KingSausage said:

Making assumptions that anyone who rates Prince as one of the greatest musicians doesn't mean they worship the ground he walks on or is the center of their universe (in reference: much like a certain organ a juvenile discovers and salivates too). Of course there are many other musicians (Steve Vai is at his peak at the moment) that are so influential.

Straight jazz sucks in my opinion; it's unenergetic, flat and I think it's appropriate only in funeral homes.

Nuff said.

You're listening to the wrong jazz...go pick up Coltrane's "Complete Village Vanguard," Keith Jarrett's "Vienna Concert," or Miles's "On the Corner" and step out of that funeral home!

Prince is ONE of the greatest, but Numero Uno he (nor anyone else) is not...

I think some of you are missing the fact that we are discussing the "ALL ROUNDNESS" of musicians in general. Having said that, it's not big deal that Zappa is more complex than Prince when it comes to compose music, nor that Hancock is a better pianist. That is all perfectly clear to everyone. What really matters, I think, is that if we were to compare each and every aspect that is supposed to be part of an all round musician, those musicians wouldn't be able to do all the things that Prince does at the same great level. That's why I think he's the greatest.

By the way, Miles Davis once said that he could replace any musician from any of his bands with Prince, and that no difference would still be noticeable. So if Mr.Davis said that...

zxcvbnmmnbvcxz said:

Of course, Miles was out of his fuckin' mind most of that time too

PFunkjazz said:

I wouldn't say he was out of his fucking mind a year prior to his death when he performed at the Montreux Jazz Festival. He was just as tight as a pair of jeans on J LO.
I think Mr.Davis always knew what he was doing.

yup

...

hehe. This thread is funny.

The org as it should be!

fuck. John Entwistle was found dead in Vegas.





I'm just waiting for somebody to ask "WHO?"
[This message was edited Thu Jun 27 16:17:43 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

PFunkjazz said:

Dammit! x1,000

jtgillia said:

- Well, let me comment the topics...
1) Prolificness: As P Funk said, quantity is not the same thing as quality. Tom Jobim didn´t write as many songs as Prince, but he surely left less ´throwaway´stuff.
2) Is Frank Zappa as good as Prince? Some people would say he is even better (although music is not sports, competition). Because he was a terrific guitar player, a great arranger, a versatile musician and songwriter and he wrote stuff for ORCHESTRA that is respected even among some classical authorities, thing that Prince never got with ´Kamasutra´. I personally think both are geniuses.
3) Performance - dancing has nothing to do with music. I admire Prince for being able to do so many things, like playing several instruments AND dancing. But dancing skills doesn´t mean nothing when it comes to knowing if a guy is a good musician or not.
About the Miles Davis quote that he would put P in his band in any instrument - please tell me the source. I read his autobiography and it´s not there. Did he say it on a TV documentary?

let me put it this way give me a H-E-L-L-Y-E-S EVERYBODY YELL HELL YES THERE DOES THAT MAKE SINCE

Gustavo,

You made some good points. Two things I would dispute though-

1. Dancing is an extention of one's musicality. It displays a natural rhythm. I admit I'm stretching here, I mean, what of those musicians who aren't in the physical shape...

2. Though some would say Zappa is even more eclectic (and that's probably true) I still would say (IMO) that Prince is a much more sound songwriter. Besides, how many "serious" Zappa songs are there? The guy was a nutcase, lol! Could he write a love song quite like Prince?

he is SUPABAAAD !!!
the man ! a legend !
the BEST ??? hmmm??? dont be ignorant people. he himself will tell u he learned ZILLIONS of things from
sly stone
jimi hendrix
james brown
larry graham
joni mitchell
the stylistics
al green
carlos santana
it goes on and on...BUT HELL YEAH HE'S "DA GHAT-DAYM-MAN"!!! not too many people can take P out.

There is no need to ask that question. Damn rights Prince is the greatest.

[pre:1:83cdea4a89]I am in the purple rain[/pre:1:83cdea4a89]

Musically Prince is awesome a complete jem, but when it comes down to the buisness side of the equation he isn't that great. But when you think about it he wasn't put on this earth to be a the greatest buisnessman ever. He's here to play and that he does well. But for some reason alot of people have forgotton this, Prince included. Sometimes you need other people to compensate for your weaknesses. But as far as the question being asked IMHO I think he's great!!

jtgillia said:

Thanks for your reply I like when a person replies in a good, civilized way. This thread is very nice


- Yeah...it shows the person´s rythm. But there are lots of musicians that are great and dont dance. Miles Davis didnt dance, and he was always impressed on how Prince and Michael Jackson could dance. On the other hand, Paula Abdul was a professional dancer, and it didn´t make her a good artist/singer


