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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: ----- I know who is and I am not that impressed. I don't care how bad you think he is the notes were disrespectful which is pretty typical of the hip-hop generation. A lot of artist today are trying to figure out how to get beyond 3 CD's and most of P's peers are on what is left of the Budwiser Super Fest circiut but,know body will give our boy any f**king credit. [Edited 12/12/05 5:09am] Ha! HA! Not impressed wth Saul in this time period is like not being impressed with Prince in the 80s. Damn near every poet I hear these days is doing Saul's inflections and copying his ryhme schemes. As Jay-Z would say "He's the blueprint". If you like any black contemporary poets, chances are they have been influenced by Saul. YOU may not be impressed but the rest of the poetry world is. What you seem to PRETEND not to know (I know you're no dumbass Laura, you know this) is that Prince's contemporaries CAN'T get past 2 CDs and Superfest tours because all the money that would be going to R&B acts are going in the pockets of execs via filtering through rap acts. They invest low these days. Prince has surpassed most of his peers. He attained superstar status and has a fanbase and is using it wisely. Who's not admitting that? Prince fans always want Prince to have more credit than he's due because of how he's affected THEM as opposed to everyone else. Damn, he made it into the R&R Hall of Fame as he should have. What do you want; some special "Prince" category? Not gonna happen. D'Angelo is the father of Neo-Soul. He brought back the BLACKNESS and recaptured the essence of black culture in his music. Some of y'all are just mad because he didn't go for a politically correct "crossover" sound. He upped the standards for R&B and brought attention to musical excellence without the need for "crossing over". His music is unapologetically BLACK AS HELL and if you like it then you were down, whatever your color/culture. Some of you resent that, but whatever. Nobody in the black community ever bitches about the onslaught of whine-rock that bombards the airwaves or this new-country bullshit that's just "Skynard-era" rock in disguise. People only seem to complain when AMERICAN black folks indulge in their own culture. I wonder why? 
NouveauDance: I never expected Prince to bring soul back. He's never been all that soulful in the first place. He's made hybrid music most of his career. You can't dilute soul music and expect people to hold it in the same regards. He's no Al Green or Marvin Gaye. He never wanted to be and I don't think he could have been even if he wanted to. Too many Prince fans on this site look down on soul music as if its inferior. I don't know if its just institutionalized "bias" or not but whatever the case, FUCK THOSE WHO DO. Its NOT inferior. Its BLACK. Maybe therin lies the real resentment? It always will be primarily black American. 
----- I don't have to be impressed with Saul. That is my opinion and I certainly don't think he is at P's level to write that shit in D'Angelo's CD and pit two genius agaisnt one another which some black people love to do. You can look at the whole stupid gangster rap nonsense as proof of that. Please don't mention Jay-Z.. I could care less about this no-talent thug. "What you seem to PRETEND not to know (I know you're no dumbass Laura, you know this) is that Prince's contemporaries CAN'T get past 2 CDs and Super fest tours because all the money that would be going to R&B acts are going in the pockets of execs via filtering through rap acts. They invest low these days. Prince has surpassed most of his peers. He attained superstar status and has a fanbase and is using it wisely. Who's not admitting that? Prince fans always want Prince to have more credit than he's due because of how he's affected THEM as opposed to everyone else. Damn, he made it into the R&R Hall of Fame as he should have. What do you want; some special "Prince" category? Not gonna happen." I know that a lot of P's peers could be out during the same thing he is doing instead of waiting for the music industry to take an interest in old school RnB. Because that is not going to happen and P does not get any credit for keeping his music career going with and with out the help of the industry from people on this so-called fan board. To say that D'Angleo brought back blackness and recaptured the essence of black culture in music is a awful lot of credit to give to him. Especially since I saw Toni, Tone Tony during the old school RnB thing back in 1988. Your giving D'Angelo a little too much credit. I think D'Angelo is very talented and I certainly am not one of the RnB/Soul haters on this board. However, I don't think Prince or any black artist is obligated to only do RnB. I don't think P wanted to be stuck on the Budwiser/Chitlin Circuit so he ried different genres of music. Is that not one of the things that makes an artist an artist. I just don't like to see black artist pitted against one another. P does not have to jump up and meet the challenge of every new artist that comes along. Nobody expects Stevie Wonder to do that and I don't see why P is not afforded the same respect. | |
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laurarichardson said:[quote] BlaqueKnight said: Damn, he made it into the R&R Hall of Fame as he should have. What do you want; some special "Prince" category?." . Wouldn't mind....!! 
