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PrintableMy friends and I have become so tired of hearing the word "gay" being used as a general insult (having absolutely nothing to do with sexuality or not) that we've decided to start using it about things we like.
Such as, "A BMW has always been my dream car. They are just so gay. I sure hope I can own one some day." or "Have you been watching 'Everyone Hates Chris'? It's the gayest show on TV right now. It's really terrific. You should start Tivo'ing it." how about "Pete Sampras was an amazing tennis player, but Roger Federer is so gay, he may be able to break all of Pete's records...seriously, he's that gay of a tennis player." Let's all start using it as a positive term.  Say "hi" to Mr. Bear | |
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meow85 said: Sinister said: I don't think if a fan immediately says "No he isn't!" is a knock against the gay community...I think it's more of a defense against people trying to label Prince (label him something the person calling him gay deems negative) and or talking out of their ass because they are being assclowns...
Not everyone who says Prince might be gay or bi thinks it's a negative thing. I know that is why I also said and or talking out of their ass clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Yeshua4all said:
Andy my funky friend, to your first point I'd simply say that P should certainly be given the benefit of the doubt given the fact that there has NEVER been any credible reports throughout his very public career for some 25 plus years to even suggest otherwise, his legendary "mack daddiness" of some of the finest women any rock star could ever boast, and lastly though not least significantly his own words. This used to be my arguement when I was in denial and responding to accusations that people were making about myself. I used to challenge people to find a man that I had been with. Of course they couldn't find one because I had never been with one but the desire to be with one was in me and I never acted upon it until I was 22 years old. After that, I stopped worrying about what they thought and carried myself with an attitude of "If someone doesn't like what I do, fuck 'em". Prince doesn't have to actually sleep with a man to be gay. If he secretly desires it, he is gay. Only Prince himself knows what his secret desires are, not me, you, or anyone else. I'm not saying he is gay, all I'm saying is there is a possibility that he could be. You replied that he "is" straight. Unless you are Prince himself, then you don't know. However, to make an unproven claim of that nature (in a public setting no less) is just wrong.
No one here is saying that he actually is gay. No one has lied and listed names of men and claimed that he has been with them. All people can do is speculate that he's gay, just the same as all you can do is speculate that he's straight. As far as Prince being with women or even being married as proof of his heterosexuality, that means absolutely nothing because tons of gay men have been with women when they were in denial. To the analogy that you offered, what can I say man? If you can find some grass hut dwelling, spear throwing tribal native of some remote area in Madagascar somewhere who mistakes Elton and George for straight men, then I suppose you could commended on your diligent search. As for the rest of civilized society, just who would make such a pitiful assessment of both the obvious and more importantly, openly, and repeatedly professed?
Unless someone has been following their careers lately, they would not know of their coming out. A lot of people haven't listened to Elton John since the 1970s and a lot of people haven't listened to George Michael since the 1980s. Everyone doesn't keep up with the latest gossip on entertainers once they drop them. If someone were to meet Elton John and tell him...."Elton, I used to be a huge fan of yours when I was growing up, I love songs like Crocodile Rock. What have you been doing lately? How's your wife?" Now, I seriously don't think Elton would blow up and take offense to being mistaken for straight. However, on the other hand, if a straight person was mistaken for gay, all hell would break loose. As far as the notion that offense taken on the part of someone who may not share the view that same sex is hunky dory contitutes "homophobia" (as in fear of) is completely ludicrous.
