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Reply #30 posted 12/27/05 9:55am

prettymansson

purplecam said:

I've been EXTREMELY hesitant to get this book because of all of the things I've heard about it and that it seems to be quite bias towards Prince but after reading the Alan Leeds thread, I've finally decided to swallow my pride and if I'm feeling up to it (i'm sick right now), I'll make a trip to Barnes & Noble and see if they have the book. I think I'm ready to read it.
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oh come the fuck on..if you know prince at all u lnow he is a womanizing,control freak,narcissistic,genius ,dwarf,asshole,...desperately trying to repent and save his soul before its too late...thats all u are gonna find in the book...confirmation of what u should already know as a prince fan.
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Reply #31 posted 12/27/05 9:55am

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We had this discussion a few months back on the Org when this book came out. A friend of TheDetroitCrawl.Org sent us his review he had published in a few of Motown's entertainment weeklies.

You can access the Possessed review via the link. Mr. Webber thinks not highly of Mr. Hahn - "Yet, even though the book is filled with juicer-than-a-ripe-mango gossip, Possessed is quite dispossessing."

On a side note this book was published before the 2004 Musicology / Rock n Roll Hall of Fame buzz.
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Reply #32 posted 12/27/05 9:58am

BananaCologne

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So you're saying she didn't actually interview him in fall 1996 (just after his son died)?


hell fucking no !! that was her reworking of the oprah interview...


She actually did intertview him. At Paisley, I know - she helped me out with a wealth of information for my college thesis back in 1998. Yes a lot of material was collated too - but what's seemingly being overlooked here is that there had been nothing like that book for many years - she brought it all to one place and presented it in a factual, readable manner all in one place. In my eyes, she certainly doesn't deserve the pasting she's getting here for doing so, I enjoyed it.

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Reply #33 posted 12/27/05 1:56pm

Ifsixwuz9

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BananaCologne said:

prettymansson said:



hell fucking no !! that was her reworking of the oprah interview...


She actually did intertview him. At Paisley, I know - she helped me out with a wealth of information for my college thesis back in 1998. Yes a lot of material was collated too - but what's seemingly being overlooked here is that there had been nothing like that book for many years - she brought it all to one place and presented it in a factual, readable manner all in one place. In my eyes, she certainly doesn't deserve the pasting she's getting here for doing so, I enjoyed it.

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I'm not going to speak for the person who didn't like Liz Jones' "Purple Reign", but just from the stand point that 80% of the book was articles written by other people the she pulled together ...I think it sucked. If you were an avid fan you had already read all that stuff. And moreover, some of the quotes were all twisted so you couldn't tell who said what and when.
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Reply #34 posted 12/27/05 2:02pm

BSK3478

Ifsixwuz9 said:

BananaCologne said:



She actually did intertview him. At Paisley, I know - she helped me out with a wealth of information for my college thesis back in 1998. Yes a lot of material was collated too - but what's seemingly being overlooked here is that there had been nothing like that book for many years - she brought it all to one place and presented it in a factual, readable manner all in one place. In my eyes, she certainly doesn't deserve the pasting she's getting here for doing so, I enjoyed it.

shrug



I'm not going to speak for the person who didn't like Liz Jones' "Purple Reign", but just from the stand point that 80% of the book was articles written by other people the she pulled together ...I think it sucked. If you were an avid fan you had already read all that stuff. And moreover, some of the quotes were all twisted so you couldn't tell who said what and when.

exactly--her book was nothing more than a patchwork quilt of other people's stuff.
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Reply #35 posted 12/27/05 2:13pm

BananaCologne

Ifsixwuz9 said:

BananaCologne said:



She actually did intertview him. At Paisley, I know - she helped me out with a wealth of information for my college thesis back in 1998. Yes a lot of material was collated too - but what's seemingly being overlooked here is that there had been nothing like that book for many years - she brought it all to one place and presented it in a factual, readable manner all in one place. In my eyes, she certainly doesn't deserve the pasting she's getting here for doing so, I enjoyed it.

shrug



I'm not going to speak for the person who didn't like Liz Jones' "Purple Reign", but just from the stand point that 80% of the book was articles written by other people the she pulled together ...I think it sucked. If you were an avid fan you had already read all that stuff. And moreover, some of the quotes were all twisted so you couldn't tell who said what and when.


