Prince has been a pioneer of many things including the use of technology. I’ve been surprised recently of how other bands have used technology in ingenious ways. (not necessarily new technology, but the use of what’s presently available)

Another band I love is Pearl Jam who bootleg every gig and it’s usually available online four to five hours after the gig. I recently downloaded one of their shows from their South American tour with very pleasing results.

The download itself was simple and easy and great value for money. At nine dollars and ninety-nine cents I got the show in full along with album covers and fifteen pictures from the actual gig. Wouldn’t it be great if Prince did the same thing?

A friend of mine was at a Pixies gig recently and you could pay up front for a copy of the show and it would be sent to your door a week or so after the gig. I personally prefer how Pearl Jam do it. I know The Who did something similar.

Come on Prince I know we are spoiled as it is but this would wonderful!

He's lost his edge. Well, not lost it, but placed it in that box where he stuck all the other stuff we miss so much like his ability to project soulful meaning into his voiced lyrics to songs, and his ability to...

well anyway, I heard his religious "head" figure has the box and won't give it back.

I think it's harsh or unreasonable to claim that Prince has lost his edge or put it in a box because he doesn't use technology in this a particular way. I can except you don’t appreciate his newer material but I’d put that down to a matter of taste. Why you single out religion as an issue seems a bit strange because it’s nothing new. Faith has always been part of Prince’s music throughout his entire career.
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NewSystem said:

faith in the sense of spirituality Was part of his music career. Now prince has traded his spirituality in for religion and he has traded his Faith in for religious dogma.

I like the man's journy.

I still like his music that I hear.

I am hoping to hear something great in the new albume, but I am not having faith that I will.

Moreover: your statement saying it is "harsh or unreasonable" as to my saying prince is lost his edge is really just an argumentitive nature comment. You yourself said "Prince has been a pioneer" in a past tense and then pointed out how other bands have surpassed his useage.

Being on the LEADING EDGE is also know as being a PIONEER. Thus: you are really just using me to argue with yourself.

Mmmm...kay, good luck with all that.

Prince finding religion has gotton Mick's undies in a bunch.

Shorty said:

Religion is a joke. Prince didn't "find" religion, because he never lost it. Religion isn't a presous stone or something dropped and recovered. Religion is for those too simple to know better. I just expected more from Prince is all.

MickG said:

apparently..Prince didn't follow the path you felt he should have...so your all bent outta shape over it.
face it mick, your path isn't for everyone...and that's ok....cause dog gonnit! some people like you!

Shorty said:

do you like me?

my path is for everyone who wishes to live.

I don't sudgest prince strayed from any path. Prince's path isn't my own as none are. Religion is simply a sickening way of bloating your souls ego to think your job is done.

MickG said:

no, so far, not really.

Shorty said:

That's alright. There is still time, not much, but time. Honestity is so refreshing. Good for you. I like you more now. However, we have crapped over this board enough so why not let it get back to the topic matter?

Org gods, please don't let this thread get baited into another "Religion is stupid..." thread.

amen



Anyway, it would be nice to see Prince take advantage of this capability. I think Prince is a bit too much of a perfectionist when it comes to his live performances to wholeheartedly adopt it though.

He seems to prefer to highlight only stellar performances of certain songs rather than sell entire concerts unedited. Shame really, but c'est la vie.

Universaluv said:

Amen

What use of the technology would you like to see from Prince?

I like pizza too.

Universaluv said:

I think that's the reason right there.
it's a cryin' shame really!

MickG said:

For the love of pizza! It's just a tribute to an old-school org-ism really. pepperoni days...


Anyway, on the tech side. I'd be cool with with the Newsystem's suggestion. Don't know how many non-prince concerts I've been to that offer to burn you a copy of the show right after it's over. Just don't think it's in Prince's nature to officially release entire unedited concerts on cd.

Less to do with lack of edge, and more to do with a perfectionist approach to the music, imho. Kinda sucks, of course it's that same perfectionist attitude that results in such amazing concerts to begin with. Just different sides of the same coin (or pizza).

this convo is going well ova at the club...PP input even

I once heard Prince say that he wasn't into too much of this Techy stuff....He preferred the Old Style of Playing.....He did dabble with Techy gismos but then went back to the original style.