- I agree. I am discovering Zappa´s music now. As far as I heard, there are more ´funny´ songs than serious ones. But when he wants to write deep and serious music, he succeeds. Listen to ´I promise not to come in your mouth´...it´s amazingly deep, very serious arrangements. I listened to one of his orchestra albums (´Yellow shark´) and I couldn´t listen to the whole album because it´s so complex that I found it weird. The song ´Night school´ (from the album ´Jazz from hell´) has some great melodies and chord progressions. And sometimes even the funny songs had good musicianship (I love ´I am a beautiful guy´ - funny lyrics but some tight arrangements). The guy was a nutcase...hehehehe...but a good nutcase...
Let me just say that I enjoy both, and I think both are geniuses and creative forces. It´s not a competition.

jtgillia said:

Meanwhile Prince is "perfectly sane"? Nice bit of ANALysis.
Nothing of value to say about Zappa's music, so you derogate the man
and his music. Don't you just love the objectivity of fams.

I ain't mad @cha, but I am laffin@cha


[This message was edited Fri Jun 28 8:43:24 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

Pfunk,

I'll say this only once- I am not a "fam". There is no such thing as a "fam." It's a really stupid made up term. But you Prince haters like to roll with it, so whatever...
The only thing I do is express my opinion on things, and when it just happens to be a positive opinion in the favor of Prince, I can always count on you to say something stupid because I've noticed that everything you stand for seems to be putting him down. I tell it like it is, when I don't like something about Prince or an artist, I'll freely express it. There are two sides to my personality, unlike yours...

Meanwhile, you couldn't dispute my opinion at all about Zappa. I mean you could say that I'm anal and imply that I'm unobjective despite the fact that I have almost as many Zappa albums as I do Prince. But you never come up with a valid point, unlike Gustavo. Shame, shame...

Reply back when you have something intelligent to share.

jtgillia said:

You really need to read my posts and get an better understanding. I do not put Prince down all the time and I am hardly a hater. I am very critical of his current phase. It's called an opinion. I express mine too.

I find it hilarious that you are very quick to insult and name-call me whenever I respond to your posts. Even if you won't read my posts, anybody around here (except jaikman, Neps,and probably 2the9s) will attest to the schtick and the insight I provide, but you keep whining like a little baby that somebody's picking on you. If you put up an opinion be ready to have someone respond to it. Quit being such a little punk-ass!

As for me disputing your opinion on Zappa. That's neither here nor there. The point is one arrives at a point of "He's the best of all time" by putting on the type of blinders that you demonstrate: "Oh Zappa's too weird for me to consider seriously". That's cool and if that's your opinion, but everytime you put an analysis I guffaw that you're a dipshit who doesn't know squat. Yeah, yeah. I know "It's an opinion".

That's why I ain't mad @cha, but I am laffin @cha.


edit: forgot the closing : on the FRO thingie
[This message was edited Fri Jun 28 11:20:21 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

randomduck said:

quincy jones can suck a dick!! PRINCE!!!
IS THE SHIT AND DON'T YOU FOR GET IT >( AND THILLER SUCKS

thechronic said:

quincy jones can suck a dick!! PRINCE!!!
IS THE SHIT AND DON'T YOU FOR GET IT >( AND THILLER SUCKS

In my opinion I'll say this. As for our generation...the new power that is,I believe that there is nobody on this earth in this present day that can touch him musically. Not Quincy Jones not Michael Jackson not R. Kelly...nobody! I've seen Prince perform live 7 times including One Nite Alone at the Kodak Theatre. As an all around musician he is untouchable in this era. I also have a vast collection of unreleased material and I have to say that he is holding back some of his best material that would blow alot of people away. I'm talking bout songs like Electric Intercourse,Good Man,All My Dreams,Moonbeam Levels,Soul Psychadelicide,In A Large Room With No Light and Rebirth Of The Flesh. Not to mention the stuff he did with Miles Davis(I only hope that material sees the light of day) Anyways point is boy is BAD! The one and only DADDY POP!

Steve Harris is the est all 'round musician. Quite frankly, it doesn't get any better than Iron Maiden.

I don't know 'bout all of that...but he should definitely be recognized, for the great all round musician,that he is!

IMO, no, except maybe ONE other group...

Pfunk,

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

Kids, just because mommy and daddy fight, doesn't mean we don't love each other very much.

Hey, I'm all up for discussion. It's just that there are too many people on the internet who try to make a point but just say all the wrong things. You have to learn how to dispute without coming off like a jerk. And if you come off like one, be prepared for people to react.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I enjoy laughing at you as well for being such a great pretender of being so knowledgeable. A "dipshit" as well, in your terms.

of course he is not the greatest but he is still my favourite, you know?

Q: IS PRINCE THE GREATEST ALL ROUND MUSICIAN IN THE WORLD?

A: No... not even close.