"Homophobia" is a word that society came up with but no, I don't think the word is appropriate either. A phobia is a fear and those that were beating and dragging homosexuals to their death were certainly not afraid of them. A more appropriate word would be "Homoprejudice" or "Homobigotry". Straight people don't have to understand what makes a person be attracted to the same sex. They are not supposed to understand because they are straight. The same goes with a gay man. A gay man would consider sex with a woman just as disgusting as a straight man would consider sex with a man. Everyone has their own desires and for one group to sit up and feel superior is prejudice. Once again, gay people don't take offense when mistaken for straight so why should straight people take offense when mistaken for gay? If they didn't think they were superior, they wouldn't care. . . [Edited 12/31/05 4:46am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Yeshua4all said:
Andy my funky friend, to your first point I'd simply say that P should certainly be given the benefit of the doubt given the fact that there has NEVER been any credible reports throughout his very public career for some 25 plus years to even suggest otherwise, his legendary "mack daddiness" of some of the finest women any rock star could ever boast, and lastly though not least significantly his own words. This used to be my arguement when I was in denial and responding to accusations that people were making about myself. I used to challenge people to find a man that I had been with. Of course they couldn't find one because I had never been with one but the desire to be with one was in me and I never acted upon it until I was 22 years old. After that, I stopped worrying about what they thought and carried myself with an attitude of "If someone doesn't like what I do, fuck 'em". Prince doesn't have to actually sleep with a man to be gay. If he secretly desires it, he is gay. Only Prince himself knows what his secret desires are, not me, you, or anyone else. I'm not saying he is gay, all I'm saying is there is a possibility that he could be. You replied that he "is" straight. Unless you are Prince himself, then you don't know. Unless someone has been following their careers lately, they would not know of their coming out. A lot of people haven't listened to Elton John since the 1970s and a lot of people haven't listened to George Michael since the 1980s. Everyone doesn't keep up with the latest gossip on entertainers once they drop them. If someone were to meet Elton John and tell him...."Elton, I used to be a huge fan of yours when I was growing up, I love songs like Crocodile Rock. What have you been doing lately? How's your wife?" Now, I seriously don't think Elton would blow up and take offense to being mistaken for straight. However, on the other hand, if a straight person was mistaken for gay, all hell would break loose. As far as the notion that offense taken on the part of someone who may not share the view that same sex is hunky dory contitutes "homophobia" (as in fear of) is completely ludicrous.
"Homophobia" is a word that society came up with but no, I don't think the word is appropriate either. A phobia is a fear and those that were beating and dragging homosexuals to their death were certainly not afraid of them. A more appropriate word would be "Homoprejudice" or "Homobigotry". Straight people don't have to understand what makes a person be attracted to the same sex. They are not supposed to understand because they are straight. The same goes with a gay man. A gay man would consider sex with a woman just as disgusting as a straight man would consider sex with a man. Everyone has their own desires and for one group to sit up and feel superior is prejudice. Once again, gay people don't take offense when mistaken for straight so why should straight people take offense when mistaken for gay? If they didn't think they were superior, they wouldn't care. . . [Edited 12/31/05 4:46am] 
A person's either intensely stupid or intensely naive if they think Prince being attracted to other men is impossible. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Next subject people that one is old,it died years ago let it go!  | |
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I wish Prince would touch on the Gay topic again. Honestly if he Has he shoukd say he's Bi.... Why Front.Say ya a Freak.... Why doesn't he talk more about SEX. He is STILL ALIVE AND FUCKING righT? TALK ABOUT SEX>>PRINCE..... | |
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When some1 uses "Gay" as an insult, it speaks volumes about the mentality you're dealing with, so 4 me the discussion is usually over at that point and I find some1 worth talking 2. Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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Yes, it does bother me alot!! I really don't care if Prince is or isn't gay. I just love the man  .But, as Prince fans I think that we should defend him and his right to be whatever he considers himself to be! It's really just all about the man and his music. | |
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vainandy said: Yeshua4all said:
