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PrintableNeversin said: poeticrockstar said: The reality is the people that knock "Musicology" will be the same folks who will call it a classic in 10 years.
That's what people said about people who knockeed "Emancipation" too, but in all reality "Emancipation" just got worse, we're almost 10 years later and now that album not only sounds crap it sounds dated on top of it... Neversin. LMAO!! You know, I *do* actually remember people saying that about Emancipation, but you're right, it sounds even worse today than it did then. I remember 'Joint 2 Joint' being the track that a lot of people said 'he still had it' and how amazing it was - probably because it went through a few phases and was long -- I never really liked it myself, and since then a lot of his stuff feels templated off Emancipation tracks, or has that same cheap, plasticy sound (I know that 'plastic sound' comment is used a lot, but I can't think of a more accurate way to describe it - it feels very unorganic and generic....). Neversin, what did you think about other recent releases - TRC, Xpectation, NEWS? | |
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NouveauDance said: Neversin, what did you think about other recent releases - TRC, Xpectation, NEWS?
I don't like TRC mainly because it's Prince trying to sound like *any neo-soul product* pretending to be Prince with some "safe" elevator jazz mixed in... Like I said if I want to hear D'angelo I'll put on one of his albums I don't need that simpleness from Prince... I somewhat liked "Xpectation" the first time I heard it now I love it... It still needs "Xenophobia" though... And well "N.E.W.S." sound like stuff I do with friends when we're warming up/fucking around for rehearsals or Jam sessions... Nothing special and kind of simple for someone with Prince's musical skills... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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skywalker said: I dunno. I think most of the time Prince goes with his gut and uses his artistic instincts.
If you mean with "his gut and artistic instinct" trying to cash in on the moneymaking "trend" of the moment then I agree with you... (Don't tell me you think "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" was Prince going with his gut and artistic instincts, Santana did it earlier that year with his crappy "Supernatural" with commercial succes... Prince again trying to cash in on a, seemingly, winning formula that blew up in his face... He finally used his brain by not releasing his Timbaland/Puff Daddy phase plastic crap commercially (that "High" nonsense...) And again with TRC trying to win over the hip and trendy "neo-soul clones" listeners...) Also, in the 80's, I don't believe that he was entirely free from biting trends. Think about the rockabilly tunes he did (Delirious, Jack U Off, Horny Toad). Although he used a synth in a new way, the very use of havey synths was trendy.
And there you said it, even though the use of heavy synths was trendy he used it in a NEW way instead of making himself sound like a clone of whatever band was hip back then (unlike he's doing now...) Also, Prince giving a big nod to the 60's (in fashion and otherwise) could be seen as following a trend.
I don't see how fashion and image are related to the creation process of MUSIC... (I don't give a shit what Prince wears or not wears, I'm in it for the music...) Yes, Prince was innovative. However, it wasn't as if he said "This year I am going to be INNOVATIVE!"
No, he said he was going to be DIFFERENT just because nobody did it and see what the reaction would be... (And that was on record...) Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Neversin said: NouveauDance said: Neversin, what did you think about other recent releases - TRC, Xpectation, NEWS?
I don't like TRC mainly because it's Prince trying to sound like *any neo-soul product* pretending to be Prince with some "safe" elevator jazz mixed in... Like I said if I want to hear D'angelo I'll put on one of his albums I don't need that simpleness from Prince... I somewhat liked "Xpectation" the first time I heard it now I love it... It still needs "Xenophobia" though... And well "N.E.W.S." sound like stuff I do with friends when we're warming up/fucking around for rehearsals or Jam sessions... Nothing special and kind of simple for someone with Prince's musical skills... Neversin. For me TRC is one of those albums I can listen to from beginning to end. I can see the neo - soul influence in a way, but he is an innovator of soul and there is really no such thing as "neo soul" That's just a term created for marketing purposes. Keep in mind that it is D'angelo trying to sound like him in the first place. As far as "the work pt. 1. P has always done the James Brown thing (Housequake, Sexy Dancer, Possesed ) that is nothing new for Prince. Also I think certain songs on TRC were all the way Prince and somewhat of a return to form. like 1+1+1 is 3, Everlasting Now, Last December is a jam also, I was surprised that so many folks on the org didn't like this record. Also the album has a more organic sound that I often hear folks say is missing from his music these days... especialy the ones created for mainstream appeal like Rave and Musicology. On a scale of 1 to 10 what you give TRC? I would give it an 8 1/2. One of the most interesting records he has put out in awhile. | |
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"If you mean with "his gut and artistic instinct" trying to cash in on the moneymaking "trend" of the moment then I agree with you... (Don't tell me you think "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" was Prince going with his gut and artistic instincts, Santana did it earlier that year with his crappy "Supernatural" with commercial succes... Prince again trying to cash in on a, seemingly, winning formula that blew up in his face... He finally used his brain by not releasing his Timbaland/Puff Daddy phase plastic crap commercially (that "High" nonsense...) And again with TRC trying to win over the hip and trendy "neo-soul clones" listeners...)"
