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PrintablePrince is an idiot. That's always been pretty clear. But he's a musically talented idiot. | |
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well...well...welll, it seems as though many ppl bought the album heard the music, listened to his words but missed the point completely...
what some ppl mention in the coments above is waayyy off the mark. Go back, listen again... and again, listen with U'r mind not just U'ears... after a while he makes sense, some truth revealed... -"If U don't like,
what U see here -get the FUNK out." | |
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as evident, I am the sole intellectual on this site bar none. no one even comes close to my brillance. " could I be... the most beautiful man in the world! plain to see, i"m the reason that God made a man!"UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GRADUATE! VERY PRESTIGIOUS! | |
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GoldiesParade said: Prince has always spouted off without not really knowing what he is talking about. I just listen to his music now, not what he says.
He is to smart for you. That is the reason why you don't understand Prince. | |
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0rlando said: well...well...welll, it seems as though many ppl bought the album heard the music, listened to his words but missed the point completely...
what some ppl mention in the coments above is waayyy off the mark. Go back, listen again... and again, listen with U'r mind not just U'ears... after a while he makes sense, some truth revealed... And what makes you think you understand it? Because you want to? Because you adore Prince? That doesn't work. He's an idiot. | |
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Here we go again, Prince is anti-jewish: Then he must be anti-black, (because the NAACP accused him of being anti-black because he didn't hire many Blacks. (mainly whites)
He must be Anti-women because he uses women as sex toys. according to some women's groups. He must be anti-religion because he put a backwards message on purple rain. (according to religious leaders) He must be anti-children because he let his son die according to his babies nanny, he must be against family values because he said Mastubation on darling Nikki (according to Tipper Gore) He must be anti-mothers because he wasn't seen at his mother's funeral (according to some post I read on the org) and now he is an Idiot according to all the perfect people on the org. You all amaze me. How you gonna get my back when you fronting. | |
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bkw said: eos23 said: Aerogram said: Prince is not an "intellectual"... Mmmm... I'm not either, and you still love me, right?
The children of the world are dying, the earth is dying, why are we still trippin' on color and creed? IN the name of the father, in the name of the sun, we need to come together, come together as ONE. I am a Jew, I am Black, WHite, Asian, Indian< HMONg, We are ONE, what u feel, I feel...The teacher said, My name is " I am that I am" wtf?...lol I think we gotta take an intellactual semenar... | |
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thechronic said: as evident, I am the sole intellectual on this site bar none. no one even comes close to my brillance.
There's an intellectual in da house... Maybe this is a good time to ask if relativism and existantialism are compatible. | |
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I don't understand why people don't pick up on the fact that Prince is saying "Holocaust ASIDE many lived and died..." I think the "aside" is important, because he is saying that other than The Holocaust, white people didn't suffer anything as terrible as slavery. He is acknowleding the horror of the Holocaust, by saying it is the only thing that a white race has suffered that comes near the humiliation of slavery. Ultimately, he feels the whites who have died were fortunate by comparison, because death is preferable to being sold like cattle. So really, he isn't attacking Jews, he's actually equating their suffering. Just my interp. 
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"Comparing" suffering, especially at this level, is pretty crazy. No one will rest until they've been deemed the most suffering people!
Is there anyone who really knows the answer to that? | |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: "Comparing" suffering, especially at this level, is pretty crazy. No one will rest until they've been deemed the most suffering people!
Is there anyone who really knows the answer to that? The most honest answer yet! JediMaster I tend to agree with your interpretation.. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Discussion is healthy and I believe that most of these posts come from a good place in people's hearts and minds. Regardless of what a man we all admire on some level says, I think it is imperative that we realize we can better our situation on this planet by breaking down the psychological barriers that divide us.
This was not my feeling or purpose when I first posted a random thought of mine but upon reading all the spirited responses I came to that conclusion. | |
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GustavoRibas said: Well, I never thought Prince was a good intellectual. Most of his songs always had average/superficial lyrics for me. I always thought that people like Meshell, Tracy Chapman, Living Colour and Bob Dylan were much better lyrically.
