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PrintableTheMaster said: Bull said: Yea, like Wendy and Lisa have put out anything great in the last 16 years. Dude give it a rest. I like Wendy and Lisa but what make you think that there some kind of savior? Let it go.
Like Prince has, either... ----- He stuff has been better than W&L's. At least some portion of the record buying public purchased his post W&L productions. | |
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sosgemini said: BeautifulFrance said: I had TRC and the ONA tor to fulfill all my dreams. For me he has done it already. No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy. Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. and you were there, huh? let me guess: your susan rogers? look bub, wendy and lisa have stated they were around and contributed to some of those songs...but here is the kicker: prince removed their contributions...this is coming from the girls..so why do you keep saying, "w&l had no involvement in SOTT" is beyond me..heck, one song features The Revolution...need i say more? but thats not the point...the point is that wendy and lisa (and i would say sheila, the time, dez, andre, dr. fink, sonny t, tommy b) all challenged prince musically..they were his muses...they inspired him to be greater then he could have been on his own...so while wendy and lisa may not have had hands on contact with most of the music on SOTT they were still challenging prince...get it? theres an awesome thread in the associated artist section of the site that mentions how much better prince's Musicology shows were when The Time opened up for him..you should check it out...its synergy baby!!! ----- His show in D.C did not include the Time and they were incredible. I saw the Philly show with the Time and it did not really make a big a improvment on the show and even if it did we all know that P wrote all of the Time's material. You don't think P is challeged by having a really great backing band like he did on the Sign Of The Time and Lovesexy Tour or the Musicology tours. [Edited 12/11/05 11:48am] | |
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laurarichardson said: He stuff has been better than W&L's. opinion statement At least some portion of the record buying public purchased his post W&L productions.
factual statement...but when did sales become a berometer of quality? does that mean that 50cents and Mariah Carey actually had the best album this year? or that anne difranco is crap? Space for sale... | |
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: and you were there, huh? let me guess: your susan rogers? look bub, wendy and lisa have stated they were around and contributed to some of those songs...but here is the kicker: prince removed their contributions...this is coming from the girls..so why do you keep saying, "w&l had no involvement in SOTT" is beyond me..heck, one song features The Revolution...need i say more? but thats not the point...the point is that wendy and lisa (and i would say sheila, the time, dez, andre, dr. fink, sonny t, tommy b) all challenged prince musically..they were his muses...they inspired him to be greater then he could have been on his own...so while wendy and lisa may not have had hands on contact with most of the music on SOTT they were still challenging prince...get it? theres an awesome thread in the associated artist section of the site that mentions how much better prince's Musicology shows were when The Time opened up for him..you should check it out...its synergy baby!!! ----- His show in D.C did not include the Time and they were incredible. I saw the Philly show with the Time and it did not really make a big a improvment on the show and even if it did we all know that P wrote all of the Time's material. You think P is challeged by having a really great backing band like he did on the Sign Of The Time and Lovesexy Tour or the Musicology tours. thats not my observation..go check out the thread..i just commented that the disussion was being had. and sure, i think prince is challenged when on stage..thats why his stage shows are soo great..but his albums are lackluster because he is attempting to be a one man show...and doesnt have studio inspiration...IMHO. could be wrong..could be right....who knows? im just having fun with the discussion.. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: laurarichardson said: ----- His show in D.C did not include the Time and they were incredible. I saw the Philly show with the Time and it did not really make a big a improvment on the show and even if it did we all know that P wrote all of the Time's material. You think P is challeged by having a really great backing band like he did on the Sign Of The Time and Lovesexy Tour or the Musicology tours. thats not my observation..go check out the thread..i just commented that the disussion was being had. and sure, i think prince is challenged when on stage..thats why his stage shows are soo great..but his albums are lackluster because he is attempting to be a one man show...and doesnt have studio inspiration...IMHO. could be wrong..could be right....who knows? im just having fun with the discussion.. ----- I guess we have to agree to disagree. I just don't think Musicology is the worst CD recorded in P's career. I would have to give that to NPS. He still puts out experimental stuff and he still tries to do things that have mass appeal. After all you can't bitch about not selling records or not getting the proper marketing if the music is not accessible. In addtion, The first 5 CD's are one man affairs and I still listen to those CD s. | |