Say what you want about "Rave" and how Prince was trying to sell/market it, it doesn't really sound like anything else that was out. Yeah, it had elements of what was hip and trendy, but nobody had songs out like "Rave un2" no one sounded like "Strange but True". I'll say it again, even when Prince is biting trends he still gives sounds his own spin. He'll try things like rap, but he'll make it purple and all princey. "And there you said it, even though the use of heavy synths was trendy he used it in a NEW way instead of making himself sound like a clone of whatever band was hip back then (unlike he's doing now...)" Again, I would argue that Prince doesn't ever clone exactly what is going on. He may jump on trends, but he gives it his own spin. It may not come out all that great, but I don't think Prince is a lot more guilty of doing this now than he's ever been. I mean, it wasn't until "Dirty Mind" that he found his sound. After, "purple rain" he was incorporating 60's psychedelic rock and other styles that weren't HIS. I would argue that Prince doesn't ever do stuf jsut like everyone else. He always does it abit different. I don't see how fashion and image are related to the creation process of MUSIC... (I don't give a shit what Prince wears or not wears, I'm in it for the music...) Not just fashion and style. Music too. Yes, in 1985, Prince was doing new things and being innovative, but he was also incorporating 60's rock, and 60's soul into his music (The Beatles influence was all over "ATWIAD"). Prince also showed classical influences. Now, I dug it. But it's not like he was making up a new genre. The "parade" tour was basically a hyped up 60's soul review. I am not putting that time period down, just saying that Prince didn't exist in a vacuum. He always in using other styles and making them different-for better or worse. No, he said he was going to be DIFFERENT just because nobody did it and see what the reaction would be... (And that was on record...) Come on now.If nothing else, Prince IS and always has been different (on record or otherwise). No one tries half the shit he does. Again, who has a song like "Pussy Control" and a song like "Endorphinemachine" back to back on an album? Who would release a song like "Te Amo Corazon" as a 1st single? No one. If you agree with nothing else you gotta agree that Prince is always trying to be different. PS. Family Name-neo soul? No. Wedding Feast-neo soul? No. D'angelo would not. Again Prince is different. For better or worse. [Edited 12/14/05 12:30pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Yeah, it had elements of what was hip and trendy, but nobody had songs out like "Rave un2" no one sounded like "Strange but True".
"Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" is a 18 year old song, not exactly new... And "Strange But True" is just your ordinary sample ridden plastic crap, there's more than enough of that kind of crap (that song is just another Prince style hip-hop song, like all that other plastic "High" shite...) Not just fashion and style. Music too. Yes, in 1985, Prince was doing new things and being innovative, but he was also incorporating 60's rock, and 60's soul into his music (The Beatles influence was all over "ATWIAD"). Prince also showed classical influences. Now, I dug it. But it's not like he was making up a new genre.
True, but remember that most of the music in that period had heavy input and/or was influenced by several bandmembers... And who was creating music like that back in those days? Nobody, only Prince... Come on now.If nothing else, Prince IS and always has been different (on record or otherwise). No one tries half the shit he does. Again, who has a song like "Pussy Control" and a song like "Endorphinemachine" back to back on an album?
