up to par to keep my attention" bit... that's obviously a lie ... oh lawd...:headasplodes: | |
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For me comparing song lyrics isn't about feeling let down by Prince.
I suppose I believe that as the author of his own lyrics Prince is telling us something about himself. When I hear a lyric like "When you jumped on my D.I.C.K. That's the one thing that I don't play The jock strap was 2 big 4 u anyway U're just a simpleton I'll bust u like a pimple, son " I think they sound aggresive and harsh and I just wonder what's going through Prince's mind. Yes he has always wrote saucy provocative lyrics but they were more mischievious than offensive. It's like he turned himself into a parody of himself. It was like he could only write rude words and explicit lyrics. And he seemed to be only doing it for the sake of it. It sounds like someone who's living there life in some sort of movie. Who speaks like that in real life ?? Shut up already, damn. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Sorry, but I'd put the lyrics and the feeling in "Reflection" up against anything Prince has ever done. I enjoy it just as much.
For those who missed it the first time. Read this again. | |
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Universaluv said: OdysseyMiles said: Sorry, but I'd put the lyrics and the feeling in "Reflection" up against anything Prince has ever done. I enjoy it just as much.
For those who missed it the first time. Read this again.  | |
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ya cant really prove anything when your dealing with subjective opinions....
i would say that the average has swayed from quality lyrics overruling the fluff to the fluff overruling the quality.. but thats just my take. Space for sale... | |
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I didn't realise that having a discussion about something is trying to prove something ????? Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: I didn't realise that having a discussion about something is trying to prove something ?????
when the title of a thread indicates, "proof" it could be perceived as such.. its a nice topic to partake in...just saying.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: pepper7 said: I didn't realise that having a discussion about something is trying to prove something ?????
when the title of a thread indicates, "proof" it could be perceived as such.. its a nice topic to partake in...just saying.... Yes he's discussing the lyrics as in evidence that Prince has lost his "genious" (note spelling - could catch on) !! It's up to us (the orgers) to say if we agree and disagree and for why . For example I have talked about "My Name Is Prince". And for example someone else might agree or disagree or just have something else to add. For example the thread could be "Proof that he still is a genious !!" And then people may agree or disagree using various points and arguments. Regarding lyrics this is probably one of the closest insights we get into someones mind I think. [Edited 1/13/06 16:00pm] Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: Okay I have another song to compare with "When Doves Cry".
Tender, sensitive, real lyrics? My Name Is Prince. Actually, I rather like this track. I don't see it better or worse than WDC. | |
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jtfolden said: pepper7 said: Okay I have another song to compare with "When Doves Cry".
Tender, sensitive, real lyrics? My Name Is Prince. Actually, I rather like this track. I don't see it better or worse than WDC. To say that something is neither better or worse than the other is to really not say anything at all ! It's like an empty statement. Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: jtfolden said: Actually, I rather like this track. I don't see it better or worse than WDC. To say that something is neither better or worse than the other is to really not say anything at all ! It's like an empty statement. If you actually would stop for a second and READ/COMPREHEND everything I wrote you would not make the mistake of thinking it was an empty statement. However, for the intellectually impaired I can spell it out, if you need me to do so. | |
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Well we're talking about lyrics on this thread and you are saying "When Doves Cry" is neither better nor worse than "My Name Is Prince" yet you haven't explained why in your post. Shut up already, damn. | |
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mschirmer said: pepper7 said: Okay I have another song to compare with "When Doves Cry".
Tender, sensitive, real lyrics? My Name Is Prince. (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (Prince) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) (Prince) (I wanna be your lover) (Partyup) (Controversy) My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only I did not come 2 funk around 'Tll I get your daughter I won't leave this town In the beginning God made the sea But on the 7th day he made me He was tryin' to rest y'all when He heard the sound Sound like a guitar cold gettin' down I tried to bust a high note, but I bust a string My God was worried 'til he heard me sing My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only - hurt me (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Hurt me (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) My name is Prince and I am funky When it come to funk I am a junky I know from righteous I know from sin I got 2 sides and they both friends Don't try 2 clock 'em, they're much too fast If u try to stop 'em they kick that ass Without a pistol, without a gun When u hear my music you'll be havin' fun That's when I gottcha that's when u mine To tell the truth, tell me what's my line? My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only - hurt me (You can't stop Prince) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Funky fresh 4 the 90's (Do that, do that, somebody) (Prince) My name is Prince, I don't wanna be king Cuz I've seen the top and it's just a dream Big cars and women and fancy clothes Will save your face but it won't save your soul I'm here to tell you that there's a better way Would our Lord be happy if He came 2 day? I ain't sayin' I'm better, no better than u But if u want 2 play with me, u better learn the rules My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only (You can't stop Prince) I did not come 2 funk around (You can't stop Prince) 'Till I get your daughter I won't leave this town I won't leave this town I won't