Well, I'm not gonna speak for anyone else either, but personally, I'd much rather have all that information to hand in one book than spend my time having to hunt it down. At the time, it was helpful to have to hand. Times change, wotchu gonna do y'know? shrug
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Reply #36 posted 12/27/05 2:25pm

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Well the thing is.. had any part of the book been anything but unsupported fact about Prince's legendary shady business practices... his lawyers would have nailed Hahn. . . but of course they couldn't find one thing. I'm sure alot of shocking but less than airtight events were taken out of the final version and when reading it a few times, it looked like alot was edited out.
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Reply #37 posted 12/27/05 3:41pm

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BananaCologne said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:




I'm not going to speak for the person who didn't like Liz Jones' "Purple Reign", but just from the stand point that 80% of the book was articles written by other people the she pulled together ...I think it sucked. If you were an avid fan you had already read all that stuff. And moreover, some of the quotes were all twisted so you couldn't tell who said what and when.


Well, I'm not gonna speak for anyone else either, but personally, I'd much rather have all that information to hand in one book than spend my time having to hunt it down. At the time, it was helpful to have to hand. Times change, wotchu gonna do y'know? shrug


I agree the info was worth having, however, I think it would have been appreciated more if she had been up front and presented the book as a collection of insightful articles. And, then she could have added whatever came out of the interview she got with P.
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Reply #38 posted 12/27/05 3:54pm

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Savannah said:

Well the thing is.. had any part of the book been anything but unsupported fact about Prince's legendary shady business practices... his lawyers would have nailed Hahn. . . but of course they couldn't find one thing. I'm sure alot of shocking but less than airtight events were taken out of the final version and when reading it a few times, it looked like alot was edited out.



Why would Prince respond to any of these charges ???
It would serve no purpose other than give these people more recognition.
Like I said before "we" have only one side to the story and it is one that anyone with an ax to grind against Prince is the only ones we are hearing from.
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Reply #39 posted 12/27/05 4:02pm

BananaCologne

Ifsixwuz9 said:

BananaCologne said:



Well, I'm not gonna speak for anyone else either, but personally, I'd much rather have all that information to hand in one book than spend my time having to hunt it down. At the time, it was helpful to have to hand. Times change, wotchu gonna do y'know? shrug


I agree the info was worth having, however, I think it would have been appreciated more if she had been up front and presented the book as a collection of insightful articles. And, then she could have added whatever came out of the interview she got with P.


Agreed. nod
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Reply #40 posted 12/28/05 2:42pm

alexnvrmnd

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Ifsixwuz9 said:




I'm not going to speak for the person who didn't like Liz Jones' "Purple Reign", but just from the stand point that 80% of the book was articles written by other people the she pulled together ...I think it sucked. If you were an avid fan you had already read all that stuff. And moreover, some of the quotes were all twisted so you couldn't tell who said what and when.

exactly--her book was nothing more than a patchwork quilt of other people's stuff.

That's exactly my whole point as well. Plus, it came across as if SHE did all or most of the interviewing and whatnot when all she was doing was pulling from other sources. For instance, she was using quotes from the Oprah interview as if she herself did the interview OR (and I say "or" because I haven't picked up this book in years and I don't remember exactly) didn't even acknowledge that the quotes came from a TV interview with Oprah. If somebody chooses to like this book, fine. But all it is is uncredited rehash that's trying to be passed off as ground-breaking or new, exclusive info.
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Reply #41 posted 12/28/05 7:05pm

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I think that Possessed was a good read, a little negative for my taste, but a good read. Was it me or did it seem that Wendy and Lisa was the focus of the book? I mean, Alex brought their name up alot during the read. But I will give it a "Yay" vote.
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Reply #42 posted 12/28/05 8:24pm

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NouveauDance said:
The rabid bile spouted at this book by fams is enough reason to get it. Hahn had access to Uptown and Per Nilsen's research - so I wouldn't cut too much into the book because it's based on solid foundations, I'd wager pretty much everything was true, leaving just Hahn's personal opinion that the reader has to decide whether they agree with or not.