But ironically, I think TRC has some of his best lyrics ever. I dont like the ´pop opera´ stuff of verses like ´Surrounded the palace´, etc. But ´Family Name´ and some parts of ´Last december´ and ´Everlasting now´ have some very interesting questions. I know ´FN´ may sound offensive to jews, but he is trying to say that black people suffered a lot (and still do), and they didn´t have the same media support, movies, etc I think it´s safe for me to talk about it because technically I am a latin, so I am not talking of my own cause. But let´s face it. The Holocaust was one of the most horrible things in History. But slavery was EQUALLY horrible (see the movie Amistad), and you don´t see many movies and TV reports about it, while I´ve seen dozen about the Holocaust. I understand that was Prince´s point. Personally, I think we ALL must be treated equally. I am not defending black people, jews, asians, etc. and let's not forget the native american's (indians) who are always seemed to be forgoten! which makes my blood boil  so many thousands & millions of native americans were killed in the early times of the USA! and still to this day are left to suffer of land that has no good use! what happened to the native american's was one of the worst things in history and something that makes me ashamed of the USA! jews have suffered so much throughout history, and i've read those prince lyrics, if he is in-fact anti-jew...that's his right to feel that way, but it sure is a sick way to feel! jews are God's people, Jesus was and is a jew...so if he claims to love Jesus so much this mind-set makes no sense to me! every culture in the world suffers greatly in some ways throughout history...i am also ashamed of the usa and their treatment of black people, using them as slaves (it's sick!) racism is something that my mind will never understand because it makes no sense to me. whoever decided one color or shade of skin was better than any other had their head up their a*s! every shade is beautiful![This message was edited Tue Jun 25 7:55:16 PDT 2002 by kimrachell] | |
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as far as prince being an intellectual...
he don't seem too smart to me lately. but who am i to judge. he had some great lyrics in the past such as "sign o' the times", "the cross", "the love we make". he can be a good writer, but there are so many others that are good writer's too... | |
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cofiko said: gustavorivas, are you aware that far more than half of the toal jewish population ON THE PLANET was killed in the Hollocaust.
- Man, I dont want to polemize. I respect all kinds of people, but you have to agree that TODAY jews´ situation is much better than black people´s situation. At least here in Brasil it´s a lot easier to see a jew in a good economical situation than a black man/woman. Slavery was a terrible thing and no one peoples hardships could ever possibly outweigh anothers, however, it is imperative that people distinguish between opression and extermination.
- Imagine yourself living with a beautiful wife and your son/daughter. Then some people capture you, beat you, put you in a boat. If you get a disease, they would throw you in the sea, along with all other diseased people. IF you were healthy, you would be taken to a white guy´s house that you never saw before in your life, and you would be forced to work for your ENTIRE LIFE for his family FOR FREE, being beaten, hurt, watching the black women get raped and far from your friends and family. If it isn´t HELL, I can´t imagine a worse situation. For me, it´s extermination - not of the body, but of the soul and mind. Think about it. |
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AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: "Comparing" suffering, especially at this level, is pretty crazy. No one will rest until they've been deemed the most suffering people!
Is there anyone who really knows the answer to that? yeah...that is why Prince asks...: "but when all truth is told, would you rather be dead than be sold...?" The one who knows all truth surely will know the answer right? But you are all leaving out the rest of the verse that is very important. The entire verse is: "Like a thief in the night my Lord come and strike leave nothing but ashes to the left, dust to the right Holocaust aside, many lived and died but when all truth is told, would u rather be dead than be sold? sold to the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait thinking like the keys on prince's piano will be just fine..." "ashes and dust" is what our bodies turn into when we die. Prince is talking about the Holocaust where 6 million jews died and literally turned into ashes and dust ... 6 million jews who were arrested for no other reason than being jewish, were transported and treated like animals, brought to concentrationcamps where they either were forced to work themselves to death or where they were shot, raped, abused and most often gassed in gaschambers... after that their bodies were burned in ovens... leaving nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right... Now I am not saying that prince is saying that his Lord came like a thief in the night for the jews and left nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right... the holocaust... but imo it is justified to ask yourself this, since he mentions the holocaust right after he says his lord leaves nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right. Whatever he really tries to say here, how he says it, is not smart and, depending on how you choose to interpret what he says, verges on being utterly anti-semitic. - [This message was edited Tue Jun 25 8:21:18 PDT 2002 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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There is absolutely no sense in comparing blacks and Jews for the worst historical treatment. Both races had awful things that happened to them, no one being worse than the other.
