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PrintableSupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: laurarichardson said: ----- Well that is just your opinion (LOL) She has done a great job ruining her own career. After getting off to a great start. How exactly has she ruined her career? ----- I am not saying everything has to have widespread appeal or be commercial. I understand an artist just doing music because that is what they want to do. However, Me'Shell has taken are music from being creative and entertaining to the level of being totally out of touch with the mainstream. Some of the stuff on Bitter is plain depressing and I only like a few cuts on her last CD. I yes I enjoy a wide range of music. Just don't see how she is going to be able to continue to make it as a recording artist if she keeps going in the direction she is going. | |
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laurarichardson said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: How exactly has she ruined her career? ----- I am not saying everything has to have widespread appeal or be commercial. I understand an artist just doing music because that is what they want to do. However, Me'Shell has taken are music from being creative and entertaining to the level of being totally out of touch with the mainstream. Some of the stuff on Bitter is plain depressing and I only like a few cuts on her last CD. I yes I enjoy a wide range of music. Just don't see how she is going to be able to continue to make it as a recording artist if she keeps going in the direction she is going. she seems to be doing just fine dont you think? and her fans seem to be happy with her musical direction. during her tour last year she announced she would not be singing and offered a refund to anyone who might be upset. nobody was and everyone was on their feet by the end of her show. and just who is in touch with the mainstream market? madonna? britney? ashley simpson? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: laurarichardson said: ----- I am not saying everything has to have widespread appeal or be commercial. I understand an artist just doing music because that is what they want to do. However, Me'Shell has taken are music from being creative and entertaining to the level of being totally out of touch with the mainstream. Some of the stuff on Bitter is plain depressing and I only like a few cuts on her last CD. I yes I enjoy a wide range of music. Just don't see how she is going to be able to continue to make it as a recording artist if she keeps going in the direction she is going. she seems to be doing just fine dont you think? and her fans seem to be happy with her musical direction. during her tour last year she announced she would not be singing and offered a refund to anyone who might be upset. nobody was and everyone was on their feet by the end of her show. and just who is in touch with the mainstream market? madonna? britney? ashley simpson? ----- She may be doing fine on the concert circuit but no record sales. It is interesting that people praise Me'Shell when she plays small venus and does not do her best material in concert. P did this on "One Night Alone Tour and you so called fans were having a shit fit. People on this board have complained about her turning her back to the audience. Not Cool | |
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: she seems to be doing just fine dont you think? and her fans seem to be happy with her musical direction. during her tour last year she announced she would not be singing and offered a refund to anyone who might be upset. nobody was and everyone was on their feet by the end of her show. and just who is in touch with the mainstream market? madonna? britney? ashley simpson? ----- She may be doing fine on the concert circuit but no record sales. It is interesting that people praise Me'Shell when she plays small venus and does not do her best material in concert. P did this on "One Night Alone Tour and you so called fans were having a shit fit. People on this board have complained about her turning her back to the audience. Not Cool Excellent points LR. | |
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: she seems to be doing just fine dont you think? and her fans seem to be happy with her musical direction. during her tour last year she announced she would not be singing and offered a refund to anyone who might be upset. nobody was and everyone was on their feet by the end of her show. and just who is in touch with the mainstream market? madonna? britney? ashley simpson? ----- She may be doing fine on the concert circuit but no record sales. It is interesting that people praise Me'Shell when she plays small venus and does not do her best material in concert. P did this on "One Night Alone Tour and you so called fans were having a shit fit. People on this board have complained about her turning her back to the audience. Not Cool I would like to know who these complainers were. I have been to 5 performances and she has never once did anything along those lines. She has always been interactive and very respectful of her fans. Even meeting her in person at for the release of Comfort woman, she was humble and open. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Seems like there's a few artists out there that seems to manage a long career without being "mainstream". I swear folks on this site lose it with the thought of another tori amos cd or lawd...let Kate bush come out with something. Meshell has her fanbase and I think she'll be aight. Some ppl don't want to be STARS/Celebrities. Some just want to play their music. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: laurarichardson said: ----- She may be doing fine on the concert circuit but no record sales. It is interesting that people praise Me'Shell when she plays small venus and does not do her best material in concert. P did this on "One Night Alone Tour and you so called fans were having a shit fit. People on this board have complained about her turning her back to the audience. Not Cool I would like to know who these complainers were. I have been to 5 performances and she has never once did anything along those lines. She has always been interactive and very respectful of her fans. Even meeting her in person at for the release of Comfort woman, she was humble and open. i'd like to know who those complainers of ONA Tour are..because I declared it one of my all time best prince live experiences ever. making general blanket statements to defend your own "opinion" is very prince.org v2. and i've complained about her concert "tude" at times..but that hasnt reared its ugly head in years. she has been on her best before ever since the cookie shows i saw. Space for sale... | |
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Seems like there's a few artists out there that seems to manage a long career without being "mainstream". I swear folks on this site lose it with the thought of another tori amos cd or lawd...let Kate bush come out with something. 
