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Reply #90 posted 12/19/05 10:59am

Shorty

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MickG said:

Shorty said:



I don't make a habit of prentending to know how or what god feels... not a good practice imho.


you don't have to pretend if that is your choice.


true, sorry...didn't mean to interupt in the land of make believe....carry on.
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #91 posted 12/19/05 11:34am

prettymansson

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Maybe it's just that he Changes his Mind.. We all can be Fickle and Changeable . I Certainly Am.... Maybe it isn't a Consious thing or he just doesn't feel good all the time . He is Trying to Please and do alot and sometimes it's Impossible... It's Not always Black and White in Situations sometimes it's in the Middle. And I don't know cause maybe one day ya like something..Next day Hate it... I feel that way sometimes. Ya feel Insecure cause ya OVERJUDGE Yourself.


Aint that the truth hmmm
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Reply #92 posted 12/19/05 11:51am

TheCatWoman

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seems to me at some point you believed every single thing Prince ever said or did..you were a complete Prince freak...and proud of it. smile
then...as you got a lil older and wiser...and found out more and more info on the internet you started to feel duped....silly for believing him and defending him on all his positions he's claimed to have. And now you're pissed. Pissed at him because he made you believe all that crap! What a liar! what a hypocrite! What a Jerk! When what it boils down to is, your own idol worship had you blinded for a while and now you see the era of your ways but can not accept your own roll in it and instead lash out at the one you love the most. (Prince)
ehh...don't sweat it girl...I think we've all been there or will be at some point....the key is to not be bitter, but to learn from it. smile good luck!

ofcourse...I could be wrong shrug



hmm .. I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I just like bitch'n. Don't take what I say so personal Fam biggrin ..

I am fairly new, at least compared to the rest of ya'll and I am just going by what I see, and what I hear biggrin

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Reply #93 posted 12/19/05 11:51am

MickG

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prettymansson said:

Zelaira said:

Maybe it's just that he Changes his Mind.. We all can be Fickle and Changeable . I Certainly Am.... Maybe it isn't a Consious thing or he just doesn't feel good all the time . He is Trying to Please and do alot and sometimes it's Impossible... It's Not always Black and White in Situations sometimes it's in the Middle. And I don't know cause maybe one day ya like something..Next day Hate it... I feel that way sometimes. Ya feel Insecure cause ya OVERJUDGE Yourself.


Aint that the truth hmmm


it isn't my truth. Knowing your true self, understanding your soul, leads to understanding your place in the space that is this world. You never need fly by night, you don't have to obsess one day over how much you "want" something, only to change your mind the next day.

I say: change your mind. in the context of reshaping the knowledge that is you. know yourself so that you don't have to keep "changing your mind" when you make a "bad choice".
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #94 posted 12/19/05 11:55am

TheCatWoman

MickG said:

Anji said:



Y r u so CONcerned with what other people do?
If others 'hang on', y does it CONcern u?

love


prince says: if the world catches on fire, there is water enough for all to be found at this land mass. When the people go to that land mass, because the world is on fire, they find he was lying. He should take personal responcability for the position given to him by god. He needs take personal responcability for his work and his lies.




confused SO TRUE!
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Reply #95 posted 12/19/05 11:55am

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TheCatWoman said:

MickG said:



prince says: if the world catches on fire, there is water enough for all to be found at this land mass. When the people go to that land mass, because the world is on fire, they find he was lying. He should take personal responcability for the position given to him by god. He needs take personal responcability for his work and his lies.




confused SO TRUE!


yes I am obsessivly good at that truth thing.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #96 posted 12/19/05 11:57am

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MickG said:[quote]

prettymansson said:



it isn't my truth. Knowing your true self, understanding your soul, leads to understanding your place in the space that is this world. You never need fly by night, you don't have to obsess one day over how much you "want" something, only to change your mind the next day.

I say: change your mind. in the context of reshaping the knowledge that is you. know yourself so that you don't have to keep "changing your mind" when you make a "bad choice".


Are you just picking random words here ??

From your profile you say your not a Prince fan ? Again I'm confused ?
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #97 posted 12/19/05 12:01pm

MickG

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pepper7 said:

MickG said:

it isn't my truth. Knowing your true self, understanding your soul, leads to understanding your place in the space that is this world. You never need fly by night, you don't have to obsess one day over how much you "want" something, only to change your mind the next day.