You're not getting the point and you're talking about songs from 12 years ago, and there's nothing really different in his current music, he just caters to the hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds which is why his current music sounds lazy and dated as fuck in a couple of months or boring like any other neo-soul product... I'm the last person who wants him to make music he's already made and yet that's what his current motto seems to be ("Musicology" being the prime example and his rather embarassing attempt to reinvent "Erotic City" with that lame ass "1+1+1=3"...) Who would release a song like "Te Amo Corazon" as a 1st single? No one.
There's more than enough musicians out there who would release tripe like this as a first single (replace the vocals with Santana playing his guitar and you have your average sellout Santana single...) If you agree with nothing else you gotta agree that Prince is always trying to be different.
I doubt it if he still tries and if he does he never succeeds anymore... PS. Family Name-neo soul? No
Just your average, lazy Prince jam which sounds way better live... Wedding Feast-neo soul?
Not even a serious song, just Prince who watched too much "Jesus Christ Superstar" and trying to be funny... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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I think his only "problem" is that need to "pop". | |
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Zelaira said: THe PRINCE OF OLD? EVEN THAT SOUNDS LIKE SHIT! NO! I WANT The PRINCE OF NEW and Whatever his STYLE Will Be FUN and I Will LOOK Forward to hearing it and NO Rainbow Children and MUSICOLOGY DID NOT SUCK.... Maybe you weren't FEELINg Them But they DID NOT SUCK.....I would be SO BORED if he was just STUCK in 1984. How Cool would that be if say he was just a BONJOVI STYLE ARTIST.....VERY UNCOOL 4 DAMN SURE.... I Can't Wait for his NEW.....
Yo. Z makes a great point here, people. Prince has kept on changing and moving, and it's almost impossible 2 imagine him as the "BonJovi Type" of playing re-runs of the past. We R truly fortunate he's not. That all being said, I'm still placing my bet with my friend, who worked at PP, and who I trust... The new shit is gonna be kickin'...and yes, he said it was a kind of return to the old school Prince Funk. We'll see, folks... we'll see. Peace. G. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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"Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" is a 18 year old song, not exactly new...
And "Strange But True" is just your ordinary sample ridden plastic crap, there's more than enough of that kind of crap (that song is just another Prince style hip-hop song, like all that other plastic "High" shite...) Well, Rave was 11 when the album came out. Regardless, how was putting that song on the album following trends as you had said earlier? No one would have put out that on an album to sound trendy. Also, "Strange but true" is Prince utilizing the same synth/keys sounds that he used in the early 80's. Listen to the synth solo- it could have been on "dirty mind" and it is very Finkish. The song A. Is another example of Prince not following trends (or doing what was hot at the time) and B. Features some old school Prince instrumentation/production. It is NOT hip hop whatsoever. If you think "Strange but true" is Prince doing hip hop, I now have a deeper insight as to why your view on Prince is so confusing. True, but remember that most of the music in that period had heavy input and/or was influenced by several bandmembers... And who was creating music like that back in those days? Nobody, only Prince... All you can do is to speculate as to how and when Prince is influenced by bandmembers. The fact is, you don't truly know who and when and how Prince is utilizing his bandmembers. Again, it's all speculation.....I would argue that Prince still makes music that is unique to himself. Is he creating new genres? No. Has he ever? He is still making music that doesn't soud exactly like anyone else. He's still making Prince music. He, as he always has, blends and uses genres (whether they are hip or not) to make his sound. You're not getting the point and you're talking about songs from 12 years ago, and there's nothing really different in his current music, he just caters to the hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds which is why his current music sounds lazy and dated as fuck in a couple of months or boring like any other neo-soul product... I'm the last person who wants him to make music he's already made and yet that's what his current motto seems to be ("Musicology" being the prime example and his rather embarassing attempt to reinvent "Erotic City" with that lame ass "1+1+1=3"...) Fine- Te Amo Corazon. When has Prince ever done a song like that? Rollingstone sums it up: "There's nothing revolutionary about "Te Amo Corazon," but something about its simple familiarity -- the fulsome Prince production, the lounge-y atmosphere, his abrupt swings into falsetto -- will make you want to sink right into it like a favorite armchair. (A sexy armchair, mind you.) Sade, move over: Prince has mastered island-breeze lounge-pop." Yeah, Prince hasn't reinvented the wheel with this song. However, he's not copying what's hot now, or what he has done