those you ride

DiamondGirl said:

excuse me, i need to open a window...its a lil steamy in here..

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Meshell has went on record in depth in an L.A. Weekly article a few years back condeming Maverick at the time of Bitter. Madonna even went on record ina public statement stating that Meshell "does not want to be an artist that sells obviously" referring to Meshell's reluctance to play Mavericks popularity game to a "full" extent. So why Mehsell may have had her artistic vision allowed to some point, it was never truly what she wanted 100%, nor was she as happy as a clam there.

And I dont think Prince would have truly messed with her art in ways that he has other artists. Quite simply, many of the people on Paisleys label were incompetant anyways, and not truly artists in a musican sense. Prince had no choice BUT to be in the mix to make a decent product (well, half decent lol).

And a connection with PP and Prince itself would have meant for sure yes that a release by anyone there would almost go unhear, unnoticed, or neglected by the label and WB push. PP was truly a vanity label deep down in many ways. And WB obviously felt that.

To think that Prince would have ruined Meshells career is to detract from her talent as a musican (and Prince's to an extent) that she would never work or be useful in her won on her own after her stint with Prince if it were to have had happened. But I think we get it now(the point of the orignal poster). Prince:bad Meshell:good

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sosgemini said:

You've never heard the term "ride" for an artist? In other words, those one props,likes, defends.


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DiamondGirl said:

cant i have just a lil bit of fun in here?

Aerogram said:

To you it's not Lyrically she blows most people out of the water and on that level she is definitely on par with someone like Prince

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Prince can be a pretty bad lyricist but his best songs are better than hers even on that respect. As for the unqualified genius on par with Prince statement, she'd probably disagree with you herself and not just out of modesty. Prince's shoes may be tiny but they are hard to fill.

In conclusion, I declare you a crazed fanatic.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Meshell has went on record in depth in an L.A. Weekly article a few years back condeming Maverick at the time of Bitter. Madonna even went on record in a public statement stating that Meshell "does not want to be an artist that sells obviously" referring to Meshell's reluctance to play Mavericks popularity game to a "full" extent. So why Meshell may have had her artistic vision allowed to some point, it was never truly what she wanted 100%, nor was she as happy as a clam there.

And I don't think Prince would have truly messed with her art in ways that he has other artists. Quite simply, many of the people on the Paisley label were incompetant anyways, and not truly artists in a musician sense. Prince had no choice BUT to be in the mix to make a decent product (well, half decent lol).

And a connection with PP and Prince itself would have meant for sure, yes, that a release by anyone there would almost go unheard, unnoticed, or neglected by the WB label and WB push. PP was truly a vanity label deep down in many ways. And WB obviously felt that.

To think that Prince would have ruined Meshell's career is to detract from her talent as a musican(and Prince's to an extent) that she would never work or be useful in her own, on her own, after her stint with Prince if it were to have had happened. But I think we get it now (the point of the orignal poster). Prince:bad Meshell:good

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DiamondGirl said:

Well said. What is the point of talking about what MIGHT have been anyway? I'm much more interested in what they are capable of creating today! I love Me'Shell's music. Her points went up even more since discovering that she had a hand in 'The Love We Make'.

Regardless of what people think Prince might have done with her career, she has not been happy with Maverick for quite sometime. They have little faith in her which is fucked up considering her talent. I don't see that any other Maverick artists are more deserving of recognition over Meshell. They might know how to play the business game better than her, but its not like their music is better. She shouldn't be punished for trying to stay true to herself.
Am I the only one that thinks 'Comfort Woman' was highly slept on? The funny thing is, that album received tons of great reviews.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

all labels do that. It happened to Prince many times, it happened to Madonna most recently on American Life it happened to Janet. its part of the business

Aerogram said:

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Co-Sign (LOL)

Meshell is, at least, his equal as a musician and surpasses him as a writer (both have had good touches from Wendy & Lisa).

Meshell is, at least, his equal as a musician and surpasses him as a writer (both have had good touches from Wendy & Lisa).

Also, he would get credit for "secretly" writing her work.

ThreadBare said:

- Hmm...Me shell is one of my fave musicians and I loved her albums, especially the first ones...an amazing bass player and very good singer, but I don´t think she has the same impact and originality that Prince had as a songwriter.

GustavoRibas said:

I heartily disagree. She writes wonderfully, plays wonderfully, can sing and rap convincingly. She debuted as a bald, bisexual, musically tough rapper/singer who sang unapologetically about black life and love. I cannot think of another singer out there since her debut who has been as singular a talent. I see her being very much in the category of Prince. Perhaps even better, because so less of her persona seems an affectation.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Don't get me wrong, I think she did the right thing by not signing with Paisley. I don't think she would have gotten as much exposure as she had already gotten. It ain't safe to say that Prince would've ruined her when Madonna didn't expose her to the masses like she deserved. Besides... isn't the reason she left the Maverick/Warner fold is because they wouldn't release Dance of the Infidel when she recorded it 2 years ago? That doesn't sound like she was allowed to "flourish"

Let's not forget there have been a handful of albums that were on Paisley Park that Prince had very little to do with:

Good Question
Three O' Clock
Dale - Riot In English
Eric Leeds - Things Left Unsaid
Jacob Armen - Drum Fever
Belize (not released but Prince had no input)

I think had she signed with Prince her downfall would have been through the demise of Paisley Park Records, not solely through the restrictive production of Prince.