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The Emancipation of Wally

In the Alex Hahn book he mentions a song named "Wally" that was said to be incredible. Prince destroyed it. Do you think he could record it again or is that memory lost forever, maybe buried in his subconscious. Can Prince remember or recreate a lost track if he wanted to?
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Reply #1 posted 01/05/06 6:25pm

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Lost forever.
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Reply #2 posted 01/05/06 6:26pm

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P.S. Your thread title almost got me excited. mad
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Reply #3 posted 01/05/06 6:44pm

alwayslate

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.
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Reply #4 posted 01/05/06 6:51pm

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alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.


why not.... it's his music and he has proven couple of times too take strange paths smile
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Reply #5 posted 01/05/06 6:54pm

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alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.


Prince never told this story, it was told by his longtime engineer. Why would she lie, you cute little bitter fan, you?
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Reply #6 posted 01/05/06 7:22pm

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Keep in mind Prince himself said he destroyed the Ill Do Anything tracks..
and not only did he release them ...but there's even more unreleased.
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Reply #7 posted 01/05/06 7:25pm

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FunkMistress said:

alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.


Prince never told this story, it was told by his longtime engineer. Why would she lie, you cute little bitter fan, you?

ok, ok... i am a bitter fan with serious love/hate thing going on for Prince (right now I am on 60% hate). i admit it. you are very perceptive.

but ..he could have made her agree to spin this ridiculous yarn about a grand life and career defining masterpiece lost to the ages because it's composer thought it revealed too much of his emotional inner being..... sounds like a one of Prince's many tall tales to me.
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Reply #8 posted 01/05/06 7:41pm

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origmnd said:

Keep in mind Prince himself said he destroyed the Ill Do Anything tracks..
and not only did he release them ...but there's even more unreleased.


well that's what I'm hoping for in the case of Wally. I wonder if Alan Leeds knew about it?
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Reply #9 posted 01/05/06 8:05pm

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Most importantly, what do you reckon the song was about hmmm
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Reply #10 posted 01/05/06 8:12pm

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Most importantly, what do you reckon the song was about hmmm

it was supposedly about susannah and his feeeeelings. whoa whoa whoa feeeeelings..
she said it started with him going "om ma la di dah" or something.Personally I think wally is just a prototype of forever in my life
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Reply #11 posted 01/05/06 8:36pm

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What Turn It Up 2.0 says about it:
"I thought it was the greatest thing he had done", is Susan Rogers' assessment of "Wally", a heartfelt song which ostensibly dealt with Prince's breakup with Susannah Melvoin. It was recorded in Prince's home studio on December 28th 1986, after he had returned from an almost three-month stay in LA. The song features a monologue by Prince, who is talking to Wally Safford. He asks to try on Wally's new glasses as he is planning to go out for the evening and he wants to look good for someone special. However, he changes his mind and decides to stay home instead. He returns the $50 Wally has leant him, saying that, sicne he is alone now, he no longer has anyone to spent it on. Sounding empty and lost, Prince speaks the words with a soft, vulnerable voice. He is accompanied only by a piano, but guitar, bass, and drums enter as the song explodes into the chorus. Prince sings a simple phrase of "o-mala-di-da" evoking a feeling of wistful resignation. The songs ends with him thanking Wally for being his friend.

Although the lyric of "Wally" do not refer directly to the breakup, the emotional statement of the music leaves no doubt as to the sincerity of Prince's pain. "There was so much pain that came out in that song", says Rogers woh is one of the few people who has heard the original recording. "It was heartrending. He was getting all this poison out of his system, all this pain. I has waited years to hear a Prince song like this. I ached to hear him be this honest. He said 'Do you know that maladi means sickness, illness in French? It's almost like the word melody, isn't it?' It was just the two of us and I felt so privileged. I just couldn't wait for people to hear this. The he began to change it! All of a sudden, he put on this weird percussion stuff and began to make it funky. I said 'Don't you think it was better before, Prince? Maybe we should stop?' I knew he was destroying it deliberately. It was just too honest. At some point, he said 'Now put all 24 channels on record and erase it.' I said 'No, you can't do this!' He said 'If you don't, I will.' And he did erase it. That recording will never get heard. He was feeling deep pain and allowed it to show, but he didn't want anybody to hear that."