before. Other people agree that, with his new song, Prince has done something that A. He hadn't really done before and B. Isn't biting trends or doing "what's hot now." Sade hasn't been trendy for decades and the latin explosion is long over.I am sorry, but I don't buy the argument that Prince is catering to "hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds". It's not like this song was made to be pumped at the clubs, it's not like Usher is in the video. This is not a super accessable song. You might not like it and thats fine, but the arguments you are aiming at Prince's current output are weakened by you bias. There's more than enough musicians out there who would release tripe like this as a first single (replace the vocals with Santana playing his guitar and you have your average sellout Santana single...) Now you are stretching. Yeah, we could throw in Santana. For that matter, we could throw in Ludacris, the guy from Maroon 5 and Kanye West if that will help you make your point. The fact is- Prince didn't do any of this. If Prince wanted a top 40 angel, he would have sold out a lot harder than this. He's still making music on his own terms. And to suggest that he never has commercial potential in his mind is false. Prince has been "aiming for charts" since "I wanna be your lover." Another example of this would be "little Red Corvette". I doubt it if he still tries and if he does he never succeeds anymore... According to you. I could cite dozens of examples of how Prince in 2005 is different from any artist out there today. Just your average, lazy Prince jam which sounds way better live... Yeah that guitar solo at the end of "Family Name" is the epitome of lazy and boring. Whatever. Regardless of what you think, it's not "neo soul", nor aiming for that crowd. "TRC" might be one of the least commercially minded albums Prince has done. I doubt he was thinking "Hmmm I bet everybody at okayplayer wants some Akashic records in the mix..." Not even a serious song, just Prince who watched too much "Jesus Christ Superstar" and trying to be funny... Well, I am glad you know the inspiration behind the song. Still, it's not "neo-soul" as you said. Again, it's hard to argue that Prince included this for any reason other than "because he wanted to". Or is it, like you said, and this is just another example of him trying to cater to "..the hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds..". [Edited 12/15/05 17:44pm] "New Power slide...." |
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fans like you taint the picture of prince for newer fans and prince's future. i said this before, older fans know too much of prince, maybe accept him for what or how is today and forget that the prince of today is the prince of yesterday ... look at him in a fresh light as a newbie and learn what he has to offer today.
it's great that you are insightful and knowledgable but your opinions taint my ideals of prince. he means so much to me, his music and influence is much more important... look, he has come all this way for a reason and he deserves more respect. i don't want to live with these negative ideas about prince, lifes too short, time is too precious. | |
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chunky said: fans like you taint the picture of prince for newer fans and prince's future. i said this before, older fans know too much of prince, maybe accept him for what or how is today and forget that the prince of today is the prince of yesterday ... look at him in a fresh light as a newbie and learn what he has to offer today.
it's great that you are insightful and knowledgable but your opinions taint my ideals of prince. he means so much to me, his music and influence is much more important... look, he has come all this way for a reason and he deserves more respect. i don't want to live with these negative ideas about prince, lifes too short, time is too precious. Maybe you shouldn't let other folks opinions about anything make you feel negative. You got your own mind right? "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: chunky said: fans like you taint the picture of prince for newer fans and prince's future. i said this before, older fans know too much of prince, maybe accept him for what or how is today and forget that the prince of today is the prince of yesterday ... look at him in a fresh light as a newbie and learn what he has to offer today.
it's great that you are insightful and knowledgable but your opinions taint my ideals of prince. he means so much to me, his music and influence is much more important... look, he has come all this way for a reason and he deserves more respect. i don't want to live with these negative ideas about prince, lifes too short, time is too precious. Maybe you shouldn't let other folks opinions about anything make you feel negative. You got your own mind right? true, it's my mind, and i'm not interested in the opinion of strangers that influence my ideals/personal view in a negative way...that's stupid, but i appreciate their expertise and knowledge it's just, i want to experience prince for myself and not through others [Edited 12/15/05 18:48pm] | |
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("Musicology" being the prime example and his rather embarassing attempt to reinvent "Erotic City" with that lame ass "1+1+1=3"...)
