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PrintableUniversaluv said: TheCatWoman said: So, what ever happend to all the albums that were distributed by W/B, Prince requested be sent in from his fans a few years ago? What purpose did that (request) serve?
If I recall correctly, they said that they were preparing to sue, but no actual lawsuit was ever filed. Could they have reached a settlement prior to suing? perhaps. Could they have determined the a lawsuit would be more trouble than it was worth? perhaps. CandaceS? What are your thoughts? Do you have ANY idea what the purpose was for the albums Prince and his lawyers requested be sent it? To tell you the truth, I think you don't even know anything about this  | |
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here's what i think it is:
all the albums up to and and including chaos and disorder warner owns (as well as the singles that were released from each album and the b-sides too.) the tracks that prince made ON HIS TIME he owns(there are tracks that he made while being with warners that he didn't give them.not to mention those he made in his home studio) [Edited 1/1/06 12:23pm] | |
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TheCatWoman said: Universaluv said: If I recall correctly, they said that they were preparing to sue, but no actual lawsuit was ever filed. Could they have reached a settlement prior to suing? perhaps. Could they have determined the a lawsuit would be more trouble than it was worth? perhaps. CandaceS? What are your thoughts? Do you have ANY idea what the purpose was for the albums Prince and his lawyers requested be sent it? To tell you the truth, I think you don't even know anything about this The request for fans to send stuff in, and a "clarification" explaining why, is in this old thread {scroll down about 2/3 of the way to see the "clarification" posted by r2funky): http://www.prince.org/msg/5001/56086 Excerpt from the clarification: "The CAUSE emale is a simple request 2 show a Federal Court the actual truth of this age-old riff between ARTIST and LABEL." As these NPGMC messages show, Prince thought he was going to file suit against WB in federal court. Apparently, he equated the various "rehash" releases on the list as a form of bootlegging, never mind that WB had every right to put the stuff out. 
If this federal suit had been filed, I'm sure it would have been trumpeted on NPGMC. I'm thinking an actual lawyer looked at the situation and explained that Prince had no case. Hopefully this helps clarify things. Then again, you can still insist there was a big court victory or huge settlement that we just somehow never heard about...for reasons stated earlier, I don't think that's possible. If Prince won any kind of settlement or court victory against WB he'd be talking about at every opportunity, he'd never agree to keep it confidential!! "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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CandaceS said: TheCatWoman said: CandaceS? What are your thoughts? Do you have ANY idea what the purpose was for the albums Prince and his lawyers requested be sent it? To tell you the truth, I think you don't even know anything about this The request for fans to send stuff in, and a "clarification" explaining why, is in this old thread {scroll down about 2/3 of the way to see the "clarification" posted by r2funky): http://www.prince.org/msg/5001/56086 Excerpt from the clarification: "The CAUSE emale is a simple request 2 show a Federal Court the actual truth of this age-old riff between ARTIST and LABEL." As these NPGMC messages show, Prince thought he was going to file suit against WB in federal court. Apparently, he equated the various "rehash" releases on the list as a form of bootlegging, never mind that WB had every right to put the stuff out.
If this federal suit had been filed, I'm sure it would have been trumpeted on NPGMC. I'm thinking an actual lawyer looked at the situation and explained that Prince had no case. Hopefully this helps clarify things. Then again, you can still insist there was a big court victory or huge settlement that we just somehow never heard about...for reasons stated earlier, I don't think that's possible. If Prince won any kind of settlement or court victory against WB he'd be talking about at every opportunity, he'd never agree to keep it confidential!! So, you are speculating to what did NOT happen.