A ton of other races have had the exact same thing happen. On the subject of genocide, I suggest you read an article called "The Last 10 Years in Kosovo." Chinese genocide against Mongolians. 150,000 victims in 10 years. True, not as quick and great of a number as the Holocaust. And no one seems to mention Native Americans... -------
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Abrazo said: AnotherLoverHoleinYoHead said: "Comparing" suffering, especially at this level, is pretty crazy. No one will rest until they've been deemed the most suffering people!
Is there anyone who really knows the answer to that? yeah...that is why Prince asks...: "but when all truth is told, would you rather be dead than be sold...?" The one who knows all truth surely will know the answer right? But you are all leaving out the rest of the verse that is very important. The entire verse is: "Like a thief in the night my Lord come and strike leave nothing but ashes to the left, dust to the right Holocaust aside, many lived and died but when all truth is told, would u rather be dead than be sold? sold to the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait thinking like the keys on prince's piano will be just fine..." "ashes and dust" is what our bodies turn into when we die. Prince is talking about the Holocaust where 6 million jews died and literally turned into ashes and dust ... 6 million jews who were arrested for no other reason than being jewish, were transported and treated like animals, brought to concentrationcamps where they either were forced to work themselves to death or where they were shot, raped, abused and most often gassed in gaschambers... after that their bodies were burned in ovens... leaving nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right... Now I am not saying that prince is saying that his Lord came like a thief in the night for the jews and left nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right... the holocaust... but imo it is justified to ask yourself this, since he mentions the holocaust right after he says his lord leaves nothing but ashes to the left and dust to the right. Whatever he really tries to say here, how he says it, is not smart and, depending on how you choose to interpret what he says, verges on being utterly anti-semitic. - [This message was edited Tue Jun 25 8:21:18 PDT 2002 by Abrazo] your logic seems more correct. his lyrics dont seem anti-semtic at all. after all prince wears, and does with his women, would u think of him as a womanizer or one with no respect for woman? NO. personally, i think both the blacks and jews suffered a lot but not equally. the jews were persectued by the christains since they hurt their lord christ. the muslims/jews fought a lot due to backstabbing by the jews when islam devoloped. jews/muslims still fight over disagreements. jews went throigh the holocaust. jews today are persecuted for being too much in the media( this makes no sense since when the media business first started to grow, the jews were the only ones who considered the job). kkk members hate the jews. blacks went through slavery. they were persecuted and are being persecuted for being just black. kkk members exist due to them. ppl. from other cultures than white and black are told that blacks are evil. | |
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What the heck has this thread turned into?
Blacks or Jews who has had it worse? I'll see your Holocaust and raise you with my Middle Passage? I can tell you exactly what Prince thinks and feels even though I don't know him? Prince was/wasn't discriminated against in his career, and I know this because I bought some of his records and I have Purple Rain on DVD? A bunch of people theorizing about stuff they ultimately know nothing about. Welcome to prince.org. Now it's my turn. 