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sosgemini said: chiltonmusic said: I couldn't disagree more with anything I have read on here in a long while. Now I love W&L and I love what they brought to Prince but they did not produce the tracks and they did not write them. Now they contributed and those contributions were great but if they were so hot and did sooo much for Prince well I think they would be a little bigger on the music scene today. one thing we need to keep in mind is that the time when their style of music became hot (sheryl crow, alanis, sarah m) they were locked into a horrid contract with trevor horn....it lasted for seven years. then jonathans death happened...in interviews they stated they knew girbros was not going to be a big album..they purposely released on their own because they didnt feel comfortable exploiting his death. so in other words, shit happens. things seem to be changing for them now...the reason why wendy solo produced for the last year or so is because lisa was dealing with david's death but the two are in demand again...they have a lot of stuff in the works right now and lisa seems to really be enjoying herself on stage for the first time in her life..i wouldnt be suprised if they didnt make an attempt at a bigger splash when they release their new album. but they also really seem to have enjoyed the creative freedom that girlbros brought..so if they release music its going to be on their own terms...im excited...the new music is pure wendy and lisa... and they are big within the music industry..the fact that sheryl crow, alicia keyes, seal, prince, eric clapton, nikka costa and many others went to seem them is testiment of the support they have within the industry.. now popularity? thats another issue...but like teena marie before them and nikka costa after; its tuff for white chicks to soul out. ....same as it ever was. [Edited 12/10/05 18:59pm] Well fair enough. But I am addressing these irrational assertions that W&L made Prince not vice versa. Where as I believe them to be wonderful talents they aren't any bigger than Morris Day to me hell for that matter people might as well be saying Morris Day made 1999 so hot. I just think its foolish to call the students the teacher and in this case with these two, people seem to want to do that. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: I just think its foolish to call the students the teacher and in this case with these two, people seem to want to do that.
why? are they not right to their own opinion? to say that prince taught lisa anything would be kinda odd, no? after all, she came to him as a classically trained pianist... now, if prince plucked the two of them off the street and taught them how to play and what not then maybe i'd agree with you..but i get the impression all these folks learned about the power of music "together".. sure prince was the ringleader...he was the one that had it all together (looks, stage presence, charisma) but i dont have to dismiss or discredit prince's talent to appreciate wendy and lisa.. and lets be fair to the original statement within this post..the argument being made is not that wendy and lisa are better then prince but that "together" they rocked. big difference there..  Space for sale... | |
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AndreC said: BeautifulFrance said: I have been into hismusic since 1982 so I do not need you to attempt to lecture me on Prince and his music. You think TRC is shit...for me it is a masterpiece. And if you think Eroica and Girl Bros are masterpieces, you now I know your tatse is shit. I'm into Miles Davis, Sly Stone, Bernie Worell and co not into the crap you listen to.  I can see you respect other people's opinions.... I think Miles Davis and Sly Stone are great. Good for you! Oh by the way, can you please let me know where I said TRC is shit? Thanx  I confused you with someone else apparently (look above). And btw you did not respect my opinion in the first place so there you go...  Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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sosgemini said: BeautifulFrance said: I had TRC and the ONA tor to fulfill all my dreams. For me he has done it already. No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy. Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. and you were there, huh? let me guess: your susan rogers? look bub, wendy and lisa have stated they were around and contributed to some of those songs...but here is the kicker: prince removed their contributions...this is coming from the girls..so why do you keep saying, "w&l had no involvement in SOTT" is beyond me..heck, one song features The Revolution...need i say more? but thats not the point...the point is that wendy and lisa (and i would say sheila, the time, dez, andre, dr. fink, sonny t, tommy b) all challenged prince musically..they were his muses...they inspired him to be greater then he could have been on his own...so while wendy and lisa may not have had hands on contact with most of the music on SOTT they were still challenging prince...get it? theres an awesome thread in the associated artist section of the site that mentions how much better prince's Musicology shows were when The Time opened up for him..you should check it out...its synergy baby!!! They are talenetd and ok but I have enjoyed a lot more the contributions of Doctor Fink (whose influence has been a lot more important to me in the sound), Sheila E, Morris Day or Sonny T. Many fans reduce evertyhing to both of them. Funny none of their work has been as good as SOTT or 1999 or Black Album or Lovesexy or Dirty Mind or TRC... Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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sosgemini said: chiltonmusic said: I just think its foolish to call the students the teacher and in this case with these two, people seem to want to do that.