Anyway, I know some of you are here for more than just the music, but for every bit of detail of Prince life and whatever info you can get from it. What amazes me is you put this link up speculating your theory on what did and did NOT happen but yet you tell others to show proof "back up the talk" or stop speculating. [Edited 1/2/06 7:35am] | |
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Abrazo said: TheCatWoman said: I don't think Money is on Prince mind. I think he got more than his share from W/B already. I think he is more in2 keeping his fans and not losing the little he has left and at the same time, reaching out for a few more. I think he is targetting the younger generation. But with songs like TeAmo, he won't get to far. If he wants to keep the fans left and if he has to work with WB to give the fans what they want (unreleased recordings and digital remasters) then he better start working with WB and they with him. Well, yes, that would make complete commercial and practical sense, but I don't think Prince has been in the same room with those two since he signed his $100 M with WB. WB apparently wanted to do a big 20th Anniversary reissue of Purple Rain and got as far as remastering the album, but Prince nixed the idea. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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So he went from a 10 album deal to a 5 album deal, thanks to the negotiating skill of L. Londell McMillan and because Prince was causing such a stink Warner's wanted rid of him.[/quote]
Gotta correct ya there. The original deal was 100 million, but for 6 albums. And with the release of: Come Black Album The Gold Experience Girl 6 Chaos & Disorder The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale He made that quota. | |
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TheCatWoman said: So, you are speculating to what did NOT happen.
Anyway, I know some of you are here for more than just the music, but for every bit of detail of Prince life and whatever info you can get from it. What amazes me is you put this link up speculating your theory on what did and did NOT happen but yet you tell others to show proof "back up the talk" or stop speculating. [Edited 1/2/06 7:35am] You're the one who came on here saying he'd won $500 million, but have nothing to back up your claim. If you're still confused about what I'm saying, you're simply having trouble following my reasoning. "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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CandaceS said: TheCatWoman said: So, you are speculating to what did NOT happen.
Anyway, I know some of you are here for more than just the music, but for every bit of detail of Prince life and whatever info you can get from it. What amazes me is you put this link up speculating your theory on what did and did NOT happen but yet you tell others to show proof "back up the talk" or stop speculating. [Edited 1/2/06 7:35am] You're the one who came on here saying he'd won $500 million, but have nothing to back up your claim. If you're still confused about what I'm saying, you're simply having trouble following my reasoning. Speaking from a finance back-ground - an amount as large as $500m would be considered a material amount and would have to be declared in the annual financial statements. This would have to be declared irrespective of whether the case went to the courts. So one could check WB published accounts for the last 10 years and verify. More likely, if such a case were brought against WB, which I think is unlikely, then the amounts invloved would have to be immaterial to WB and therefore not disclosed and therefore maybe, somehow, kept secret. | |
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CandaceS said: TheCatWoman said: So, you are speculating to what did NOT happen.
Anyway, I know some of you are here for more than just the music, but for every bit of detail of Prince life and whatever info you can get from it. What amazes me is you put this link up speculating your theory on what did and did NOT happen but yet you tell others to show proof "back up the talk" or stop speculating. [Edited 1/2/06 7:35am] You're the one who came on here saying he'd won $500 million, but have nothing to back up your claim. If you're still confused about what I'm saying, you're simply having trouble following my reasoning. Oh I understand what you're asking of me | |
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metalorange said: poeticrockstar said: But let me ask this, my friends. Do you think that evenutally something will be reached where the catalouge will be remastered? Do you think Prince's CDs should get that same treatment like Madonna, Michael, and Stevie Wonder? Seems like everyone has seen their catalouge remastered but Prince.
