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3121: Will we see the Prince of old? As a new project beckons and we hope against hope for some magic of old to somehow resurface, I once again sadly acknowledge to myself that the goose is dead. There probably are no more golden eggs.
The magic was lost many years ago, when anger and a desperation to remain relevant killed the natural outflow of pure creativity and inspiration. Sure, there have been golden pebbles here and there, but for the most part, the frustrating pattern of forced, uninspired output remains intact. I think the freedom that Prince has so earnestly searched for throughout his career is eluding him. Sure, he has succeeded in breaking away from record labels and business models, but he has not freed himself from his most oppressive captor - himself. For Prince to return to the place where inspiration flows, he must free himself from his own overwhelming need for recognition. In my opinion, his focus shifted back in '92 with the Symbol album. Remember the "My name is Prince, and I am funky" song? Has there ever been a song that screamed more desperately "hey everybody! please look at me!!! I'm still relevant and I'm still the best!!!? This to me was when the wheels came off and since then, it wasn't anymore about the music, but about a desperate search to regain lost glory... The few golden pebbles that have materialized since then have emerged when some other motivation was in place. His love for Mayte and for his unborn child inspired several beautiful songs in Emancipation, and his live performances continue to be amazing because the stage is the one place where he is truly "free". But when was the last time he created something truly special in the studio? The goose was killed by too much ambition and insecurity, but I believe that the magic is still in there. The inspiration and purity that created so many priceless works of art many years ago still exists. The magic can be revived by removing all the self-imposed anxiety and expectations so the creative energy can flow freely once again. Can he do it? I think only true spirituality can inspire this, but not the kind that arrogantly seeks to convince others. So now, on the heels of the first ever critically overrated Prince album (Musicology), let us pray for a miracle. Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades Must I become naked? No image at all? | |
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a. Musicology just gave no hints of him regaining his old form. I do hope that maybe, just maybe, last year's tour success and image revival gave his ego the recognition fix he was starving for and that this inspires him once again. Must I become naked? No image at all? | |
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I try to support the man because i love him so...but NO i dont expect to ever be dazzled and Blown away by his genius ever again on records...live yes 100% of the time. | |
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BigMFCheez said: This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be
a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades After having heard those 2 boring samples of that new song all I can say is that it's probably just another a + b (more TRC, Musicology boringness...) Neversin. [Edited 12/12/05 10:18am] O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Yeah, I have to agree with you guys. The sample of Te Amo Corazon is beyond boring, IMHO. It's really disappointing (and frustrating) that such a creative mind, such a trailblazer seems to have lost that magic. Musicology was just a joke of an album. There's no wonder only two songs from it were played during the tour. It does seem like he has planned ahead for this album and it's not a rush job, so let's hope we'll be dazzled once again. And hey, maybe this Te Amo...is just a little something to tide us over until the Grammy period when a hot, funky track is released and is accompanied by a Grammy performance to fuel interest in the tour. | |
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It seems to me that Prince lost his touch when he stopped writing for or with other people like The Time, Sheila E, Mazarati, Rosie Gains, Wendy&Lisa... | |
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I really make a conscious effort not to judge his music style.
He is ever changing, and so is his music... Just enjoy what is given. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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I say no way. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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**Will we see the Prince of old? No. probably just an old Prince. But hey, that's still better than just about anything else going on in music today. This hoping for the Prince of OLD is nothing NEW. I remember many Prince fans longed for the funk of Controversy and 1999 when Purple Rain came out. We just lost Richard Pryor. APPRECIATE THIS MAN WHILE WE HAVE HIM!!! Let's set him free from the 80's prison we have locked him in. I'm not sure many of us would even recognize the Prince of old if he returned. 3121 won't be 1999, but I'm excited anyway. Who's with me?** CALL ME A DREAMER 2! |
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Octavius said: Musicology was just a joke of an album. There's no wonder only two songs from it were played during the tour.
At least 5 songs from Musicology were played during the tour. Musicology, ICP&C, On the Couch, LOTP, and Call My Name. | |
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Universaluv said: Octavius said: Musicology was just a joke of an album. There's no wonder only two songs from it were played during the tour.
