Bladerunner said:

Then don't!

kimrachell said:

True.

camille2002 said:

Funny, in one of the very few interviews his mother did she never described herself as half anything when asked the question. If she were alive she'd probably like to know where you got that from.

MaytesAnus said:

Take your own advice Anus.

Bladerunner said:

ummm okay... ...
[This message was edited Tue Jun 25 13:24:52 PDT 2002 by july]

july, I think what Bladerunner is getting at is that unless you are Prince or know him intimately, you can't authoritatively say what experiences he has had regarding discrimination. You may be familiar with his public persona and some of his history, but that doesn't translate into knowing what he has gone through every day of his life. Doesn't mean that you may not be right, just that it's doubtful you would actually know one way or the other.

Universaluv said:

Well actually it's common knowledge to know that he was basicly not treatly unfairly or discriminated upon. The basis is there, via comments from people involved in his early years and from Prince himself. The evidence is there. bladerunner is picking at irrelevant details. I don't know what you did today, Universaluv, but it is obivous that you were able to access the internet. It's not that hard to realize that prince was treated with respect and grew to understand that black, white, jewish or whatever could get along. He did not question it. Sure racism is everywhere but it was obiviously not a problem in most of his career, or for sure it would have shown in his work. Don't you remember "White, Black, Puerto Pican everybody just a freakin"?

BlurredEye, I think you make a really good point.

every1 please keep in mind that P is a MUSICIAN who has a Gift that most people don't recognize about themselves @ all in life & speaking as a Afkian American (BlackMan) who has has Bloodlines of Cherokee nation & BlackFoot Nation (American Indians) that i HAD a Slave Name & when my Mother became Muslim a recognized that her name & my name was a Slave Name it was changed.

we should keep in Mind that there is Message in the Music & The Messenger happens 2 b a Gifted African American Man who just writes & sings about an "Inspiration"... Music.

& who REALLY is a Genuis in this WOrld anyway???
[This message was edited Tue Jun 25 14:39:00 PDT 2002 by PurpleLove7]

HAN said:

Yeah, I think I will live to be 400 as well. Prince is sooo clever.

july said:

He's right; your reasoning is amazingly weak. And lacks ANY sort of worldly-wise logic for that matter. This is an argument you cannot win in any shape or form, because it certainly IS a naive assumption.

Supernova said:

double on you nova...
ummm okay... that's just great...
but i already won the argument..
sorry... lol... smile...

I was able to access the internet so..what?? I'm not claiming that he has/hasn't suffered discrimination.
I'm merely stating that I don't know the man and I don't pretend to know what he's been through either way.

I think you are saying that he has demonstrated in the past through his career that he believes that race shouldn't be an issue. Well so did Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, Jr. However, they certainly experienced discrimination. And no I am NOT comparing Prince to either of those individuals. I'm just saying that his public persona wouldn't necessarilly tell us anything about what he has personally experienced.

july said:

[This message was edited Tue Jun 25 15:54:34 PDT 2002 by Universaluv]

Universaluv said:

His music and persona reflect who he is, who else would they reflect?, and it is obivous that prince was comfortable with people of all races. Which is the direct result of a mostly positive racial enviroment. There is no need to argue...

Supernova said:

Very much agreed. Accomplishes nothing. In fact, widens any divides.

Prince is a musical genius but is not intellectual... I don't know... the man seems quite intelligent, maybe not intellectual, he seems to be too creative to be an academic pure breed! I think there are awful, unimaginable for me, atrosities that happen today and have happened in the past to ppl in this world. What I think I hear u saying is that Prince has offended u. While I have not analysed the song, I am fairly sure that Prince has enough intelligence not to say what you have suggested. I am defending him as I have loved and followed his work for years, I find it hard to believe that he would change his tack so drastically.

I suppose we can all only guess at what he means lyrically with any of his records. The only man that can fill us in, is him. And, we may have similar or different interpretations of his music.

LOL.

Universaluv said:

Exactly. Thank you. But he'll keep trying to argue it because he thinks he has to have the last word. No matter how much his dumb examples disregard common sense.

Booo HOooo
Cry Me a River!!
Who are you to judge anyway.
May he without sin cast his first stone.
Let the man sing for crying out loud he is just doing what he knows best and we all love him for it.

Any 1 wishing to dog the man in any way shouldn't be in the fan community in the first place.
Just my opinion

cofiko said:

A feast of typos.

I hadn't given The Family Name much thought until reading this thread. It seams to me that Prince is saying 'Yeah, you guys suffered, but you got to keep your name.' I won't try to read any further into it. Maybe Prince is particularly conscious of his family name. Remember when he changed his name to a symbol, he said something like 'What does Nelson mean to me? Who was Nel?'

It seems that people are rather sensitive to discuss this matter. Is it forbidden for Prince, a non-Jew to hold an opinion and make remarks about Jews? I get the impression Americans are rather hung-up on race issues and political correctedness.

Whatever, it's a damn funky song!

although the jews got to keep their names as opposed to the blacks who don't know where they are from or who were exactly their ancestors, it seems silly since a lot of african countries devoloped after ww2. so who knows where they are from?

prince may be intelligent becuase his work is good,awful, and great. not all of u can say his work is amazing, ya know that; so that can't mean he is intelligent. maybe u want to say if prince is sensitive. or maybe he thinks too much about things he can not change.

Bladerunner said:

you're an idiot blade..

...