Eric Leeds believes "Wally" was "the only time that he [Prince] completely erased a song that he had just done. The only time. That was a very, very personal song to Prince, and I don't think he had any intention in the world of ever releasing it." Prince did in fact re-record "Wally" from scratch the next day, making it a less personal song by changing some of the lyrics and recording a new vocal. Eric and Matt Blistan added horns to the altered version. "I was called back from my Christmas vacation a day early tom come in the studio to put horns on the second version of "Wally"," Eric recalls. "The first version was even to honest for him. He wiped it immediately, re-recorded it in a different form, and then had me and Blistan come in and do horns on it".


No, you don't have to thank me for typing all that out.
[Edited 1/5/06 12:36pm]
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Reply #12 posted 01/05/06 10:26pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

What Turn It Up 2.0 says about it:
"I thought it was the greatest thing he had done", is Susan Rogers' assessment of "Wally", a heartfelt song which ostensibly dealt with Prince's breakup with Susannah Melvoin. It was recorded in Prince's home studio on December 28th 1986, after he had returned from an almost three-month stay in LA. The song features a monologue by Prince, who is talking to Wally Safford. He asks to try on Wally's new glasses as he is planning to go out for the evening and he wants to look good for someone special. However, he changes his mind and decides to stay home instead. He returns the $50 Wally has leant him, saying that, sicne he is alone now, he no longer has anyone to spent it on. Sounding empty and lost, Prince speaks the words with a soft, vulnerable voice. He is accompanied only by a piano, but guitar, bass, and drums enter as the song explodes into the chorus. Prince sings a simple phrase of "o-mala-di-da" evoking a feeling of wistful resignation. The songs ends with him thanking Wally for being his friend.

Although the lyric of "Wally" do not refer directly to the breakup, the emotional statement of the music leaves no doubt as to the sincerity of Prince's pain. "There was so much pain that came out in that song", says Rogers woh is one of the few people who has heard the original recording. "It was heartrending. He was getting all this poison out of his system, all this pain. I has waited years to hear a Prince song like this. I ached to hear him be this honest. He said 'Do you know that maladi means sickness, illness in French? It's almost like the word melody, isn't it?' It was just the two of us and I felt so privileged. I just couldn't wait for people to hear this. The he began to change it! All of a sudden, he put on this weird percussion stuff and began to make it funky. I said 'Don't you think it was better before, Prince? Maybe we should stop?' I knew he was destroying it deliberately. It was just too honest. At some point, he said 'Now put all 24 channels on record and erase it.' I said 'No, you can't do this!' He said 'If you don't, I will.' And he did erase it. That recording will never get heard. He was feeling deep pain and allowed it to show, but he didn't want anybody to hear that."

Eric Leeds believes "Wally" was "the only time that he [Prince] completely erased a song that he had just done. The only time. That was a very, very personal song to Prince, and I don't think he had any intention in the world of ever releasing it." Prince did in fact re-record "Wally" from scratch the next day, making it a less personal song by changing some of the lyrics and recording a new vocal. Eric and Matt Blistan added horns to the altered version. "I was called back from my Christmas vacation a day early tom come in the studio to put horns on the second version of "Wally"," Eric recalls. "The first version was even to honest for him. He wiped it immediately, re-recorded it in a different form, and then had me and Blistan come in and do horns on it".


No, you don't have to thank me for typing all that out.



Thanks.
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Reply #13 posted 01/05/06 10:30pm

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alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.



biggrin biggrin biggrin lol lol lol So, true. I listened to Prince's version of "Never Be Another Fool" (the one he gave to Chaka). It is something else. Prince never throws any songs away, they are his kids!!! nod
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The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
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Reply #14 posted 01/05/06 10:33pm

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alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up.


Newbies..... What can ya do with 'em, huh?.....
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Reply #15 posted 01/05/06 11:16pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

What Turn It Up 2.0 says about it:
"I thought it was the greatest thing he had done", is Susan Rogers' assessment of "Wally", a heartfelt song which ostensibly dealt with Prince's breakup with Susannah Melvoin. It was recorded in Prince's home studio on December 28th 1986, after he had returned from an almost three-month stay in LA. The song features a monologue by Prince, who is talking to Wally Safford. He asks to try on Wally's new glasses as he is planning to go out for the evening and he wants to look good for someone special. However, he changes his mind and decides to stay home instead. He returns the $50 Wally has leant him, saying that, sicne he is alone now, he no longer has anyone to spent it on. Sounding empty and lost, Prince speaks the words with a soft, vulnerable voice. He is accompanied only by a piano, but guitar, bass, and drums enter as the song explodes into the chorus. Prince sings a simple phrase of "o-mala-di-da" evoking a feeling of wistful resignation. The songs ends with him thanking Wally for being his friend.