Meshell has her fanbase and I think she'll be aight. Some ppl don't want to be STARS/Celebrities. Some just want to play their music. ...very well said.. | |
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3121 said: recommend me som of this womans albums or at least just a handful of tracks to illuminate her talents to me.
try "bitter". i think it's GREAT!!!! http://www.meshell.com/ "When we're kissing long and hard
I can almost taste the thoughts within your mind Sex-related fantasy is all that my mind can see Baby, that's honestly the way I feel" ~prince | |
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3121 said: recommend me som of this womans albums or at least just a handful of tracks to illuminate her talents to me.
If you want a good introduction ... locate these tracks From Plantation Lullabies: Step Into the Projects 2 Lonely Hearts on the Subway From Peace Beyond Passion: Leviticus: Faggot Bittersweet From Bitter: Fool Of Me Satisfy Loyalty From Cookie: The Anthropological Mixtape: Earth Jabril From Comfort Woman: Come Smoke My Herb Love Song # 3 From Dance of the Infidel: Aquarium | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: psykosoul said: Ruined is a strong word when Me'Shell didn't even become a household name when she was under Madonna's umbrella. Like every other serious musician in Prince's camp she would've enjoyed some kind of success as a session musician for other artist.... it happened for Wendy & Lisa (beyond Revolution days), happened for Sheila (after she left the Paisley camp).
It would be even better if they collaborated now. Whether or not she became a household name under Maverick is really irrelevant. She was allowed to flourish in her own way on Maverick and Prince would have strangled her to death and played head games and ego trips on her ass. [snipped] Ok this is some bs. She's had problems with Maverick going back to 1996. From her interview with Robert Hilburn in '99 - "Checking in with Meshell Ndegeocello" Question: Let's go back to 1996 when you said you might not make records anymore. Why were you so disilliusioned? Meshell: My record label was not supportive at all. Unfortunately, I think you make music from an artistic place in your soul. I just try to write whi I feel, and that's not what [the record business] is about anymore. It's all about singles and numbers and how much you sell, ...and that was just confusing to me. Question: Do you still feel frustrated with the record business? Meshell: Yes, I trying, but I'm really hoping to move from [Maverick] to go somewhere that understands me a little more. I handed in this record and they were like "I don't hear any single. You aren't going to sell any records." That's not too supportive. From her interview with Tom Moon of the Philadelphia Inquirer: "The label would rather me do Janet Jackson tunes....It's a battle against the whole stereotype of what kind of music African Americans make... I'll probably be dropped for [going against] that, but I'm, 30 years old. Am I going to be writing Backstreet Boys tunes? They wonder why there's noting for people 25 and older. Well it's because the industry is so focused on that one audience." When she turned Bitter in, she was told by Maverick that it would be a tough sell. "the general manager told me it needed a single. He wanted me to do something with someone famous. I was like, you don't just put a Post-it note on an alubm that's already done..." . [Edited 12/22/05 13:31pm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Whether or not she became a household name under Maverick is really irrelevant. She was allowed to flourish in her own way on Maverick and Prince would have strangled her to death and played head games and ego trips on her ass. [snipped] Ok this is some bs. She's had problems with Maverick going back to 1996. From her interview with Robert Hilburn in '99 - "Checking in with Meshell Ndegeocello" Question: Let's go back to 1996 when you said you might not make records anymore. Why were you so disilliusioned? Meshell: My record label was not supportive at all. Unfortunately, I think you make music from an artistic place in your soul. I just try to write whi I feel, and that's not what [the record business] is about anymore. It's all about singles and numbers and how much you sell, ...and that was just confusing to me. Question: Do you still feel frustrated with the record business? Meshell: Yes, I trying, but I'm really hoping to move from [Maverick] to go somewhere that understands me a little more. I handed in this record and they were like "I don't hear any single. You aren't going to see any records." That's not too supportive. From her interview with Tom Moon of the Philadelphia Inquirer: "The label would rather me do Janet Jackson tunes....It's a battle against the whole stereotype of what kind of music African Americans make... I'll probably be dropped for [going against] that, but I'm, 30 years old. Am I going to be writing Backstreet Boys tunes? They wonder why there's noting for people 25 and older. Well it's because the industry is so focused on that one audience." When she turned Bitter in, she was told by Maverick that it would be a tough sell. "the general manager told me it needed a single. He wanted me to do something with someone famous. I was like, you don't just put a Post-it note on an alubm that's already done..." Her problems with the label are miniscule to the problems she would have had as an artist on the Paisley label  And the bottom line is that she was able to release all these uncompromised fantastic albums.