leave this town I won't leave this - leave this - leave this My name is Prince and I am funky (You can't stop Prince) My name is Prince the one and only (You can't stop Prince) Funky fresh 4 the 90's (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) (Do that, do that, somebody) Hurt me (Do that, do that, some....) The funkier I be The funkier I get, oh shit Lickety split on the lyric A new jack in the pulpit Watch it deacon, your track is leakin' What is this u're seekin'? The syncopated rhymes are at their peak When you jumped on my D.I.C.K. That's the one thing that I don't play The jock strap was 2 big 4 u anyway U're just a simpleton I'll bust u like a pimple, son My star is 2 bright Boy, I'll sink u like the ship Poseidon Adventure U're bumpin' dentures 2 be cocksure There must be more coming from your mouth than manure. So with a flow and a spray, I say hey U must become a prince before u're king anyway (Do that, do that somebody) (Do that, do that somebody) It's time I get ig-nig-nig-nig-nig-nig-n-ignorant Def be the beat that I'm rockin' Yo so, come get a hit And put your thinking cap on U've been forewarned I call upon the inner forces that I've got brewin' In my cauldron. That means my nugget... Sometimes I'm rugged The style I posses be havin' The other brothers buggin' and this is 4 those who oppose And propose 2 overexpose disclose Pose a threat 2 my brother Like any other man makin' a stand I'll be damned if I let u play this hand I'm the blackjack dealer and the cards are stacked What do u expect 2 win when u're used to playing craps? (Do that, do that somebody) Hell yeah, let's get this under the hmm... (Do that, do that somebody) "Damn." It's gettin' tricky I mean it's a sticky situation 2 resurrect a groove with feeling And give it this much affection Passion flows and who knows What lurks in the gallows of my mind I put my foot in the ass of Jim Crow 12 inches of non-stop sole I'm on a roll with P, and it's time for the show So do that, do that somebody Wave your hands in the air This is a motherfucking party While u're laying back I'm on the attack paddywhack Give yourself a bone This is my house and I'm prone 2 layin' some chrome upside some motherfuckers dome And I'm out... My name is Prince and I am funky My name is Prince the one and only My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince My name is Prince When that song came out I cried it was so bad. You obviosuly haven't heard of the Pussycat Dolls !! I love this song as it was quite an aggresive tune which slapped you in the face - also it was very self indulgent - Perhaps it was done as a statement on Prince's behalf aimed in some way at Warners ?? I was never a big fan of When Doves Cry !!!! SHOCK HORROR....BAN THE BLASPHEMOUR !!!! I loved the Guitar intro, but thought the song was a little lame, still do after like....20 years....always skip it....but then thats my personal taste  | |
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Just his STYLE has Changed to more SOPHISTICATED and MORE JAZZ. NOTHING ELSE has CHANGED. Maybe he has some Health Issues. I Have no IDEA bout his PERSONAL BEE'S WAX. Maybe Someday he'll tell me or Write a Book.. | |
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well heres my 35cents....
Prince has matured - surely!! as have WE (mostly) he's still a jerk - he still has issues (but hell so do I/we) he put that antagonistic statement that he was ova cussing and being funky..well that was a CLUE... then the celebrations = religious hoopla... another indication...that he was willing to sacrifice the radicals (fans, yeah thats us, u diehard) for the sake of SAVING FACE... he was giving us the heads up that his funk has been purged - he has no more... per se what we are USED too.. its just not there... he doesn't live that life - those emotions - etc and so on... he's a middleaged artist tryin to find peace/piece... and he's mellow and lost that edge that hunger.. its a sad sorry day in hell... but i'm over it... but still there are many of us that keep HOLDING ON... ~Live Free ... Be Wyld~AlwaysOnlyMakeBelieve - LiveUrLyfe... laissez le bon temps rouler...vivre sans être sauvage...हमेशा ही बना विश्वास ~Change and do so CONSTANTLY... | |
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In Don't Play Me he States these things.....I think there is some saying that goes about putting away Childish Things,however one can Still Love that stuff but play it Differently. Maybe just not Wild and Stuff and DOESN'T WANT ALL That LIFE as ALL THAT GLITTERS AIn'T GOLD. But, seeing him out and about in Hollywood and throwing parties he still is Fun and Cool. He is Not a DUD and Certainly NOT OVA or DEAD.... He just is Different and NOT INTO HIS LUSCHIVIOUS DIRTY MIND WAYS Especially since Mayte and The Baby Tragedy. That CHANGED HIM....UPSET HIM....DEVESTATEd The MAN.... He wasn't the Same ..... I wonder if the Boy lived and Mayte and him were together would he STILL have CONVERTED to JW? I Loved Mayte But in a way I wish he Never met her if she Devestated him Beyond Repair.....I am glad he is having fun and we should wish him Peace and Love. | |
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pepper7 said: Well we're talking about lyrics on this thread and you are saying "When Doves Cry" is neither better nor worse than "My Name Is Prince" yet you haven't explained why in your post.
What is the point? We are talking about OPINION here. Unlike the misleading thread title there is no, and never will be any, "proof" that Prince's genius has disappeared. So, I just stated my opinion as simply as possible. I like MNIP. I think the lyrics are at least as good as those of WDC. I really don't suppose that anyone here is going to change the opinion of anyone else. However... In fact, now that I've gone back and read both, I really don't see why anyone would choose WDC as evidence of any past greatness. The song itself might be a landmark because of the way it was performed/produced but the lyrics are pretty darn simplistic and not too darn far beyond "flowery poetry 102". There are far more interesting lyrics to look at in virtually any period of his output. [Edited 1/15/06 19:11pm] | |
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Camille Paglia says that genius only comes from the wounded psyche, and to an extent I must agree with that.
Prince's psyche was considerably more wounded in this era. It's obvious and apparent he is happier since that time, and his best work (like TRC, IMHO) revisits the old times. That said, I like his recent output. | |
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