I say: change your mind. in the context of reshaping the knowledge that is you. know yourself so that you don't have to keep "changing your mind" when you make a "bad choice".


Are you just picking random words here ??

From your profile you say your not a Prince fan ? Again I'm confused ?


let go of your "understanding" of words, and understand my meaning.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #98 posted 12/19/05 12:01pm

TheCatWoman

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MickG said:



prince says: if the world catches on fire, there is water enough for all to be found at this land mass. When the people go to that land mass, because the world is on fire, they find he was lying. He should take personal responcability for the position given to him by god. He needs take personal responcability for his work and his lies.


I am completely lost to this thread at this moment in time ?

Is there something I've missed ? What is Prince's position given to him by God ?

I'm getting really confused here ?




Prince has been blessed with a gift and with that (gift) blessing he should use it to benifit his beliefs if they are true as he claims.. His love for God.
God says "you are either with me or without me" there are no this and thats. Just this or that. biggrin
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Reply #99 posted 12/19/05 12:03pm

TheCatWoman

Shorty said:

MickG said:



prince says: if the world catches on fire, there is water enough for all to be found at this land mass. When the people go to that land mass, because the world is on fire, they find he was lying. He should take personal responcability for the position given to him by god. He needs take personal responcability for his work and his lies.


I think your example is a bit much...to say the least. The world is not on fire and if it were..it isn't up to prince to lead the rats to safety. Any one looking to prince for advice when the world is a blaze...well, good luck to them. neutral



But this is not true. Prince put himself in this position when he starting passing out "WatchTower" magazine. When he started publically announcing his belief in his religion. When he started witnessing.
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Reply #100 posted 12/19/05 12:04pm

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TheCatWoman said:

pepper7 said:



I am completely lost to this thread at this moment in time ?

Is there something I've missed ? What is Prince's position given to him by God ?

I'm getting really confused here ?




Prince has been blessed with a gift and with that (gift) blessing he should use it to benifit his beliefs if they are true as he claims.. His love for God.
God says "you are either with me or without me" there are no this and thats. Just this or that. biggrin


Okay, who the hell are you? biggrin Jusk kidding, keep it to yourself. I do however believe I will see you there that day. I will be glad to shake you paw.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #101 posted 12/19/05 12:07pm

TheCatWoman

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confused SO TRUE!


yes I am obsessivly good at that truth thing.



lol
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Reply #102 posted 12/19/05 1:06pm

Shorty

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TheCatWoman said:

Shorty said:

seems to me at some point you believed every single thing Prince ever said or did..you were a complete Prince freak...and proud of it. smile
then...as you got a lil older and wiser...and found out more and more info on the internet you started to feel duped....silly for believing him and defending him on all his positions he's claimed to have. And now you're pissed. Pissed at him because he made you believe all that crap! What a liar! what a hypocrite! What a Jerk! When what it boils down to is, your own idol worship had you blinded for a while and now you see the era of your ways but can not accept your own roll in it and instead lash out at the one you love the most. (Prince)
ehh...don't sweat it girl...I think we've all been there or will be at some point....the key is to not be bitter, but to learn from it. smile good luck!

ofcourse...I could be wrong shrug



hmm .. I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I just like bitch'n. Don't take what I say so personal Fam biggrin ..

I am fairly new, at least compared to the rest of ya'll and I am just going by what I see, and what I hear biggrin

Chillax girlfriend and embrace a new fan wink


no...I don't have you mixed up with someone else....that was just my guess...like I said...I could be wrong. Worry not my friend I've taken no words you say personally...now why would I? No need to sling "fam" at me as if it's the dirtiest word you could come up with. lol oh..I'm "chillaxed" lol girlfriend...don't you worry your pretty lil head about that. Takes a lot more than that to get this old pro going.
try not to take all the things Prince says so personally....you'll be less bitter that way. razz
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #103 posted 12/19/05 1:07pm

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TheCatWoman said:

pepper7 said:



I am completely lost to this thread at this moment in time ?

Is there something I've missed ? What is Prince's position given to him by God ?

I'm getting really confused here ?




Prince has been blessed with a gift and with that (gift) blessing he should use it to benifit his beliefs if they are true as he claims.. His love for God.
God says "you are either with me or without me" there are no this and thats. Just this or that. biggrin


Has he ? What gift ? When did God say 'You are either with me or without me'

Sounds more like a football team chant to me !!