MickG said:

It says all that? OK.
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u'd think Prince would be into anything for the sake of making great music
if you have a big bookstore in town -- check out the music magazines
a ton of musicians are getting off and doing great things with the technology of today
there is so much available -- so many studio tricks one could experiment with
Prince owns the ability to do all this at the Park
he should have fun playing with all that stuff -- i sure would

Someone likes South Park.....Mmm kay.... ??



LOL.....

I could be wrong, but i have a feeling he doesn't fiddle as much with the technology as much because he doesn't consider it true musicianship, and it winds up becoming hard to reproduce live without having to resort to a pre-recorded track. I think the singer/songwriter/musician in him probably looks at it like a crutch. Besides, it winds up sounding dated later anyway, when new technology develops. Look at the difference between something like Kiss vs. something like a Graffiti Bridge track (obviously not 'Still Would Stand All Time'... lol).

icbw

From Prince...

YIL: What is the place of computer technology in composing new music?

TA: I try 2 let the song dictate its own direction. If one makes music with a computer, one has 2 be satisfied with the computer's limitations (and there are many, especially when it comes 2 music), though some songs only "sing" when programmed on a computer.


http://princetext.tripod....ion97.html

I wasn't thinking this discussion of technology was about the use of it IN his music rather what and how he uses technology to deliver or distribute his music.

I think he's always used a lot of technology in his music.

And here are the mods PPs response to this matter:

PaisleyPark5 said:

Ur comment isn't really a statement about use of technology so much as it is a ? of what an artist is willing 2 do 2 make as much cash as possible. Bootlegging oneself isn't "cutting edge technology." We r well aware that some folx injoy listening 2 recordings of concerts. Ultimately, it's up 2 an artist 2 decide whether they want 2 xploit their music in that way.


And another comment:


PaisleyPark6 said:


Some artists do not want all their concerts available. Sometimes a live experience is meant 2 stay that way, live and one-time only.


And another

PaisleyPark6 said:


This might sound crazy 2 u, but some people would rather pay $9.99 4 a concert download than pay $75 and actually go 2 the show. And when u're trying 2 fill a 10,000 seat arena 3 nights in a row, that is something 2 consider.


And another



Berry wrote:
So how about only making them available to ticket purchasers?


PaisleyPark6 said: Because it will not stay there. And again, it goes back 2 what the artist wants out there. Do they want the best show from the tour made available? Or just any random show, regardless of the per4mance quality (yes, there is a difference)? Different artists have different ideas about that.

Finally, one more point 2 consider. Jimi Hendrix passed away much 2 young. However, his family releases concerts from his archive periodically and is able 2 sustain a decent living from his music that way. It is possible that "shows from the archive" could make their way 2 release in a time when touring is a thing of the past 4 Prince. It's possible that releasing vintage concerts could be a very valuable business 4 a future generation or even a retired artist. We're not saying that will be the case, but it is something 2 think about.



And another



CandaceS wrote:

So you're saying Prince doesn't release more live shows because he's concerned it would impact ticket sales?


PaisleyPark6 said: No, eye'm not saying anything at all regarding Prince's decisions. Only he knows y he makes the choices he makes. But what eye am saying is that there are some possibilities we should consider. We get the fan perspective, that's very clear. But what are the considerations from the artist perspective? It's something 2 think about.




Getting interesting over there on this topic

http://www.npgmusicclub.c...c&start=40



Check it out ..



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artificial hip, and some nice orthopedic high heels

those PP statements...
that's some of the stupidest stuff i've ever heard!!
maybe they'll get a crumb from their master's table today as a reward
but do people actually buy into that crap?
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Snap said:

no, not many anyway. someone even said one of the pp comments was the stupidest thing they ever read.

TheCatWoman said:

I thought you didn't go there?

Shorty said:

Hey I don't go there, well, compared to you guys. I happened to go look at this thread because somebody pointed it out. But it's not like I hang there all day, in between here

Sure, I stop in once in a while. But I don't post. Well at least not yet.