At least 5 songs from Musicology were played during the tour. Musicology, ICP&C, On the Couch, LOTP, and Call My Name. I actually got so excited hearing LOTP at the concert thinkin...that song is going to be on the album.... and I got the album and went  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I don't believe in that Prince lost it around the the time he recorded "my name is Prince2. To be that was just a take on rap songs where rappers big themselves up, and it fitted a storyline for the symbol albumn. I'll apologise in advanced to an JW's out there, because for me it was when he got into their teachings. He has become very blinkered and like millions others is being channeled (controlled) into a single view of how things should be, whereas before he open to all things including spiritaulity. Sad fact is that after freeing himself from the record industry he as become a slave of religion. Totally agree that he still writes some great songs and I loved TRC even though I and athiest - because the music was so outstanding and fresh - he was pushing the boundries again. I too just listen to the old stuff when I want to back to the 80's sound. I don't really care if he never reaches those heights again, because he is older and his views and evolved over time - I know mine have. People should should just let go, but we all know someone personally who refuses to change, they still go clubbing and drinking every weekend just as they did 20 years ago and then they wonder why their kids behave the way they do - rant over!!! |
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BigMFCheez said: As a new project beckons and we hope against hope for some magic of old to somehow resurface, I once again sadly acknowledge to myself that the goose is dead. There probably are no more golden eggs.
The magic was lost many years ago, when anger and a desperation to remain relevant killed the natural outflow of pure creativity and inspiration. Sure, there have been golden pebbles here and there, but for the most part, the frustrating pattern of forced, uninspired output remains intact. I think the freedom that Prince has so earnestly searched for throughout his career is eluding him. Sure, he has succeeded in breaking away from record labels and business models, but he has not freed himself from his most oppressive captor - himself. For Prince to return to the place where inspiration flows, he must free himself from his own overwhelming need for recognition. In my opinion, his focus shifted back in '92 with the Symbol album. Remember the "My name is Prince, and I am funky" song? Has there ever been a song that screamed more desperately "hey everybody! please look at me!!! I'm still relevant and I'm still the best!!!? This to me was when the wheels came off and since then, it wasn't anymore about the music, but about a desperate search to regain lost glory... The few golden pebbles that have materialized since then have emerged when some other motivation was in place. His love for Mayte and for his unborn child inspired several beautiful songs in Emancipation, and his live performances continue to be amazing because the stage is the one place where he is truly "free". But when was the last time he created something truly special in the studio? The goose was killed by too much ambition and insecurity, but I believe that the magic is still in there. The inspiration and purity that created so many priceless works of art many years ago still exists. The magic can be revived by removing all the self-imposed anxiety and expectations so the creative energy can flow freely once again. Can he do it? I think only true spirituality can inspire this, but not the kind that arrogantly seeks to convince others. So now, on the heels of the first ever critically overrated Prince album (Musicology), let us pray for a miracle. Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades Completely ridiculous post  | |
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BigMFCheez said: As a new project beckons and we hope against hope for some magic of old to somehow resurface, I once again sadly acknowledge to myself that the goose is dead. There probably are no more golden eggs.
The magic was lost many years ago, when anger and a desperation to remain relevant killed the natural outflow of pure creativity and inspiration. Sure, there have been golden pebbles here and there, but for the most part, the frustrating pattern of forced, uninspired output remains intact. I think the freedom that Prince has so earnestly searched for throughout his career is eluding him. Sure, he has succeeded in breaking away from record labels and business models, but he has not freed himself from his most oppressive captor - himself. For Prince to return to the place where inspiration flows, he must free himself from his own overwhelming need for recognition. In my opinion, his focus shifted back in '92 with the Symbol album. Remember the "My name is Prince, and I am funky" song? Has there ever been a song that screamed more desperately "hey everybody! please look at me!!! I'm still relevant and I'm still the best!!!? This to me was when the wheels came off and since then, it wasn't anymore about the music, but about a desperate search to regain lost glory... The few golden pebbles that have materialized since then have emerged when some other motivation was in place. His love for Mayte and for his unborn child inspired several beautiful songs in Emancipation, and his live performances continue to be amazing because the stage is the one place where he is truly "free". But when was the last time he created something truly special in the studio? The goose was killed by too much ambition and insecurity, but I believe that the magic is still in there. The inspiration and purity that created so many priceless works of art many years ago still exists. The magic can be revived by removing all the self-imposed anxiety and expectations so the creative energy can flow freely once again. Can he do it? I think only true spirituality can inspire this, but not the kind that arrogantly seeks to convince others. So now, on the heels of the first ever critically overrated Prince album (Musicology), let us pray for a miracle. Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades Yep I agree. Great statement. I just think 'Hey Prince go check out some of your old songs...' Maybe that will inspire him when he realises how GREAT he was even though he was overly critised etc... Shut up already, damn. | |
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Neversin said: BigMFCheez said: This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be
a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades After having heard those 2 boring samples of that new song all I can say is that it's probably just another a + b (more TRC, Musicology boringness...) Neversin. [Edited 12/12/05 10:18am] what samples? |
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sag10 said: He is ever changing, and so is his music...