I've never thought of Prince as R&B. Shut up already, damn. | |
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Saul is far more poetic than Prince ever has been. Go listen to "Sha clack-clack"...fuck it. Nevermind. You have your opinions and no one is trying to take them from you. The poetry communitty in general has nothing but praise for Saul and with good reason.
The 3 Tonys were still doing newjack swing. Their singles were newjack swing-ish with the bounce beats. They incorporated soul but D'Angelo was the one to come along and do full on soul/jazz blends without bending to the curve of what was going on at the time. Now that its been established AGAIN that D'Angelo himself didn't make the comment; can we move on? Sheesh! [Edited 12/12/05 11:34am] | |
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I remember reading the liner notes when I bought Voodoo and I thought they were very disrespectful. Look I understand that Saul may not feel Prince's current direction, but to mention Stevie Wonder and not mention that he fell of just as much or worse discredits the passage. Furthermore, I loved Prince's response where he mentioned that he wished Stevie would have used clavinets and live drums in the 1980s but he would have never told him so or put that in the liner notes of his albums. It's just laughable especially considering that neither one has been around as long or achieved Prince's level of success. I understand that they may want the best for Prince, but pull him aside and talk to him, don't put that in print. That's what bothers me about people sometimes, putting shit like that out is just disrespectful, pointless and tasteless, especially when these people paved the way for you. That reminds me of Wynton Marsalis bad mouthing Miles' fusion work early in his career and even to this day. Dude you haven't been around long enough to voice that critique, hold those observations for when you've been around for decades and are breaking some ground. All great artists have a period where people don't feel their art, so Saul didn't make any new revelation. That was my captain obvious moment of that entire essay. [Edited 12/12/05 20:19pm] | |
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I Don't Listen to D'ANGELO. I Happen to listen To R KELLY Much More SEX>>>> | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: I remember reading the liner notes when I bought Voodoo and I thought they were very disrespectful. Look I understand that Saul may not feel Prince's current direction, but to mention Stevie Wonder and not mention that he fell of just as much or worse discredits the passage. Furthermore, I loved Prince's response where he mentioned that he wished Stevie would have used clavinets and live drums in the 1980s but he would have never told him so or put that in the liner notes of his albums. It's just laughable especially considering that neither one has been around as long or achieved Prince's level of success. I understand that they may want the best for Prince, but pull him aside and talk to him, don't put that in print. That's what bothers me about people sometimes, putting shit like that out is just disrespectful, pointless and tasteless, especially when these people paved the way for you. That reminds me of Wynton Marsalis bad mouthing Miles' fusion work early in his career and even to this day. Dude you haven't been around long enough to voice that critique, hold those observations for when you've been around for decades and are breaking some ground. All great artists have a period where people don't feel their art, so Saul didn't make any new revelation. That was my captain obvious moment of that entire essay.
[Edited 12/12/05 20:19pm] thats the truth...lets stop here. This man wrapped it up Nero | |
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What about Bilal? Maybe could've been potential inspiration? And,where is he, he needs to come back out... | |
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Soulsista said: BlaqueKnight said: Nobody in the black community ever bitches about the onslaught of whine-rock that bombards the airwaves or this new-country bullshit that's just "Skynard-era" rock in disguise. People only seem to complain when AMERICAN black folks indulge in their own culture. I wonder why?