[/quote] I agree with most of what you said, except, Te Amo Corazon, is not mind blowing, it is a well made, pretty song, way better than anything hes done in way too long, its the first song in a long time that i didnt feel embarassed to play out loud. My standards for prince songs have been lowered over the last decade" Rainbow Childen, Musicology, Rave,..... other than some of the lyrics, this one is not cringeworthy | |
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Maybe we're gonna see the Prince of Now, a Prince true to himself. The magic is there, sometimes so deep that we might not recognize what later will astound us.
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skywalker said: "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" is a 18 year old song, not exactly new...
And "Strange But True" is just your ordinary sample ridden plastic crap, there's more than enough of that kind of crap (that song is just another Prince style hip-hop song, like all that other plastic "High" shite...) Well, Rave was 11 when the album came out. Regardless, how was putting that song on the album following trends as you had said earlier? No one would have put out that on an album to sound trendy. Also, "Strange but true" is Prince utilizing the same synth/keys sounds that he used in the early 80's. Listen to the synth solo- it could have been on "dirty mind" and it is very Finkish. The song A. Is another example of Prince not following trends (or doing what was hot at the time) and B. Features some old school Prince instrumentation/production. It is NOT hip hop whatsoever. If you think "Strange but true" is Prince doing hip hop, I now have a deeper insight as to why your view on Prince is so confusing. True, but remember that most of the music in that period had heavy input and/or was influenced by several bandmembers... And who was creating music like that back in those days? Nobody, only Prince... All you can do is to speculate as to how and when Prince is influenced by bandmembers. The fact is, you don't truly know who and when and how Prince is utilizing his bandmembers. Again, it's all speculation.....I would argue that Prince still makes music that is unique to himself. Is he creating new genres? No. Has he ever? He is still making music that doesn't soud exactly like anyone else. He's still making Prince music. He, as he always has, blends and uses genres (whether they are hip or not) to make his sound. You're not getting the point and you're talking about songs from 12 years ago, and there's nothing really different in his current music, he just caters to the hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds which is why his current music sounds lazy and dated as fuck in a couple of months or boring like any other neo-soul product... I'm the last person who wants him to make music he's already made and yet that's what his current motto seems to be ("Musicology" being the prime example and his rather embarassing attempt to reinvent "Erotic City" with that lame ass "1+1+1=3"...) Fine- Te Amo Corazon. When has Prince ever done a song like that? Rollingstone sums it up: "There's nothing revolutionary about "Te Amo Corazon," but something about its simple familiarity -- the fulsome Prince production, the lounge-y atmosphere, his abrupt swings into falsetto -- will make you want to sink right into it like a favorite armchair. (A sexy armchair, mind you.) Sade, move over: Prince has mastered island-breeze lounge-pop." Yeah, Prince hasn't reinvented the wheel with this song. However, he's not copying what's hot now, or what he has done before. Other people agree that, with his new song, Prince has done something that A. He hadn't really done before and B. Isn't biting trends or doing "what's hot now." Sade hasn't been trendy for decades and the latin explosion is long over.I am sorry, but I don't buy the argument that Prince is catering to "hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds". It's not like this song was made to be pumped at the clubs, it's not like Usher is in the video. This is not a super accessable song. You might not like it and thats fine, but the arguments you are aiming at Prince's current output are weakened by you bias. There's more than enough musicians out there who would release tripe like this as a first single (replace the vocals with Santana playing his guitar and you have your average sellout Santana single...) Now you are stretching. Yeah, we could throw in Santana. For that matter, we could throw in Ludacris, the guy from Maroon 5 and Kanye West if that will help you make your point. The fact is- Prince didn't do any of this. If Prince wanted a top 40 angel, he would have sold out a lot harder than this. He's still making music on his own terms. And to suggest that he never has commercial potential in his mind is false. Prince has been "aiming for charts" since "I wanna be your lover." Another example of this would be "little Red Corvette". I doubt it if he still tries and if he does