Andy my funky friend, to your first point I'd simply say that P should certainly be given the benefit of the doubt given the fact that there has NEVER been any credible reports throughout his very public career for some 25 plus years to even suggest otherwise, his legendary "mack daddiness" of some of the finest women any rock star could ever boast, and lastly though not least significantly his own words. This used to be my arguement when I was in denial and responding to accusations that people were making about myself. I used to challenge people to find a man that I had been with. Of course they couldn't find one because I had never been with one but the desire to be with one was in me and I never acted upon it until I was 22 years old. After that, I stopped worrying about what they thought and carried myself with an attitude of "If someone doesn't like what I do, fuck 'em". Prince doesn't have to actually sleep with a man to be gay. If he secretly desires it, he is gay. Only Prince himself knows what his secret desires are, not me, you, or anyone else. I'm not saying he is gay, all I'm saying is there is a possibility that he could be. You replied that he "is" straight. Unless you are Prince himself, then you don't know. Unless someone has been following their careers lately, they would not know of their coming out. A lot of people haven't listened to Elton John since the 1970s and a lot of people haven't listened to George Michael since the 1980s. Everyone doesn't keep up with the latest gossip on entertainers once they drop them. If someone were to meet Elton John and tell him...."Elton, I used to be a huge fan of yours when I was growing up, I love songs like Crocodile Rock. What have you been doing lately? How's your wife?" Now, I seriously don't think Elton would blow up and take offense to being mistaken for straight. However, on the other hand, if a straight person was mistaken for gay, all hell would break loose. As far as the notion that offense taken on the part of someone who may not share the view that same sex is hunky dory contitutes "homophobia" (as in fear of) is completely ludicrous.
"Homophobia" is a word that society came up with but no, I don't think the word is appropriate either. A phobia is a fear and those that were beating and dragging homosexuals to their death were certainly not afraid of them. A more appropriate word would be "Homoprejudice" or "Homobigotry". Straight people don't have to understand what makes a person be attracted to the same sex. They are not supposed to understand because they are straight. The same goes with a gay man. A gay man would consider sex with a woman just as disgusting as a straight man would consider sex with a man. Everyone has their own desires and for one group to sit up and feel superior is prejudice. Once again, gay people don't take offense when mistaken for straight so why should straight people take offense when mistaken for gay? If they didn't think they were superior, they wouldn't care. . . [Edited 12/31/05 4:46am] Hey man, I couldn’t begin to list the various reasons why people think that they are better than some others. I suppose there must be many from person to person. But then having a brain and using it are two different things aren’t they? I want you to know that I hear what you’re saying. I really do. After reading your response, I believe now that I actually recognize the root of what is an obvious fork in the road of our collective thinking on this topic. You said… "Prince doesn't have to actually sleep with a man to be gay. If he secretly desires it, he is gay. Only Prince himself knows what his secret desires are, not me, you, or anyone else." I absolutely concur that P is the only person who really knows what his secret desires are or have been. Of course you’re right as we are not Borg drones but individual human beings. However, I must reject the assertion of the preceding statement with equal vigor. Not on any moral or religious basis because those are relative from person to person, although my intellectual argument may give rise to a desire to examine its conclusions from one or both of those perspectives. The logic employed as the foundation of your claim is not a new one, however I admit that this is the first time that I’ve read it used with regard to sexuality. “Man is defined in measure by the contents of his heart.” Boil it all down and that’s what we find at the root of your assertion. At first glance the statement seems quite plausible, but does it pass the muster of critical examination? If the logic is a truth then it must hold up when equitably applied across the board. It certainly cannot be exclusive to “sexual” desires as those are just one type in a plethora of human longings. Others are just as legitimate and very strong. Allow me to illustrate the point. Take the married man who lusts after his neighbor’s hyper friendly wife or the co-worker’s daughter who in a manner that is less than stealthy, comes on to him at every given opportunity. He never actually acts to realize his desires. His reasons are his own but he harbors the desire in his heart for a long time. Is he an adulterer and molester? How about the guy who covets the recognition and credit for the work or accomplishments of others? Perhaps there have been opportunities when he could have successfully schemed and gotten away with it. He never did. Can we in good conscience call him a thief? What of the female pageant contestant who knows full well that she could edge out her