. [Edited 12/21/05 16:19pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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prince would have mucked up her vision. he can't just let anyone be and support them. he has to get his fingers in it and make it "his". plus, anyone who works too much with prince gets the stigma of being a "prince protegee", and the mainstream public would just think of her as one of his campy little nymphettes, which we all know would be far from her true potential. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Ok this is some bs. She's had problems with Maverick going back to 1996. From her interview with Robert Hilburn in '99 - "Checking in with Meshell Ndegeocello" Question: Let's go back to 1996 when you said you might not make records anymore. Why were you so disilliusioned? Meshell: My record label was not supportive at all. Unfortunately, I think you make music from an artistic place in your soul. I just try to write whi I feel, and that's not what [the record business] is about anymore. It's all about singles and numbers and how much you sell, ...and that was just confusing to me. Question: Do you still feel frustrated with the record business? Meshell: Yes, I trying, but I'm really hoping to move from [Maverick] to go somewhere that understands me a little more. I handed in this record and they were like "I don't hear any single. You aren't going to see any records." That's not too supportive. From her interview with Tom Moon of the Philadelphia Inquirer: "The label would rather me do Janet Jackson tunes....It's a battle against the whole stereotype of what kind of music African Americans make... I'll probably be dropped for [going against] that, but I'm, 30 years old. Am I going to be writing Backstreet Boys tunes? They wonder why there's noting for people 25 and older. Well it's because the industry is so focused on that one audience." When she turned Bitter in, she was told by Maverick that it would be a tough sell. "the general manager told me it needed a single. He wanted me to do something with someone famous. I was like, you don't just put a Post-it note on an alubm that's already done..." Her problems with the label are miniscule to the problems she would have had as an artist on the Paisley label And the bottom line is that she was able to release all these uncompromised fantastic albums.
. Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Her problems with the label are miniscule to the problems she would have had as an artist on the Paisley label And the bottom line is that she was able to release all these uncompromised fantastic albums.
. Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. Oh Boo hoo. Go rain on someone else's parade. As a musical experience, the artistic vision is very much intact on that album. It's no sellout to the corporate machine. . [Edited 12/21/05 16:49pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Her problems with the label are miniscule to the problems she would have had as an artist on the Paisley label And the bottom line is that she was able to release all these uncompromised fantastic albums.
. Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. DAMN! I wondered what happed to Gamson because overall he and Me'Shell had the best chemistry IMO. Did they not remain friends? I know Me'Shell appeared on a few Scritti Politti tracks in 99 but he never returned the favor.  | |
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She seemed pretty happy with the outcome of Bitter. She performed the whole album a few months before it's release and she talked about how personal it was for her and that she hoped her fans would be able to accept the departure. She didn't complain about the material but whipped our asses with it. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. Oh Boo hoo. Go rain on someone else's parade. As a musical experience, the artistic vision is very much intact on that album. It's no sellout to the corporate machine. . [Edited 12/21/05 16:49pm] ----- So the truth to you is someone raining on your Parade.(LOL) | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I would like to know who these complainers were. I have been to 5 performances and she has never once did anything along those lines. She has always been interactive and very respectful of her fans. Even meeting her in person at for the release of Comfort woman, she was humble and open. i'd like to know who those complainers of ONA Tour are..because I declared it one of my all time best prince live experiences ever. making general blanket statements to defend your own "opinion" is very prince.org v2. and i've complained about her concert "tude" at times..but that hasnt reared its ugly head in years. she has been on her best before ever since the cookie shows i saw. ----- Plenty of people on this board ragged on those shows and the Rainbow Children. Of course that is the norm on this board to rip the new P product to shreads and then years later it was greatest think since chesse and no one can recall the negativity back at the begining. | |
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Rhondab said:
Seems like there's a few artists out there that seems to manage a long career without being "mainstream". I swear folks on this site lose it with the thought of another tori amos cd or lawd...let Kate bush come out with something. Meshell has her fanbase and I think she'll be aight. Some ppl don't want to be STARS/Celebrities. Some just want to play their music. ----- Well you could be right. Maybe Me'Shell does not want to be mainstream and if that make are happy then great. | |