Prince these days does seem to lean towards a 'jew bad - black is good - u all owe us - black power trip', but he is able to have his opinions. and he does not hold any power other than to express his opinions on a higher profile level. Prince may be anti jewish now, but he was indeed befriended and helped by people of all races, in fact in his early career most of his band and managers were jewish or white. Prince was never discriminated against! Infact he was treated very well racialy, but for unknown reasons, Prince feels the need to identify with so called racial divides. so what is Abraham Lincoln was a racist! This is now! Beside we are all in the same boat racial or otherwise, either people on this planet live together and be tolerant of nonviolent differences or all will parish as one... one planet one truth one enemy... hate and violence... so Prince is far behind on the racial history. This is now. But he is entitled to his perspectives... don't worry no one will ever agree... but a hopeful nonviolent world would be helpful! To each his own. what's yours is yours not his! His is not yours. Respect is a better word. hey have lunch with whoever you wish! don't hate! participate! the past is gone.. welcome to the dawn... Prince was basicly treated good by whites and people of other races. That's why he wanted his band to be multiracial to protray that he was cool with all races. He has no need to feel he was done wrong, he was done right, and it shows in his music. If black, white and all races get along creativity is heighted. He was encouraged and helped by alot of people of all colors. Discrimination did not play a major role in it. An enviroment of nondiscrimination is what gave him open opportunites. An enviroment where they are validating his creativity as not being black or white or any color, is what made it possible for him to feel comfortable in the mostly white music industry of the early 80's. Prince was basicly treated very fair, as far as his race. And was not as a whole discriminated against. Btw: I Love Prince! It's common knowledge to know that he was basicly not treatly unfairly or discriminated upon. The basis is there, via comments from people involved in his early years and from Prince himself. The evidence is there. No need for picking at irrelevant details. It's not that hard to realize that prince was treated with respect and grew to understand that black, white, jewish or whatever could get along. He did not question it. Sure racism is everywhere but it was obiviously not a problem in most of his career, or for sure it would have shown in his work. Don't you remember "White, Black, Puerto Pican everybody just a freakin"? His music and persona reflect who he is, who else would they reflect?, and it is obivous that prince was comfortable with people of all races. Which is the direct result of a mostly positive racial enviroment...

july said:

I don't know why you think I'm interested in any more of anything your retarded, nonsensical self has to say, all youre doing is pushing your opinionated propaganda. And although you wasted about 10 minutes posting some silly dissertation I don't care to read you sure as heck can have the last word.

Adios.

Of course Prince has experienced racism. He was born in 1958. Segregation was in full effect especially in white assed Minneapolis. Listen to The Sacrifice of Victor. He went on that high yella trip so hard he got yall thinking his nappy headed ass aint catch hell? N--- please. Thats half of the reason why that n--- was so crazy in the first place. Damn. Dont get it twisted. You think he was dressing up cuz being Skippy was fun?

Imagine if you could remember clearly, in your lifetime, when there were places you coulnt go, and things you couldnt do because of the color of your skin. I can remember my mother being happy she was gonna be able to go into a fucking department store for the first time. Lunch counters, rest rooms, water fountains, the whole shit. And I'm younger than Prince. You were supposed to accept that there were just things in life that you could never be. You really dont know what the fuck youre talking about. Don't be so ignorant, youre arrogant.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 26 19:44:49 PDT 2002 by Jagjams]

Jagjams said:

Too late.

How Dare you! Prince is both a musical Genius and and Intellectual. Where did you hear him say Jews are Devils or that the Jehovah's would say that? Are you crazy? Are you on Drugs? What is your problem or are you just plain STOOPID! I think we already know the answer to this.

Actually people like yourselves just miss the point completely anyway there are good PSYCHIATRISTS out there to help you deal with your problem . I feel for you but this is not the place for your Propaganda. Also if you are indeed crazy this is the reason Prince has SECURITY. Peace be with you my friend.

And it's naive to think any adult non white person has 'never' experienced discrimination. That's just a dumb thing for anybody to say.
Whites are discriminated against as well...there is shallow hatred directed at all human ethnicities...
one planet, one people, please

feltbluish said:

Actually if you are talking to me? The point I was making was that Prince is a creation of a good enviroment around him, and it helped lead him the acclaim of people of all races... It's not a negative thing... I did not say Prince never experienced racism... but I do not think it dominates his persona. When he experienced white folks and black folks etc, jammin to the music, and getting along. It gave him the backing to say. It does not matter what sex or race! Just be human! Don't box yourself in! All racial perpectives they are all valid!... BTW: I am not white... I am of mixed race, so i have seen it on both sides, but my point was that, it's great to transend the racial divide, and Prince being of a multiracial background as well, hopefully he would look beyond the racial differences and move on to solutions that lead to even more racial unity. I feel that something good can come from pointing out our human similarities, rather than pointing out past racial divides. And trust me, what i wrote was not intended to upset, i was taking part in the banter of weather prince was correct, and a highly intellectual person or pointing out why races do not get along, without solutions. My intention is for all people black, white, everybody! to respect each other and let a new future evolve... and put the past in the past! BTW: I love Prince! which is obvious, and hold alot of respect for him on all levels... it's disscussion..

july said:

What a pathetic liar.

I think lately that Prince is highly influenced by Larry.
I was never a big fan of Larry's but after seeing him at the celebration this year, God forgive me and Iam a nice person, but I believe Larry to be an idiot.