Exactly! Possessed is my favourite Prince book and I love Prince but he is not the perfect angel that some fans would like 2 think.
Goodnight, sweet Prince.
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Reply #43 posted 12/28/05 9:16pm

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Prince A Pop Life - Dave Hill
DANCEMUSICSEXROMANCE - Per Nilsen


All we need is J. Randy Taraborrelli to write the definitive Prince bio.
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Reply #44 posted 12/29/05 4:40am

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One last thought...

I have been on the Org for about six years now or 3 years before the new Org. Back in those days the attitude here focused on the music and it was a home for the sophisticated Prince fan.Outside of a few members. the discussions here were primarily focused of the music and there was a realistic view toward the "private" Prince. I am a 20+ year fan of the music . I don't care why he joined the Jehovah's Witnesses or who he is screwing because that is not my business. I do care about the quality of the music and the situation at the NPGMC and if another fan did not get his Crystal Ball set because that affects me and my $$$. Books like Per Nilsen's should stay at the top of the Prince literature collections.

People who idolize Prince need to wake up.He is a man and all men have shortcomings. If you could talk to Prince he would probably tell you this. He has sung about his shortcomings for years now. I saw Prince about 15 years ago when I was still a teenager . What did I do ??? I said "What's up ?"

He responded... "What's up?"

The man's human .
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Reply #45 posted 12/29/05 8:07am

dewalliz

muleFunk said:

One last thought...

I have been on the Org for about six years now or 3 years before the new Org. Back in those days the attitude here focused on the music and it was a home for the sophisticated Prince fan.Outside of a few members. the discussions here were primarily focused of the music and there was a realistic view toward the "private" Prince. I am a 20+ year fan of the music . I don't care why he joined the Jehovah's Witnesses or who he is screwing because that is not my business. I do care about the quality of the music and the situation at the NPGMC and if another fan did not get his Crystal Ball set because that affects me and my $$$. Books like Per Nilsen's should stay at the top of the Prince literature collections.

People who idolize Prince need to wake up.He is a man and all men have shortcomings. If you could talk to Prince he would probably tell you this. He has sung about his shortcomings for years now. I saw Prince about 15 years ago when I was still a teenager . What did I do ??? I said "What's up ?"

He responded... "What's up?"

The man's human .


I think housequake would be more suitable for you. lol
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Reply #46 posted 12/29/05 8:25am

TheCatWoman

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alot of negativity. No Sheer joy in Prince.

The guy portrayed in that book is not a good person, hopefully much of it is false. Really no good stories about how Prince treated people well, if there is, theres about 5 other stories inwhich he treats the people like shit.





Exactly! I have never known anybody to treat people the way the person the book portrayed had.
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Reply #47 posted 12/29/05 8:27am

TheCatWoman

prettymansson said:

purplecam said:

I've been EXTREMELY hesitant to get this book because of all of the things I've heard about it and that it seems to be quite bias towards Prince but after reading the Alan Leeds thread, I've finally decided to swallow my pride and if I'm feeling up to it (i'm sick right now), I'll make a trip to Barnes & Noble and see if they have the book. I think I'm ready to read it.
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oh come the fuck on..if you know prince at all u lnow he is a womanizing,control freak,narcissistic,genius ,dwarf,asshole,...desperately trying to repent and save his soul before its too late...thats all u are gonna find in the book...confirmation of what u should already know as a prince fan.




lol lol lol


down boy down falloff
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Reply #48 posted 12/29/05 8:35am

TheCatWoman

dewalliz said:

muleFunk said:

One last thought...