That's why his sound has been the same overproduced, lazy sound since 1996... I'm just waiting for his spontanaeity and creativity to show again instead of his soft, lifeless and uninspired dime-a-dozen jazz, neo-soul phase... It's just weird to see him churn out some amazing stuff live again (aftershows only) since he somewhat returned to form in the live departement with the ONA tour (after his awful tours/concerts from 1997 to 2001... But then again he revisited that phase again with that crappy Musicology tour...) but still manages to disappoint on record... I hope he just gets rid of his band and starts recording solo again... Just enjoy what is given.
Yeah sure, Prince shites on a plate, serves it up to you and you'll enjoy no matter what, right? Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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"This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be
a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades" 1. What is "the Prince of old ?" "Dirty Mind" era? "Purple Rain"? "Diamonds and Pearls"? Prince as  ? At this point, "Emancipation" could be considered "Prince of old".
2. Obviously you have very strict guidelines and a certain bias. How can anyone tell you whether or not Prince is going to fill your own personalized expectations? 3.You said:"[/b]Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" It seems like Prince has moved on from 1980 when he declared "partyup", have you? Talk about a self made prison. I feel bad if you haven't enjoyed a Prince record in decades. He could make another "musicology" and I'd be okay with it. Call me a purple kool aid drinker or whatever. Maybe your just too demanding. Maybe your just like my mother, she's never satisfied. [Edited 12/12/05 12:11pm] "New Power slide...." |
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alandail said: what samples?
http://music.yahoo.com/track/26881954 http://music.msn.com/albu...=45263004# Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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No, I don't think I will like his new album. I just hope it will be better than Musicology. I will be buying it anyway.
That said, the main reason being a bit excited is because my hope emerges that the preaching patriot will at least come to Europe this time. Because live he will probably be once again my favourite artist ever. After seeing the 'Gotta broken heart again'-video (ONA?) ... 
PRINCE, PUT OUT EVERY CRAP YOU WANT US TO LISTEN TO, but just go touring and cross that ocean ! | |
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sonofblade said: BigMFCheez said: As a new project beckons and we hope against hope for some magic of old to somehow resurface, I once again sadly acknowledge to myself that the goose is dead. There probably are no more golden eggs.
The magic was lost many years ago, when anger and a desperation to remain relevant killed the natural outflow of pure creativity and inspiration. Sure, there have been golden pebbles here and there, but for the most part, the frustrating pattern of forced, uninspired output remains intact. I think the freedom that Prince has so earnestly searched for throughout his career is eluding him. Sure, he has succeeded in breaking away from record labels and business models, but he has not freed himself from his most oppressive captor - himself. For Prince to return to the place where inspiration flows, he must free himself from his own overwhelming need for recognition. In my opinion, his focus shifted back in '92 with the Symbol album. Remember the "My name is Prince, and I am funky" song? Has there ever been a song that screamed more desperately "hey everybody! please look at me!!! I'm still relevant and I'm still the best!!!? This to me was when the wheels came off and since then, it wasn't anymore about the music, but about a desperate search to regain lost glory... The few golden pebbles that have materialized since then have emerged when some other motivation was in place. His love for Mayte and for his unborn child inspired several beautiful songs in Emancipation, and his live performances continue to be amazing because the stage is the one place where he is truly "free". But when was the last time he created something truly special in the studio? The goose was killed by too much ambition and insecurity, but I believe that the magic is still in there. The inspiration and purity that created so many priceless works of art many years ago still exists. The magic can be revived by removing all the self-imposed anxiety and expectations so the creative energy can flow freely once again. Can he do it? I think only true spirituality can inspire this, but not the kind that arrogantly seeks to convince others. So now, on the heels of the first ever critically overrated Prince album (Musicology), let us pray for a miracle. Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades Completely ridiculous post Care to elaborate or are you just a hit and run basher? Must I become naked? No image at all? | |
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I think the "Prince of old" is something we have created in our own minds. The Prince of old is the idol we discovered in our teenage years, who was wildly sexual and at the same time spiritual and was delivering exciting music.