he never succeeds anymore... According to you. I could cite dozens of examples of how Prince in 2005 is different from any artist out there today. Just your average, lazy Prince jam which sounds way better live... Yeah that guitar solo at the end of "Family Name" is the epitome of lazy and boring. Whatever. Regardless of what you think, it's not "neo soul", nor aiming for that crowd. "TRC" might be one of the least commercially minded albums Prince has done. I doubt he was thinking "Hmmm I bet everybody at okayplayer wants some Akashic records in the mix..." Not even a serious song, just Prince who watched too much "Jesus Christ Superstar" and trying to be funny... Well, I am glad you know the inspiration behind the song. Still, it's not "neo-soul" as you said. Again, it's hard to argue that Prince included this for any reason other than "because he wanted to". Or is it, like you said, and this is just another example of him trying to cater to "..the hip, chart watching, dumbed down crowds..". [Edited 12/15/05 17:44pm] I started to reply to this negitivity thread but then saw your post and felt like what you said was all that needed to be said. It is what it is | |
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BigMFCheez said: As a new project beckons and we hope against hope for some magic of old to somehow resurface, I once again sadly acknowledge to myself that the goose is dead. There probably are no more golden eggs.
The magic was lost many years ago, when anger and a desperation to remain relevant killed the natural outflow of pure creativity and inspiration. Sure, there have been golden pebbles here and there, but for the most part, the frustrating pattern of forced, uninspired output remains intact. I think the freedom that Prince has so earnestly searched for throughout his career is eluding him. Sure, he has succeeded in breaking away from record labels and business models, but he has not freed himself from his most oppressive captor - himself. For Prince to return to the place where inspiration flows, he must free himself from his own overwhelming need for recognition. 
In my opinion, his focus shifted back in '92 with the Symbol album. Remember the "My name is Prince, and I am funky" song? Has there ever been a song that screamed more desperately "hey everybody! please look at me!!! I'm still relevant and I'm still the best!!!? This to me was when the wheels came off and since then, it wasn't anymore about the music, but about a desperate search to regain lost glory... The few golden pebbles that have materialized since then have emerged when some other motivation was in place. His love for Mayte and for his unborn child inspired several beautiful songs in Emancipation, and his live performances continue to be amazing because the stage is the one place where he is truly "free". But when was the last time he created something truly special in the studio? The goose was killed by too much ambition and insecurity, but I believe that the magic is still in there. The inspiration and purity that created so many priceless works of art many years ago still exists. The magic can be revived by removing all the self-imposed anxiety and expectations so the creative energy can flow freely once again. Can he do it? I think only true spirituality can inspire this, but not the kind that arrogantly seeks to convince others. So now, on the heels of the first ever critically overrated Prince album (Musicology), let us pray for a miracle. Let us pray that Prince somehow escaped from his own self-made prison and returned to the old, carefree defiance of "we don't give a damn, we just wanna jam, Partyup!" This said, whatcha all think? Will 3121 be a) Another uninspired effort b) Back to preaching ala Rainbow Children c) THe first gem in decades | |
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Neversin said:[quote] sag10 said: It's just weird to see him churn out some amazing stuff live again (aftershows only) since he somewhat returned to form in the live departement with the ONA tour [...] Neversin. You were at the Nighttown aftershow, right? Sh*t, he was on fire! I still cannot believe that performance of Beautiful Strange... the solo, the feedback. I so wish I could have seen that! 
About the original question... I don't know if he will ever make "something as great as..." again, I don't even know if I will recognize it if he does, all I know is that I'm seriously glad that after all those years he's STILL doing whatever he wants. I like lots of his stuff, sure, but I don't have a problem with the part I don't like. | |
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skywalker said: "Strange but true" is Prince utilizing the same synth/keys sounds that he used in the early 80's. Listen to the synth solo- it could have been on "dirty mind" and it is very Finkish. The song A. Is another example of Prince not following trends (or doing what was hot at the time) and B. Features some old school Prince instrumentation/production.