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laurarichardson said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Oh Boo hoo. Go rain on someone else's parade. As a musical experience, the artistic vision is very much intact on that album. It's no sellout to the corporate machine. . [Edited 12/21/05 16:49pm] ----- So the truth to you is someone raining on your Parade.(LOL) No. This person wants to badly for there to be the situation that she had so much trouble with the label that she was unable to release solid, uncompromised albums with artistic vision. She may not have had a perfect ride, but she sure did what she wanted to do and never ever released manufactured crap to make the fickle public and the record company happy. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: laurarichardson said: ----- So the truth to you is someone raining on your Parade.(LOL) No. This person wants to badly for there to be the situation that she had so much trouble with the label that she was unable to release solid, uncompromised albums with artistic vision. She may not have had a perfect ride, but she sure did what she wanted to do and never ever released manufactured crap to make the fickle public and the record company happy. well, almost..she did release that horrid Pocketbook remix.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: No. This person wants to badly for there to be the situation that she had so much trouble with the label that she was unable to release solid, uncompromised albums with artistic vision. She may not have had a perfect ride, but she sure did what she wanted to do and never ever released manufactured crap to make the fickle public and the record company happy. well, almost..she did release that horrid Pocketbook remix. At least it was a hidden track!  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. Oh Boo hoo. Go rain on someone else's parade. As a musical experience, the artistic vision is very much intact on that album. It's no sellout to the corporate machine. . Hey buddy don't don't take it personally. I'm just pointing out that Maverick was not as artist friendly as you think they were and Meshell did indeed have problems with them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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psykosoul said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Actually all of the albums were not uncompromised. David Gamson (who was her best friend and producer on her first two albums) was booted off the "Bitter" project by Maverick after production had started. Meshell and Gamson turned in some tracks that the record label didn't like becuase they [Maverick] didn't get the musical direction she was going in. DAMN! I wondered what happed to Gamson because overall he and Me'Shell had the best chemistry IMO. Did they not remain friends? I know Me'Shell appeared on a few Scritti Politti tracks in 99 but he never returned the favor. I'm not sure what toll this had on her relationship with David Gamson. I would assume they remained friends though since it was Maverick that removed him from the Bitter project. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Oh Boo hoo. Go rain on someone else's parade. As a musical experience, the artistic vision is very much intact on that album. It's no sellout to the corporate machine. . Hey buddy don't don't take it personally. I'm just pointing out that Maverick was not as artist friendly as you think they were and Meshell did indeed have problems with them. Meshell has went on record in depth in an L.A. Weekly article a few years back condeming Maverick at the time of Bitter. Madonna even went on record in a public statement stating that Meshell "does not want to be an artist that sells obviously" referring to Meshell's reluctance to play Mavericks popularity game to a "full" extent. So why Meshell may have had her artistic vision allowed to some point, it was never truly what she wanted 100%, nor was she as happy as a clam there. And I don't think Prince would have truly messed with her art in ways that he has other artists. Quite simply, many of the people on the Paisley label were incompetant anyways, and not truly artists in a musician sense. Prince had no choice BUT to be in the mix to make a decent product (well, half decent lol). And a connection with PP and Prince itself would have meant for sure, yes, that a release by anyone there would almost go unheard, unnoticed, or neglected by the WB label and WB push. PP was truly a vanity label deep down in many ways. And WB obviously felt that. To think that Prince would have ruined Meshell's career is to detract from her talent as a musican(and Prince's to an extent) that she would never work or be useful in her own, on her own, after her stint with Prince if it were to have had happened. But I think we get it now (the point of the orignal poster). Prince:bad Meshell:good . [Edited 12/22/05 21:22pm] | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: laurarichardson said: ----- So the truth to you is someone raining on your Parade.(LOL) No. This person wants to badly for there to be the situation that she had so much trouble with the label that she was unable to release solid, uncompromised albums with artistic vision. She may not have had a perfect ride, but she sure did what she wanted to do and never ever released manufactured crap to make the fickle public and the record company happy. Hey I just reprinted her comments of what went on. This is what she said about her experience with Maverick. I don't "want badly for there to be any kind of situation" because I don't have any vested interest in Meshell's career. I just like some of her music ... nothing more, nothing less. 
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DiamondGirl said: But I think we get it now(the point of the orignal poster). Prince:bad Meshell:good
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psykosoul said: DiamondGirl said: But I think we get it now(the point of the orignal poster). Prince:bad Meshell:good
Not exactly. Prince business sense = bad, Me'shells art = good. What i've said is true and you all know it  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: psykosoul said: Not exactly. Prince business sense = bad, Me'shells art = good. What i've said is true and you all know it Dude.Seriously. Get over yourself.Talk about biased. What the hell happened to you in the last few years? "What i've said is true and you all know it " "go rain on sonmeone elses parade".
Um...okayyyy. Everyone put your hands on your ears and go "la la la I can't hear you!"
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