I have been on the Org for about six years now or 3 years before the new Org. Back in those days the attitude here focused on the music and it was a home for the sophisticated Prince fan.Outside of a few members. the discussions here were primarily focused of the music and there was a realistic view toward the "private" Prince. I am a 20+ year fan of the music . I don't care why he joined the Jehovah's Witnesses or who he is screwing because that is not my business. I do care about the quality of the music and the situation at the NPGMC and if another fan did not get his Crystal Ball set because that affects me and my $$$. Books like Per Nilsen's should stay at the top of the Prince literature collections.

People who idolize Prince need to wake up.He is a man and all men have shortcomings. If you could talk to Prince he would probably tell you this. He has sung about his shortcomings for years now. I saw Prince about 15 years ago when I was still a teenager . What did I do ??? I said "What's up ?"

He responded... "What's up?"

The man's human .


I think housequake would be more suitable for you. lol





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Reply #49 posted 12/29/05 8:38am

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I enjoyed the book because it talked about some stuff I wanted to hear....some dirt.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #50 posted 12/29/05 8:39am

TheCatWoman

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Well the thing is.. had any part of the book been anything but unsupported fact about Prince's legendary shady business practices... his lawyers would have nailed Hahn.




Very true! I am sure when Prince found out the book was being written, kept his eye out. And I am sure he was the first to read it lol

And WE KNOW if there was any UN truth to the accusations or stories Prince would have been filed a lawsuit before the book even hit the stands. As much as people don't want to believe it, Prince DOES care what people think about him.
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Reply #51 posted 12/29/05 10:28am

alexnvrmnd

vainandy said:

I enjoyed the book because it talked about some stuff I wanted to hear....some dirt.

LOL!! Tell it like it is, Vainandy! You and Davideye are my two favorite posters on this site cuz our view points are often the same on a lot of stuff!
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Reply #52 posted 12/29/05 10:42am

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alexnvrmnd said:

vainandy said:

I enjoyed the book because it talked about some stuff I wanted to hear....some dirt.

LOL!! Tell it like it is, Vainandy! You and Davideye are my two favorite posters on this site cuz our view points are often the same on a lot of stuff!


Thank you. I'm wondering where David Eye is lately. I miss him. I bet he's off for the holidays.
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Reply #53 posted 12/29/05 11:05am

muleFunk

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dewalliz said:

I think housequake would be more suitable for you. lol


Damn ! Is that where everybody went 2 . lol
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Reply #54 posted 12/29/05 11:38am

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dewalliz said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:




Per Nilsson's "DanceMusicSexRomance" is better but the problem is it only covers the first 10 years of Prince's career.

It's not so much that Alex Hahn's book is written from a overly negative point of view (it is but unless you are new to Prince you know a good bit of this info anyway) it's that he beats a dead horse with respect to Wendy & Lisa/The Revolution. Long after the group had disbanded he tends to harp on the topic.For example in the middle of a chapter on let's say ...the Lovesexy tour...there pops up a comment about W&L/The Revolution that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And it goes on like that for a good portion of the book. It's like every five paragraphs he plops some reference to W&L/The Revolution into the discussion where it's totally irrelevant.

If I recall there was a quote arritbuted to Matt Fink that after the book came out Matt addressed and said he never made.

My issue with the book is that I've found some info that is just blantantly wrong. Some of it's minor but still it's stuff that had no reason to be wrong.

But I immediately knew to take Mr. Hahn's opinion and commentary with a grain of salt after he said r&B singer Teena Marie had a "chirpy" singing voice but later on went on to describe Susannah Melvoin as a "skilled vocalist". I literally laughed out loud at that.