Strange thing for God (whoever he is )to say...
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #104 posted 12/19/05 1:08pm

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MickG said:

pepper7 said:



Are you just picking random words here ??

From your profile you say your not a Prince fan ? Again I'm confused ?


let go of your "understanding" of words, and understand my meaning.


In what way do I let go the understanding or words ? What shall I replace my understanding with ?

What do you mean be "understand my meaning" ?

I don't get it .
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #105 posted 12/19/05 1:10pm

Shorty

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TheCatWoman said:

Shorty said:



I think your example is a bit much...to say the least. The world is not on fire and if it were..it isn't up to prince to lead the rats to safety. Any one looking to prince for advice when the world is a blaze...well, good luck to them. neutral



But this is not true. Prince put himself in this position when he starting passing out "WatchTower" magazine. When he started publically announcing his belief in his religion. When he started witnessing.


but what's not true?
Prince put himself in what position?
He could publicly broadcast his religious beliefs if he wanted to...that doesn't make him obligated to do shit.
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #106 posted 12/19/05 1:14pm

TheCatWoman

Shorty said:

TheCatWoman said:




hmm .. I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I just like bitch'n. Don't take what I say so personal Fam biggrin ..

I am fairly new, at least compared to the rest of ya'll and I am just going by what I see, and what I hear biggrin

Chillax girlfriend and embrace a new fan wink


no...I don't have you mixed up with someone else....that was just my guess...like I said...I could be wrong. Worry not my friend I've taken no words you say personally...now why would I? No need to sling "fam" at me as if it's the dirtiest word you could come up with. lol oh..I'm "chillaxed" lol girlfriend...don't you worry your pretty lil head about that. Takes a lot more than that to get this old pro going.
try not to take all the things Prince says so personally....you'll be less bitter that way. razz


hmm alrightythen
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Reply #107 posted 12/19/05 6:35pm

MickG

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pepper7 said:

MickG said:



let go of your "understanding" of words, and understand my meaning.


In what way do I let go the understanding or words ? What shall I replace my understanding with ?

What do you mean be "understand my meaning" ?

I don't get it .


What would the thoughts in your head sound like if you never learn a human language?
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #108 posted 12/19/05 6:44pm

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MickG said:

pepper7 said:



In what way do I let go the understanding or words ? What shall I replace my understanding with ?

What do you mean be "understand my meaning" ?

I don't get it .


What would the thoughts in your head sound like if you never learn a human language?


Yep you got me there.

But we do have words and they do have meaning. They HAVE been created by the thoughts in my head.

If they take on different meanings then they will just be different words.

A word is just a sophisticated sound. No more than moan or grunt.

We use words to understand other peoples thoughts and feelings.

If you use words then they ARE what you are saying.

Maybe I will undersatand you, maybe I won't.

Eevryone interprets things in their own way.

There is no right or wrong.
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #109 posted 12/19/05 7:00pm

Zelaira

You can Call him Anything you Want to. If he was TOTALLY FOOLING US By being HOMOSEXUAL and IN The cLOSET..I WOULDN'T Care..I'll AlWAYS LOVE HIM,DESIRE HIM, And Be a HUGE FAN.....He is and ALWAYS WILL B MY FAVORITE... biggrin
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Reply #110 posted 12/19/05 7:10pm

Nothinbutjoy

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Illustrator said:

You gotta use glitter to make look like gold.
F'rinstance;

He's not a hyporcrite; he's a Gemini.
He's not contradictory; he's complex.



falloff I LOVE THIS!!!
I'm firmly planted in denial
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Reply #111 posted 12/19/05 7:22pm

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Musicology taught him that big labels make you big bucks.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #112 posted 12/19/05 7:23pm

MickG

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pepper7 said:

MickG said:



What would the thoughts in your head sound like if you never learn a human language?


Yep you got me there.

But we do have words and they do have meaning. They HAVE been created by the thoughts in my head.

If they take on different meanings then they will just be different words.

A word is just a sophisticated sound. No more than moan or grunt.

We use words to understand other peoples thoughts and feelings.

If you use words then they ARE what you are saying.

Maybe I will undersatand you, maybe I won't.

Eevryone interprets things in their own way.

There is no right or wrong.


You both suport what I have said while trying to deny it. You state words Do have meaning and then you state the fact that words are MeanIngLess due to the interpretitive power of personal baises.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #113 posted 12/20/05 4:23am

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MickG said:

pepper7 said:



Yep you got me there.