Well put!! Keep it REAL! You should ask Dionne Warwick - shes got some bug up her ass about rap. I wonder why? | |
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neronava said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I remember reading the liner notes when I bought Voodoo and I thought they were very disrespectful. Look I understand that Saul may not feel Prince's current direction, but to mention Stevie Wonder and not mention that he fell of just as much or worse discredits the passage. Furthermore, I loved Prince's response where he mentioned that he wished Stevie would have used clavinets and live drums in the 1980s but he would have never told him so or put that in the liner notes of his albums. It's just laughable especially considering that neither one has been around as long or achieved Prince's level of success. I understand that they may want the best for Prince, but pull him aside and talk to him, don't put that in print. That's what bothers me about people sometimes, putting shit like that out is just disrespectful, pointless and tasteless, especially when these people paved the way for you. That reminds me of Wynton Marsalis bad mouthing Miles' fusion work early in his career and even to this day. Dude you haven't been around long enough to voice that critique, hold those observations for when you've been around for decades and are breaking some ground. All great artists have a period where people don't feel their art, so Saul didn't make any new revelation. That was my captain obvious moment of that entire essay.
[Edited 12/12/05 20:19pm] thats the truth...lets stop here. This man wrapped it up Nero What was said has been posted and all you fanbots have blown it far beyond proportion. The dickriding on this site seems to have no bounds. First off, Saul is a POET. How many poets attain the level of success as pop stars? GTFOH with this silly nonsense. Anybody can say whatever the fuck they want to. Nobody has to EARN a critique - its an opinion. Its stings to you fandroids because it was TRUE. It wasn't even that bad. You suckas act as if D'Angelo and Saul Williams - a poet - owe Prince royalties or some dumb shit. So what, he paved the way. That doesn't mean that D wouldn't be doing music if not for Prince. You all are so sensitively OBSESSED it ain't even funny. This is a silly arguement. Prince has done what he's done and D has done what he's done and both artists have made accomplishments. Saul is the muthafuckin' MAN on the poetry tip. If you don't know, then get a freakin' clue. At what point in time did we come to the point where we have to approve of every artists' viewpoints in order to like them? Wynton & Miles are both bad ass jazz musicians. D'Angelo and Prince are both talented artists. Who cares what they think of each other, really? Enjoy the music! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: neronava said: thats the truth...lets stop here. This man wrapped it up Nero What was said has been posted and all you fanbots have blown it far beyond proportion. The dickriding on this site seems to have no bounds. First off, Saul is a POET. How many poets attain the level of success as pop stars? GTFOH with this silly nonsense. Anybody can say whatever the fuck they want to. Nobody has to EARN a critique - its an opinion. Its stings to you fandroids because it was TRUE. It wasn't even that bad. You suckas act as if D'Angelo and Saul Williams - a poet - owe Prince royalties or some dumb shit. So what, he paved the way. That doesn't mean that D wouldn't be doing music if not for Prince. You all are so sensitively OBSESSED it ain't even funny. This is a silly arguement. Prince has done what he's done and D has done what he's done and both artists have made accomplishments. Saul is the muthafuckin' MAN on the poetry tip. If you don't know, then get a freakin' clue. At what point in time did we come to the point where we have to approve of every artists' viewpoints in order to like them? Wynton & Miles are both bad ass jazz musicians. D'Angelo and Prince are both talented artists. Who cares what they think of each other, really? Enjoy the music! BK, let me ask you a question, why are you calling me a fanbot for saying that I didn't dig SAUL WILLIAMS' statement on Prince? Why do u resort to taking shots when you don't agree with an opinion? I never took a shot at you, so why is that necessary? Wait a minute...You know what, I give..I'm not even gonna get back into the pettiness on this site man it's just a waste of time. I honestly don't care that much and I don't feel like arguing with people about something this asinine. Prince, D'Angelo, Saul Williams etc. don't even know I exist so why do I care so much? Shit neither one of them MF's are sitting on a message board taking up for me. [Edited 12/12/05 22:04pm] | |
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Sorry if I came off as harsh but damn; y'all act like Saul said "Fuck that bitch-made nigga Prince. He weak as fuck and I hope he falls face first on a rusty nail". It wasn't that serious and this topic has been beaten to death almost as much a the "Prince is the greatest guitarist in the world" topic. Its been said, done and nobody's making ny public apologies. Xpertluva...its over. Dead issue. Peace. [Edited 12/12/05 22:29pm] | |
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. [Edited 12/12/05 22:38pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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pepper7 said:[quote] laurarichardson said: BlaqueKnight said: Damn, he made it into the R&R Hall of Fame as he should have. What do you want; some special "Prince" category?." . Wouldn't mind....!!