I laughed too after i read this one. that is alex's opinion but and let me tell u that teena marie's singing blow susannah' away. susannah is just an average singer to me but her voice is weak and less soulful compared to teena marie's.
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Hey, you may be a Teena fan but don't knock Susannah. I've seen her a few times sing solo live and don't be so sure of that comment because Susannah holds her own.
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Reply #55 posted 12/29/05 12:25pm

TheCatWoman

muleFunk said:

dewalliz said:

I think housequake would be more suitable for you. lol


Damn ! Is that where everybody went 2 . lol


lol thats where all the fans in Limbo hang lol
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Reply #56 posted 12/29/05 12:28pm

dewalliz

TheCatWoman said:

Savannah said:

Well the thing is.. had any part of the book been anything but unsupported fact about Prince's legendary shady business practices... his lawyers would have nailed Hahn.




Very true! I am sure when Prince found out the book was being written, kept his eye out. And I am sure he was the first to read it lol

And WE KNOW if there was any UN truth to the accusations or stories Prince would have been filed a lawsuit before the book even hit the stands. As much as people don't want to believe it, Prince DOES care what people think about him.


co-sign and i believed what was in that book is truth.
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Reply #57 posted 12/29/05 12:37pm

dewalliz

WonderU said:

dewalliz said:



I laughed too after i read this one. that is alex's opinion but and let me tell u that teena marie's singing blow susannah' away. susannah is just an average singer to me but her voice is weak and less soulful compared to teena marie's.
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Hey, you may be a Teena fan but don't knock Susannah. I've seen her a few times sing solo live and don't be so sure of that comment because Susannah holds her own.


I just did. shrug I think Susannah's singing isnt all that and I wasn't mood by it, and yes I heard her sing before live and in the studio. BUt Teena marie now that is the soul sista who has a very powerful and soulful voice. Susannah's voice maybe suitable for a rock or a pop song but an R&B record hell no. If Susannah's voice so all that how come she doesnt have an album yet? Teena Marie is not only well-known but has many albums to back her up. And Teena Marie didnt have it easy either when she first starting out.
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Reply #58 posted 12/29/05 2:00pm

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dewalliz said:

WonderU said:



Hey, you may be a Teena fan but don't knock Susannah. I've seen her a few times sing solo live and don't be so sure of that comment because Susannah holds her own.


I just did. shrug I think Susannah's singing isnt all that and I wasn't mood by it, and yes I heard her sing before live and in the studio. BUt Teena marie now that is the soul sista who has a very powerful and soulful voice. Susannah's voice maybe suitable for a rock or a pop song but an R&B record hell no. If Susannah's voice so all that how come she doesnt have an album yet? Teena Marie is not only well-known but has many albums to back her up. And Teena Marie didnt have it easy either when she first starting out.


So what if she doesn't have an album, Britney Spears does but that doesn't make her a vocalist does it? lol Not suitable for an R & B record? So ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT, the Black Album, and The Family albums don't count as even a little R and B to you? I'm a fan of both and have seen them both live numerous times. If I was putting together a band and needed a vocalist Susannah would be my first choice for her ability to fit her voice to any style from Prince to Pink Floyd.
Prince may be the purple Yoda, but Wendy & Lisa and Eric Leeds also sit on the Jedi Council.
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Reply #59 posted 12/29/05 2:08pm

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WonderU said:

dewalliz said:



I just did. shrug I think Susannah's singing isnt all that and I wasn't mood by it, and yes I heard her sing before live and in the studio. BUt Teena marie now that is the soul sista who has a very powerful and soulful voice. Susannah's voice maybe suitable for a rock or a pop song but an R&B record hell no. If Susannah's voice so all that how come she doesnt have an album yet? Teena Marie is not only well-known but has many albums to back her up. And Teena Marie didnt have it easy either when she first starting out.


So what if she doesn't have an album, Britney Spears does but that doesn't make her a vocalist does it? lol Not suitable for an R & B record? So ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT, the Black Album, and The Family albums don't count as even a little R and B to you? I'm a fan of both and have seen them both live numerous times. If I was putting together a band and needed a vocalist Susannah would be my first choice for her ability to fit her voice to any style from Prince to Pink Floyd.



Sorry, but ATWIAD, Parade and the Family are not full on R&B records. And she only sang minimal back up on SOTT.
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