Remember that this crap was released when the whole 80's retro shit was hip and trendy... It is NOT hip hop whatsoever. If you think "Strange but true" is Prince doing hip hop, I now have a deeper insight as to why your view on Prince is so confusing.
Dude, have you ever listened to his wannabe hip-hop efforts? This song is just another one of those... Now you are stretching.
Stretchting? I'm saying that if you REPLACE not ADD the vocals with Santana and you couldn't even imagine it was Prince, it's just another lame effort... Yeah that guitar solo at the end of "Family Name" is the epitome of lazy and boring.
Pretty much yeah... It's not exactly impressive or something... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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calldapplwondery83 said: You were at the Nighttown aftershow, right? Sh*t, he was on fire! I still cannot believe that performance of Beautiful Strange... the solo, the feedback. I so wish I could have seen that!
IMO one of the best aftershows from that tour, just behind the Spirit, Dublin gig... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Remember that this crap was released when the whole 80's retro shit was hip and trendy...
"Strange but true" is Prince somewhat returning to his earlier sound-you think he is copying a retro 80's sound to be "hip"? If anything he is copying himself-not others in an attempt to be "trendy". Here is billboard magazine's top 10 songs from the year "Rave" came out. I don't see songs on this list that suggest that 80's retro was hip (it is hip in 2005 for sure). 1 No scrubs- TLC 2 Slide- Goo Goo Dolls 3 I want it that way- Backstreet Boys 4 Every morning- Sugar Ray 5 Kiss me- Sixpence None The Richer 6 Where my girls at?- 702 7 All star- Smash Mouth 8 Angel of mine- Monica 9 Save tonight- Eagle-Eye Cherry 10 Angel Sarah McLachlan Where all all the hip retro 80's wannabe songs? Again, I hear it nowadays with people like Andre 3000, Gwen, and Madonna-but back in 1999 the 80's weren't back in vogue yet. "Strange but True" was Prince being Prince. Dude, have you ever listened to his wannabe hip-hop efforts? This song is just another one of those... Dude, yes I have. Dude, "Strange but True" is not one of those attempts. But, I'll ask other folks here what they think? Stretchting? I'm saying that if you REPLACE not ADD the vocals with Santana and you couldn't even imagine it was Prince, it's just another lame effort... Yeah stretching. Of course if you replace Prince's vocals with Santana it's going to sound like Santana. If you replace Prince vocals with Michael Jackson it will sound like Michael Jackson. No shit. Pretty much yeah... It's not exactly impressive or something... Hey, you are entitled to your opinion-still it's not neo-soul. [Edited 12/16/05 11:00am] "New Power slide...." |
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Prince is not a "rebel" anymore. The Rude Boy is gone, the Kid is gone. What we have now is an old 5 star general that has nothing to prove anymore to anyone. He knows what he did and what he is capable of, yet he can't seem to go back into battle for that last war. Like all great generals, Prince will fade away, leaving us with great memories of his glory days in the 80's and what wasn't released from the 80's decade, but we will always love him and support him even when he puts out music you know has no fire. Gone are the days when you can have an complete album of funk. Every record now will have about 3 top notch "Prince" songs, which will never be singles because Prince is scared that if he releases something that is like his old form, we will be clammering for more(which is true). He can't make songs like Housequake anymore or 17 Days. Age has caught up to our boy. Prince has grown up and become refined like a good wine. Us as fans are still rough and edgy because we know that the vault has what we want in it. Even if those old vault songs aren't up to par by Prince's standards, the reason for them to be locked away, they are still 100 times better that the stuff he put out over the last 10 years. I think that is what scares Prince as an artist. You never lose inspiration, it all around you everyday, but you can lose skill(not his ability to play)meaning the ability to write something that too funky! I think that it's cool for Prince to explore new genres of music, but let's explore some that will get us on the dancefloor. I have so much more to say but I'll stop here. Hell, one more thing, collaborate with other true artist like yourself from other genres of music. Hang out with a metalhead, househead, real dirty south type hip hop artist. Absorb it all in and come out with something that will make people say "DAMN, I did know Prince could play that!" I'm done. __________________________________________________
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Meant to say "Damn, I didn't know Prince could play that!" __________________________________________________
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Just wanted to say thanks to all for all the great input and discussions. Any more thoughts, rebuttals, ideas or freakouts, anyone?  Must I become naked? No image at all? | |
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skywalker said: "Strange but true" is Prince somewhat returning to his earlier sound-you think he is copying a retro 80's sound to be "hip"?