Fact is the man is nearly 50 now and for sure has mellowed out. I think he feels he has nothing to prove anymore and he is right about that. He just wants to make well-played r&b/funk type of music, music that he loved in his own teenage years. For me personally, I'd love him to go back to the early, raw electrofunk sound (Controversy, Erotic City, Head etc.) because that's what got me on the Prince boat, but I don't think he will do that anymore. Fortunately for me I also like more traditional r&b/funk/soul music, which admittedly isn't as exciting to me as electrofunk, but still makes for a pleasant listen. I really enjoyed TRC and I enjoyed Musicology too (although the later doesn't contain any real highlights, but makes for a consistent pleasant listen). I expect 3121 to be the same kind of album, because as I explained I don't think Prince feels like he has anything to prove anymore. RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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BigMFCheez said: sonofblade said: Completely ridiculous post Care to elaborate or are you just a hit and run basher? Don't mind him he's just another one of those who can't accept it that people have differing opinions (probably an AmeriKKKan; "if you're not with us you're against us" kind of person...) and thus tries to bash them instead of using his brain (he's probably one of those Prince asskissers who thinks Prince reads on here and hopes he'll get a PM from him or something if he smooches long enough...) it's quite pathetic but hilarious nonetheless... Neversin. [Edited 12/12/05 12:55pm] O(+>NIИ<+)O
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funkaholic1972 said: I think the "Prince of old" is something we have created in our own minds. The Prince of old is the idol we discovered in our teenage years, who was wildly sexual and at the same time spiritual and was delivering exciting music.
Fact is the man is nearly 50 now and for sure has mellowed out. I think he feels he has nothing to prove anymore and he is right about that. He just wants to make well-played r&b/funk type of music, music that he loved in his own teenage years. For me personally, I'd love him to go back to the early, raw electrofunk sound (Controversy, Erotic City, Head etc.) because that's what got me on the Prince boat, but I don't think he will do that anymore. Fortunately for me I also like more traditional r&b/funk/soul music, which admittedly isn't as exciting to me as electrofunk, but still makes for a pleasant listen. I really enjoyed TRC and I enjoyed Musicology too (although the later doesn't contain any real highlights, but makes for a consistent pleasant listen). I expect 3121 to be the same kind of album, because as I explained I don't think Prince feels like he has anything to prove anymore.  CALL ME A DREAMER 2! |
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Neversin said: BigMFCheez said: Care to elaborate or are you just a hit and run basher? Don't mind him he's just another one of those who can't accept it that people have differing opinions (probably an AmeriKKKan; "if you're not with us you're against us" kind of person...) and thus tries to bash them instead of using his brain (he's probably one of those Prince asskissers who thinks Prince reads on here and hopes he'll get a PM from him or something if he smooches long enough...) it's quite pathetic but hilarious nonetheless... Neversin. [Edited 12/12/05 12:55pm] Neversin....have I told you how much I love you lately???  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I'm reading some of this stuff and I am amazed. I don't think Prince will ever resort to "the Prince of old." Like the gentleman mentioned earlier, he's almost 50 years of age and the times have changed and the music has changed. He still gives a great show and say what you want about "Musicology" but the CD was excellent. It was critically acclaimed and it was widely accepted. The reality is the people that knock "Musicology" will be the same folks who will call it a classic in 10 years. I think with the latest offering of "3121" is just another endeavor in the great catalouge of a musical genius. | |
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funkaholic1972 said: I think the "Prince of old" is something we have created in our own minds. The Prince of old is the idol we discovered in our teenage years, who was wildly sexual and at the same time spiritual and was delivering exciting music.
I see your point but you're contradicting yourself here... Sure I created a "Prince of old" in my own mind and that's not the Prince you described above... To me the "Prince of old" (who for you obviously is "wildly sexual and at the same time spiritual", something that's not exactly important to me...) is that guy who used to challenge himself, was original and dared to go places nobody treaded just to see what would happen and left "trends" to the products, instead of following, or rather trying to keep up with, "trends" and whatever is hip now in the corporate industry land... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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poeticrockstar said: He still gives a great show and say what you want about "Musicology" but the CD was excellent. It was critically acclaimed and it was widely accepted.
Not here. Only this week three people said to me : 'Prince?? Does he even make music now? I haven't heard anything new since The most beautiful girl in the world!' | |
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poeticrockstar said: The reality is the people that knock "Musicology" will be the same folks who will call it a classic in 10 years.
That's what people said about people who knockeed "Emancipation" too, but in all reality "Emancipation" just got worse, we're almost 10 years later and now that album not only sounds crap it sounds dated on top of it... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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