Although the lyric of "Wally" do not refer directly to the breakup, the emotional statement of the music leaves no doubt as to the sincerity of Prince's pain. "There was so much pain that came out in that song", says Rogers woh is one of the few people who has heard the original recording. "It was heartrending. He was getting all this poison out of his system, all this pain. I has waited years to hear a Prince song like this. I ached to hear him be this honest. He said 'Do you know that maladi means sickness, illness in French? It's almost like the word melody, isn't it?' It was just the two of us and I felt so privileged. I just couldn't wait for people to hear this. The he began to change it! All of a sudden, he put on this weird percussion stuff and began to make it funky. I said 'Don't you think it was better before, Prince? Maybe we should stop?' I knew he was destroying it deliberately. It was just too honest. At some point, he said 'Now put all 24 channels on record and erase it.' I said 'No, you can't do this!' He said 'If you don't, I will.' And he did erase it. That recording will never get heard. He was feeling deep pain and allowed it to show, but he didn't want anybody to hear that."

Eric Leeds believes "Wally" was "the only time that he [Prince] completely erased a song that he had just done. The only time. That was a very, very personal song to Prince, and I don't think he had any intention in the world of ever releasing it." Prince did in fact re-record "Wally" from scratch the next day, making it a less personal song by changing some of the lyrics and recording a new vocal. Eric and Matt Blistan added horns to the altered version. "I was called back from my Christmas vacation a day early tom come in the studio to put horns on the second version of "Wally"," Eric recalls. "The first version was even to honest for him. He wiped it immediately, re-recorded it in a different form, and then had me and Blistan come in and do horns on it".


No, you don't have to thank me for typing all that out.
[Edited 1/5/06 12:36pm]


thank u. sooooo where is wally number 2! ?
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Reply #16 posted 01/05/06 11:47pm

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lilgish said:

In the Alex Hahn book he mentions a song named "Wally" that was said to be incredible. Prince destroyed it. Do you think he could record it again or is that memory lost forever, maybe buried in his subconscious. Can Prince remember or recreate a lost track if he wanted to?
I really think that before Prince eraced the original version, he dubbed it on a cassette tape that might be laying in the vault somewhere. biggrin
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Reply #17 posted 01/06/06 12:30am

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FunkMistress said:

alwayslate said:

that story is probably made up. there is no way Prince would erase anything he had already recorded. You mean he's gonna erase Wally and then keep stuff like Tricky laying around?

This man thinks if he farts on wax it's a masterpiece.


Prince never told this story, it was told by his longtime engineer. Why would she lie, you cute little bitter fan, you?


why wouldn't she? too appear to have been the one single person in the universe ever to hear the said masterpiece from one of the greatest musicians of the last 100 years? perhaps? who knows but we cannot discount the idea that she could be full of shit or that she is mistaken/inaccurate.

to question a source is perfectly rationable. its people who accept this story as absolute truth that are romanticising the idea/existence of the song
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Reply #18 posted 01/06/06 8:22am

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However, he changes his mind and decides to stay home instead. He returns the $50 Wally has leant him, saying that, sicne he is alone now, he no longer has anyone to spent it on.


This was 1986? Wasn't he pretty flush right about then? And he's borrowing money? ... Tight bastard.lol

But still, to hear it would be like reading someone's diary. And after all the hype and speculation it's recieved, i'd bet money that it'd be a letdown to actually hear it.

But that's just me.
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Reply #19 posted 01/06/06 8:24am

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Personally, I kind of like the idea of such a song that Prince had to get out of his system and when it was out, he no longer felt the need for it to be. Like it really only was for the "healing process". Shame of course that we'll never get to hear it. Intriguing little story though.
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Reply #20 posted 01/06/06 4:22pm

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Space for sale...
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Reply #21 posted 01/06/06 6:02pm

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Was that neccessary? mad
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Reply #22 posted 01/07/06 2:22am

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She was frightening on dick clarks new years eve show
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