Pretty much yeah, in 1999 the 1980's was suddenly everywhere... Posting some tracks released in 1999 from some billboards mag is not exactly a guide for what was hip at that moment (I gather you didn't go clubbing in 1999...) Dude, yes I have. Dude, "Strange but True" is not one of those attempts. But, I'll ask other folks here what they think?
It's quite obvious that this crap is of the same mold as all his lame wannabe rapper efforts like, for example, "Why Should I Do That, When I Can Do This?"... Yeah stretching. Of course if you replace Prince's vocals with Santana it's going to sound like Santana. If you replace Prince vocals with Michael Jackson it will sound like Michael Jackson. No shit.
Are you just that obtuse or are you just playing? Where talking about a SONG here not some vocal efforts, but just to simple it down for you: if you'd replace Prince's vocals on "Rockhard In A Funky Place" with MJ's vocals it wouldn't sound like a MJ SONG (what we were talking about remember?) it would sound like MJ doing a "Prince song"... Now with "Te Amo Corazon" it's just another lame effort that could have been done by Santana and you wouldn't have noticed it being a Prince penned song... Hey, you are entitled to your opinion-still it's not neo-soul.
Just to be clear, where did I say the song "Family Name" was Neo-Soul? I was talking about the TRC album (it's pretty obvious that he was going for that lazy, boring neo-soul sound) which just sounds like *Prince doing your average Neo-Soul product biting Prince* tripe record with some elevator jazz mixed... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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7salles said: Poor neversin, he lost the argument.
Or maybe I didn't have internet access this weekend or I had to work (yes some people here actually have a job...) or maybe I have a life to attend to every now and then, or maybe I had some quality time with my girlfriend... A discussion on a forum about Prince is not exactly a priority or an importance in my life, it's just another form of filling useless time, remember that we're talking about some musician who hasn't done anything worthwhile in your life then just release some music you like (like a shitload of other artists...) and if you claim that he has changed your life, well, then I pity your life but then again you're human so that kind of retardedness should be expected... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: murph said: I second that vote!!!! Thank you all, but I would have to politely decline the nomination. I took a break from the org for a while and came back to the same craziness. I'm tired of debating whether or not Wendy and Lisa are overrated, sick of people being stuck in the 80s in December of 2005 and most of all I'm tired of the bitching about every little thing Prince does. My life has enough going on without this shit.  I'm just fed up....Hell I'm sure he doesn't even care this much However, it's good to see that we have some thinkers around here. how sad and pathetic that you have to resort to dismissing other peoples musical taste/opinions to justify your own. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Thank you all, but I would have to politely decline the nomination. I took a break from the org for a while and came back to the same craziness. I'm tired of debating whether or not Wendy and Lisa are overrated, sick of people being stuck in the 80s in December of 2005 and most of all I'm tired of the bitching about every little thing Prince does. My life has enough going on without this shit. I'm just fed up....Hell I'm sure he doesn't even care this much However, it's good to see that we have some thinkers around here. how sad and pathetic that you have to resort to dismissing other peoples musical taste/opinions to justify your own. did you read the reply before yours? | |
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psykosoul said: sosgemini said: how sad and pathetic that you have to resort to dismissing other peoples musical taste/opinions to justify your own. did you read the reply before yours? 
no i didnt..thats just as bad IMHO. back to the subject at hand, why do people automatically assume that people are expecting a retread of the "80's" prince when these types of discussions pop-up? has anyone ever declared, "this album sucks!! i was expecting purple rain2!!"? its a weak arguement at best. Space for sale... | |
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