top competition with a well placed falsehood into the ears of the right person, a lie that could not be easily disproved. At the given opportunity it teeters on her lips but she doesn’t utter it though she’s burning inside to do just that. How then could we call her a liar? Even if you’re still willing to stick by your guns so to speak, Question: Is there a statute of limitations on your pronouncements of judgment. The married man is at a dinner party some years later and can’t help noticing that his heretofore lovely neighbor talks too darn much and cackles like a hyena. His interest is completely blown. Is he still an adulterer? His co-workers daughter is hospitalized with a debilitating illness as her caretakers fight to save her life. He makes an obligatory visit and as he looks upon the young woman, the only face that he can see is that of his own daughter. Something in the man's heart breaks and he is never able to see the girl in a sexual way ever again. Would he still be a molester? True Story: There was this guy in Germany this past year who took out an ad for someone to allow him to kill and eat them. Some poor soul actually answered the ad, went to Germany and met his gruesome fate. It was later discovered that the German man had been wanting to dine on human flesh for many years. Before he made the solicitation, killing, dismembering, and cannibalizing of the respondent, could anyone credibly label him a conspirator, murderer, or cannibal? That is an emphatic NO. Legally to have done so would have been tantamount to slander. People go to jail for that sort of thing don't they? That german is in jail today, not beause of what he wanted in his heart for so long but for what he did. Before he actually did those things, society had no reason or right to define him in light of them. Likewise the desires for same sex that one may have, left alone are just that, desires. It is intellectual fraud to suggest one who has not engaged in acts of homosexuality is in fact a homosexual. The fact is Andy that desires are temporal. They come and go. We are fickle beings, all of us. However it is indeed our actions that truly define us. I believe my reasoning is sound here. 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prince is a gentleman, right? he's not an a-hole? 
i have to defend prince from heterosexual men, i mean they're totally jealous...i don't know what to imply from this. i know this one guy who actually threatens me and gets really angry at me if i say the name 'prince' in his presence, is he jealous or what? this is psychologically really hard on me, since i like to think of prince alot, what do i have to do? [Edited 1/3/06 22:19pm] | |
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Break with the Guy Chunky. I have been through it and Know.. Break it.. | |
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I don't know what it is either but I've come across it too ... alot !!
With our cutlure these days most men seem to want to adopt a "don't give a shit attitude". Because Prince is the opposite of that it threatens them. Prince sings about spirituality and love which is often seen as uncool. I think men call Prince "gay" as an insult to try and make you stop liking him. It's like saying "Real men aren't like that..etc" I suppose it's not very "macho" to like Prince. But really these people are just conforming to societies stereotypes etc. Shut up already, damn. | |
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prince is not gay he's meterosexual.....in case if ya'll don't know what it means its when a straight man grooms himself...like plucking his eyebrows and he wants to look good. but that doesn't mean that he's automatically gay or bi!
anyways prince is not gay he's straight. Peace & B Wild!!! | |
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I'm not a woman
I'm not a man I am something that you'll never understand I think Princey likes to be ambiguous. He's a bit of a tease.... Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: I don't know what it is either but I've come across it too ... alot !!
With our cutlure these days most men seem to want to adopt a "don't give a shit attitude". Because Prince is the opposite of that it threatens them. Prince sings about spirituality and love which is often seen as uncool. I think men call Prince "gay" as an insult to try and make you stop liking him. It's like saying "Real men aren't like that..etc" I suppose it's not very "macho" to like Prince. But really these people are just conforming to societies stereotypes etc. agreed | |
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hotthing02 said: prince is not gay he's meterosexual.....in case if ya'll don't know what it means its when a straight man grooms himself...like plucking his eyebrows and he wants to look good. but that doesn't mean that he's automatically gay or bi!
anyways prince is not gay he's straight. Like i said, you're either intensely stupid or intensely naive if you think you can know someone else's sexuality. That includes Prince. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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i know..and i don't wanna argue w/anybody...but i have a good gaydar....i've never been wrong about someone's sexuality. Peace & B Wild!!! | |
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