I've never thought of Prince as R&B. ----- Gee I wonder what the first 5 record were (LOL) | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Saul is far more poetic than Prince ever has been. Go listen to "Sha clack-clack"...fuck it. Nevermind. You have your opinions and no one is trying to take them from you. The poetry communitty in general has nothing but praise for Saul and with good reason.
The 3 Tonys were still doing newjack swing. Their singles were newjack swing-ish with the bounce beats. They incorporated soul but D'Angelo was the one to come along and do full on soul/jazz blends without bending to the curve of what was going on at the time. Now that its been established AGAIN that D'Angelo himself didn't make the comment; can we move on? Sheesh!
[Edited 12/12/05 11:34am] ----- We will have to agree to disagree on the Toni's. I never saw them as New Jack Swing and I am not sure anyone else did back in the day. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: neronava said: thats the truth...lets stop here. This man wrapped it up Nero What was said has been posted and all you fanbots have blown it far beyond proportion. The dickriding on this site seems to have no bounds. First off, Saul is a POET. How many poets attain the level of success as pop stars? GTFOH with this silly nonsense. Anybody can say whatever the fuck they want to. Nobody has to EARN a critique - its an opinion. Its stings to you fandroids because it was TRUE. It wasn't even that bad. You suckas act as if D'Angelo and Saul Williams - a poet - owe Prince royalties or some dumb shit. So what, he paved the way. That doesn't mean that D wouldn't be doing music if not for Prince. You all are so sensitively OBSESSED it ain't even funny. This is a silly arguement. Prince has done what he's done and D has done what he's done and both artists have made accomplishments. Saul is the muthafuckin' MAN on the poetry tip. If you don't know, then get a freakin' clue. At what point in time did we come to the point where we have to approve of every artists' viewpoints in order to like them? Wynton & Miles are both bad ass jazz musicians. D'Angelo and Prince are both talented artists. Who cares what they think of each other, really? Enjoy the music! ----- Saul and D don't have to respect Prince but they should shut the hell up. Look at D now and look at Prince. It is no different than the Wynton and Miles bullcrap. If you have something to say to an elder tell them to their face. Don't try to use the media to put someone down. It is dis-respectful and right off the plantation. | |
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laurarichardson said: pepper7 said: Wouldn't mind....!!
I've never thought of Prince as R&B. ----- Gee I wonder what the first 5 record were (LOL) Yeah maybe, I dunno, but I think it would be difficult just to put him in the catergory of R&B. Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said: laurarichardson said: ----- Gee I wonder what the first 5 record were (LOL) Yeah maybe, I dunno, but I think it would be difficult just to put him in the catergory of R&B. Wha?  Where've you been the last 20 something odd years? | |
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ares said: D'Angelo remade "She's always in my Hair" for the "Scream 2" soundtrack so i would assume things must be ok between him and Prince. Even if it is not, so what? D'angleo is washed up, fat, on drugs and possible in jail. Prince is still at the top of his game AND he didn't remake one of D'Angelo's songs. Agreed Ares. It seems that D'Angelo has peaked as an artist with Voodoo. If he doesn't get back in the game real soon, he will be forgotten. Cats like Anthony Hamilton, Lyfe and Martin Luther are really starting to take off. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: pepper7 said: Yeah maybe, I dunno, but I think it would be difficult just to put him in the catergory of R&B. Wha? Where've you been the last 20 something odd years?Parade ? Is that R&B ? Controversy ? Around The World In A Day ? Lovesexy ? Also if you're going to disagree . Say why you disagree ? That way it's a discussion rather than a point scoring exercise. Shut up already, damn. | |
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What's all this nonsense about poets? I thought we were talking music. Let's not do this again. And let's not have this 'the poets of our time' stuff either. There are poets who fill that space, not music artists. | |
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langebleu said: The liner notes are written by Saul Williams - although obviously D'Angelo would have given approval.