Back to the original post, whether you consider Prince to be an intellectual seems quite unrelated to whether you feel he is anti-Semitic. Don't be fooled, there are some very intelligent anti-Semites out there (and perhaps in here). Regarding family name, I think it's genuinely ambiguous regarding the Jewish reference. It's definitely there, but the context is questionable. So for me the jury's still out on that question. Now, is Prince an intellectual? Hell if I know. I don't have his IQ score handy. He's said some smart things over the years, he said some stupid things also. Proves he is human, but doesn't say much else. He's certainly gifted in certain areas and not others. But who isn't? I guess the jury's still out on that question too. | |
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Whether or not Prince is an intellectual does not hinge on whether or not anyone suffered more or less than anyone else. Also, he may in some instances be speaking the truth and that's great. But the way I see it, his insights are not particularly deep and sometimes his conclusions are hasty. I would also have to say that sometimes, just sometimes, his lyrics (although they may be speaking the truth) can come across as a little trite.
He has just as much insight into life as the next person; sure, he's lived an interesting life and can therefore offer an interesting perspective. But we've all suffered in our lives and we've all formed our own world views. Some people mistake his obvious musical talent for some kind of deeper understanding of the world, and I think that's dangerous, particularly since some people are unable to see that he is just a person with a point of view. Anyway, in summary, no, I don't think he's an intellectual. But so what? He could very well be the greatest musician who ever lived... isn't that enough??? | |
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By the way, someone mentioned not knowing his IQ score. That would indicate whether or not he is INTELLIGENT, not whether or not he is an intellectual (these are not one and the same). I think that he most definitely IS intelligent. | |
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Yes you are right, and dude it was a sarcastic remark not to be taken that seriously. I really gotta remember to post the little guy more often..
orangesky said: By the way, someone mentioned not knowing his IQ score. That would indicate whether or not he is INTELLIGENT, not whether or not he is an intellectual (these are not one and the same). I think that he most definitely IS intelligent. | |
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Aerogram said: thechronic said: as evident, I am the sole intellectual on this site bar none. no one even comes close to my brillance.
There's an intellectual in da house... Maybe this is a good time to ask if relativism and existantialism are compatible. maybe you could enlighten us on that one. | |
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orangesky said: By the way, someone mentioned not knowing his IQ score. That would indicate whether or not he is INTELLIGENT, not whether or not he is an intellectual (these are not one and the same). I think that he most definitely IS intelligent.
Only intelligent people are capable of the level of creativity that prince displays, have you ever met a dumb Artist? | |
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Pingu - exactly!  | |
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O.K
Pick what I said apart. After this -Do blacks do bad things? -Do whites do bad things? -Do Hispanics do bad things? -Do Asians do bad things? -Do jews Do bad things? So why is it that anytime anyone Speaks out in disagreement with jews everyone runs to defend them? Like They can do no wrong? We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not. | |
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I don't think that Prince is anti anything. I don't know the man personally, but judging him from his music shows how open minded this cat really is. Of course everyone in here is intitled to there opinion, and that goes without saying, but Prince is mixed, and his mother was half jewish. So I doubt he would against his own blood. But the title "TRC" itself shows you that he is down for people of all colors, shapes, sizes etc. But sometimes I wish that he wasn't so wrapped in his beliefs, and stop putting out in his music, but hey... that's just Prince. And although I don't mind hearing it, I don't need to hear track after track, show after show, so on... But right now thats just the way things are for Prince, and I'd rather listen to him any day that these average ass cats out hear now a days. Cause the music that he puts out now, is still extremely good, preachy, but good. And in his lyrics that he states now a days, he makes some interesting points. | |
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There are some grammar mistakes in my post, but try to over look it. Thanks. | |
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july said:[quote] Bladerunner said: "Prince was never discriminated against!"quote]
Case closed. Prince was basicly treated very fair, as far as his race. And was not as a whole discriminated against. Yeah and YOU were there every second of his life to know this. What a dumbass know-it-all statement for you or anyone else to make. | |
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Jewish names, eh?
I think they were used as an example of people that have been persecuted but have retained their origins. Unlike the "slaves" taken against their will to the Americas and beyond who were forced to take on their slave master's names. Just a thought... -----------------------------------------------
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