But we do have words and they do have meaning. They HAVE been created by the thoughts in my head.

If they take on different meanings then they will just be different words.

A word is just a sophisticated sound. No more than moan or grunt.

We use words to understand other peoples thoughts and feelings.

If you use words then they ARE what you are saying.

Maybe I will undersatand you, maybe I won't.

Eevryone interprets things in their own way.

There is no right or wrong.


You both suport what I have said while trying to deny it. You state words Do have meaning and then you state the fact that words are MeanIngLess due to the interpretitive power of personal baises.


No words are NOT meaningless if you assign a meaning to them.

It is the meaning you attach. If you want to think the word "frog" means whatever it's up to you. You are changing its meaning. It's not meaningless.

The word HAS been created for a meaning.

Also YOU still haven't answered any of MY questions.

I think all this talk about words is just a way for you to wriggle out of them.

So "You are with me or against me" has no meaning or understanding for you? Then why say it ?

I think you need to think somemore because your argument is very weak.
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #114 posted 12/20/05 11:57am

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pepper7 said:

MickG said:



You both suport what I have said while trying to deny it. You state words Do have meaning and then you state the fact that words are MeanIngLess due to the interpretitive power of personal baises.


No words are NOT meaningless if you assign a meaning to them.

It is the meaning you attach. If you want to think the word "frog" means whatever it's up to you. You are changing its meaning. It's not meaningless.

The word HAS been created for a meaning.

Also YOU still haven't answered any of MY questions.

I think all this talk about words is just a way for you to wriggle out of them.

So "You are with me or against me" has no meaning or understanding for you? Then why say it ?

I think you need to think somemore because your argument is very weak.


My argument isn't weak at all, it is only how you choose to percieve it. Words are hopefully used for communication. It doesn't matter what personalized "meaning" you want to associate with the words. If you are unable to transfer understanding with your use of words then the attempt is useless. It achieves nothing. Words are meaningless because biases stop others from fully understanding others meanings more often. Just like your argument of my "very weak" words. Do you really belive that shit you be throwing at me. To me that is a very weak statement. Those words are meaninless.

Truely only like minded and like caused singles can become more then a single with words that are there to unite.

Try posting only your "question" and maybe try refrasing it please.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #115 posted 12/20/05 4:45pm

roodboi

Who's Prince?
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Reply #116 posted 12/20/05 5:24pm

MickG

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Who's Prince?


what a good question. I don't even think Prince knows the answer to that question.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #117 posted 12/20/05 5:25pm

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MickG said:

pepper7 said:



No words are NOT meaningless if you assign a meaning to them.

It is the meaning you attach. If you want to think the word "frog" means whatever it's up to you. You are changing its meaning. It's not meaningless.

The word HAS been created for a meaning.

Also YOU still haven't answered any of MY questions.

I think all this talk about words is just a way for you to wriggle out of them.

So "You are with me or against me" has no meaning or understanding for you? Then why say it ?

I think you need to think somemore because your argument is very weak.


My argument isn't weak at all, it is only how you choose to percieve it. Words are hopefully used for communication. It doesn't matter what personalized "meaning" you want to associate with the words. If you are unable to transfer understanding with your use of words then the attempt is useless. It achieves nothing. Words are meaningless because biases stop others from fully understanding others meanings more often. Just like your argument of my "very weak" words. Do you really belive that shit you be throwing at me. To me that is a very weak statement. Those words are meaninless.

Truely only like minded and like caused singles can become more then a single with words that are there to unite.

Try posting only your "question" and maybe try refrasing it please.


Look at my earlier posts. It's up to you.

If you can't answer my questions then there is nothing I can do.

Maybe you are just not able to answer the questions, so you are now pretending to not understand me.

Yet another good way to wriggle out of a question.

You just answer a question with a question...!
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #118 posted 12/20/05 6:11pm

MickG

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Look at my earlier posts. It's up to you.

If you can't answer my questions then there is nothing I can do.

Maybe you are just not able to answer the questions, so you are now pretending to not understand me.

Yet another good way to wriggle out of a question.

You just answer a question with a question...!


I scrolled all the way back. I have seen several question by you unanswered because they are just posed to lead the conversation in a direction. The only question I seen that was actually a full fledge question was something like:

"Am I just getting confused?" and so to that question you asked I would respond

I would have to guess yes.
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #119 posted 12/20/05 7:30pm

chunky

this is too politics and religion
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