Some people consider that the swipe at  resulted in:
'U Make My Sunshine' - considered by some as a musical response to 'Untitled (How Does It Feel)' - recorded with Angie Stone, mother to a child by D'Angelo, and ex-collaborator and backing singer. 'Undisputed (the Moneyapolis Mix)' - includes the line: "My level is now what U must learn 2 rise above Talk 2 D'Angelo or better yet ?uestlove" . . That line isn't a swipe at D' though, it's more of a "You betta ask somebody" type of line explaining of how bad he is. "Free yo mind and yo ass will follow" - George Clinton | |
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i just called to say i'm not reading any part of this thread | |
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ThePunisher said: ares said: D'Angelo remade "She's always in my Hair" for the "Scream 2" soundtrack so i would assume things must be ok between him and Prince. Even if it is not, so what? D'angleo is washed up, fat, on drugs and possible in jail. Prince is still at the top of his game AND he didn't remake one of D'Angelo's songs. Agreed Ares. It seems that D'Angelo has peaked as an artist with Voodoo. If he doesn't get back in the game real soon, he will be forgotten. Cats like Anthony Hamilton, Lyfe and Martin Luther are really starting to take off.It's probably safe to say he peaked with brownsugar but that's a whole nutha beef when it comes to voodoo fans. Also, you can DEFINITELY leave Lyfe out of the mix. His shit was weak. "Free yo mind and yo ass will follow" - George Clinton | |
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BlaqueKnight said: The 3 Tonys were still doing newjack swing. Their singles were newjack swing-ish with the bounce beats. They incorporated soul but D'Angelo was the one to come along and do full on soul/jazz blends without bending to the curve of what was going on at the time. Sheesh!
[Edited 12/12/05 11:34am] Actually, 3T wasn't New Jack but in fact the Godfathers of Neo Soul which was largely - and falsely - credited to D'Angelo yet if you listen to 3T's Sons Of Soul you can hear the first inklings of the Neo Soul sound. Then to boot, Saadiq wrote "Lady" on D's Brown Sugar. "Free yo mind and yo ass will follow" - George Clinton | |
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pepper7 said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Wha? Where've you been the last 20 something odd years?Parade ? Is that R&B ? Controversy ? Around The World In A Day ? Lovesexy ? Also if you're going to disagree . Say why you disagree ? That way it's a discussion rather than a point scoring exercise. Considering where those albums get the most airplay, acceptance and recognition, the answer is yes...they're R & B. Didn't know that had to be explained. | |
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Zelaira said: I Don't Listen to D'ANGELO. I Happen to listen To R KELLY Much More SEX>>>>
.....with 12 year olds ! | |
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Actually, Prince likes D'Angelo's music. He even said so during a couple of interviews when Musicology came out. I remember him saying something like "I dig a lot of talented artists like Alicia Keys and ummmm and ummmm and ummmmm D...D'Angelo, I wonder when that brother is gonna put another album out"....
If prince inspired D'Angelo way back then, looks like Prince needs D'Angelo's inspiration for a change of pace in music.... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: pepper7 said: Parade ? Is that R&B ? Controversy ? Around The World In A Day ? Lovesexy ? Also if you're going to disagree . Say why you disagree ? That way it's a discussion rather than a point scoring exercise. Considering where those albums get the most airplay, acceptance and recognition, the answer is yes...they're R & B. Didn't know that had to be explained. Well considering I don't know where you live or what radio airwaves you're refering to then, yes, maybe an explanation would be good. It just seems to me you can't really back up your argument. It's easy to tell someone they're wrong. Harder to prove it. Shut up already, damn. | |
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ChristopherTracyParade said: BlaqueKnight said: The 3 Tonys were still doing newjack swing. Their singles were newjack swing-ish with the bounce beats. They incorporated soul but D'Angelo was the one to come along and do full on soul/jazz blends without bending to the curve of what was going on at the time. Sheesh!
[Edited 12/12/05 11:34am] Actually, 3T wasn't New Jack but in fact the Godfathers of Neo Soul which was largely - and falsely - credited to D'Angelo yet if you listen to 3T's Sons Of Soul you can hear the first inklings of the Neo Soul sound. Then to boot, Saadiq wrote "Lady" on D's Brown Sugar. ----- Thank You. I can't see how anybody would think 3T was New Jack Swing. | |
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freakyfeet said: Zelaira said: I Don't Listen to D'ANGELO. I Happen to listen To R KELLY Much More SEX>>>>
.....with 12 year olds !  
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