What's your take on this? They can't release re-mastered versions without Prince's permission. So again it comes down to Prince. Some people have suggested if Warners is bought out by another record company (EMI has some interest apparently) then perhaps Prince will be more willing to work with new people. Though it could also be that he just won't co-operate until he has finally won back the rights to the masters completely, and it's very unlikely a record company would just hand those over for free. Or it could just be that Prince doen't want to concentrate on his past work, or want too much attention on it when he is trying to release new music. The first I find to be correct, but I find the latter unlikely, because isn't Prince 're-releasing' many of his older tunes on npgmc in mp3-format? Think about that; him releasing the WB stuff on mp3 through NPGMC is a clear indication that WB only 'owns the masters' as far as they could back in the day when he tansferred the rights to them. Back then mp3, digital remasters, dvd's etc. all didn't exist, so he couldn't have transferred those rights to them. On the other hand WB does own the CD, lp and cassette rights, so releasing digital remasters on CD can't happen without WB's permission'either. THAT can be or is the reason why the parties need to work together and why there are no digital remasters, but why Prince IS 're-releasing' his old stuff on npgmc. Or the reason is that the parties ARE working together but in secrecy, as they could have been doing with CB, but which is not very likely. I personally find the most likely reason that Prince owns the 'digital rights' to his old recordings and WB all the other rights, so they do need eachother, but since they are still in dispute nothing really happens, except for some mp3's on NPGMC. And then there is also the issue of the rights of the artists he used to work with, those can also be in dispute. -- [Edited 1/5/06 10:10am] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Shapeshifter said: Abrazo said: If he wants to keep the fans left and if he has to work with WB to give the fans what they want (unreleased recordings and digital remasters) then he better start working with WB and they with him. Well, yes, that would make complete commercial and practical sense, but I don't think Prince has been in the same room with those two since he signed his $100 M with WB. WB apparently wanted to do a big 20th Anniversary reissue of Purple Rain and got as far as remastering the album, but Prince nixed the idea. How sure are you about that? (that it was prince who nixed the idea?) Maybe he liked the idea and negotiated but couldn't come to an agreement with them. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: metalorange said: They can't release re-mastered versions without Prince's permission. So again it comes down to Prince. Some people have suggested if Warners is bought out by another record company (EMI has some interest apparently) then perhaps Prince will be more willing to work with new people. Though it could also be that he just won't co-operate until he has finally won back the rights to the masters completely, and it's very unlikely a record company would just hand those over for free. Or it could just be that Prince doen't want to concentrate on his past work, or want too much attention on it when he is trying to release new music. The first I find to be correct, but I find the latter unlikely, because isn't Prince 're-releasing' many of his older tunes on npgmc in mp3-format? Think about that; him releasing the WB stuff on mp3 through NPGMC is a clear indication that WB only 'owns the masters' as far as they could back in the day when he tansferred the rights to them. Back then mp3, digital remasters, dvd's etc. all didn't exist, so he couldn't have transferred those rights to them. On the other hand WB does own the CD, lp and cassette rights, so releasing digital remasters on CD can't happen without WB's permission'either. THAT can be or is the reason why the parties need to work together and why there are no digital remasters, but why Prince IS 're-releasing' his old stuff on npgmc. Or the reason is that the parties ARE working together but in secrecy, as they could have been doing with CB, but which is not very likely. I personally find the most likely reason that Prince owns the 'digital rights' to his old recordings and WB all the other rights, so they do need eachother, but since they are still in dispute nothing really happens, except for some mp3's on NPGMC. And then there is also the issue of the rights of the artists he used to work with, those can also be in dispute. -- [Edited 1/5/06 10:10am] The older tunes I guess you are referring to are the tracks played in the Reflection room. Technically, they are not available for download or purchase, they play in real-time, which is maybe why Prince can put them on his site. People with a bit of computer know-how know how to get these streaming songs onto their pc, but I think that a blind eye has been taken to that; certainly the 'how to' is not advertised on the site and the vast majority of people wouldn't be aware of how to do it. Plus the songs are deliberately in a very poor standard of sound quality with a bit-rate of only 92. Beyond that, Prince has only put albums up for download for which he owns the rights - the oldest being Crystal Ball, interestingly. None of the Warner controlled albums are up for download - by your argument, Prince would own the 'digital' rights to these and therefore surely he would put them up for download, since it would be sensible for Prince to want his fans to obtain this music through him and bypass Warners and he get the money directly. However, defeating my own argument, the old ahdio shows contained Warner-era songs, so I don't know. | |
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