why? are they not right to their own opinion? to say that prince taught lisa anything would be kinda odd, no? after all, she came to him as a classically trained pianist... now, if prince plucked the two of them off the street and taught them how to play and what not then maybe i'd agree with you..but i get the impression all these folks learned about the power of music "together".. sure prince was the ringleader...he was the one that had it all together (looks, stage presence, charisma) but i dont have to dismiss or discredit prince's talent to appreciate wendy and lisa.. and lets be fair to the original statement within this post..the argument being made is not that wendy and lisa are better then prince but that "together" they rocked. big difference there.. Not true. The thread says Prince should beg them like if he could not do anything decent without them. Funny to see how some of you change the vocabulary that has been used for this thread in the first place.  [Edited 12/11/05 14:26pm] Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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The only thing Prince should call on is his Linn LM1 drum machine! I like and miss The Revolution as much as any1 else but he doesn't need L&W. Anybody remember the album 1999? | |
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throught the late 90/early '00's, i didnt want 2 jump on the prince should_____bandwagon. but after listening 2 a preview of this song..this might b the worst attempt at commercialism since arms of orion. i am not gonna cry about it. becuase other artists fulfill my musical needs the p used2. its a shame that it has came2 that. funk is dead! minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam | |
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Militant said: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] You don't know what the hell you're talking about. |
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sonofblade said: Wowugotit said: IF PRINCE HAD HALF A BRAIN LEFT, HE WOULD CALL WENDY AND LISA AND BEG FOR THEM TO WORK WITH HIM ON A NEW PROJECT. THEY WERE SO GREAT TOGETHER AND PRINCE'S MUSIC HAS BEEN ON A ONE-WAY TICKET TO SHITSVILLE SINCE 1990. PRINCE NEEDS TO BE ALERNATIVE AGAIN. DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CAUSE PEOPLE TO ZZZZZ OR ROLL THEIR EYES.
CALL YOUR FAMILY, PRINCE: 1. WENDY & LISA 2. Susannah 3. David Z. 4. Susan Rogers 5. Jill Jones 6. Sheila E. What about BrownMark, Dez, Andre Cymone, Rosie Gaines, Jesse Johnson, Levi? Actually he deosnt need to call anyone. I just had to get some people of coor in there who were more relevant to his career than the usual caucasian bias that always comes in the form of Wendy and Lisa being the saviours of Prince. Don't forget about Miko, too... The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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Wowugotit said:[quote] Militant said: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] You don't know what the hell you're talking about.[/quote Then that makes 2 of ya | |
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skywalker said: 1. WENDY & LISA
2. Susannah 3. David Z. 4. Susan Rogers 5. Jill Jones 6. Sheila E. All more famous, more successful, or well known because of Prince. Not the other way around. I would disagree with that statement applying to Sheila E. I think she was holding her own before meeting Prince (Krush Groove didn't have anything to do w/Prince, right?) Obviously, it didn't hurt her career to have Prince working with her on two albums, but I think she would have held her own even if they had never met.  The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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jone70 said: skywalker said: 1. WENDY & LISA
2. Susannah 3. David Z. 4. Susan Rogers 5. Jill Jones 6. Sheila E. All more famous, more successful, or well known because of Prince. Not the other way around. I would disagree with that statement applying to Sheila E. I think she was holding her own before meeting Prince (Krush Groove didn't have anything to do w/Prince, right?) Obviously, it didn't hurt her career to have Prince working with her on two albums, but I think she would have held her own even if they had never met. LOL.Sheiola was sent as Princes emissary for krush Groove. He only wrote Love Bizarre and HollyRock. Yeah she was a live band musician but u wouldn not have heard of her were it not for Prince. Come on now. She toured with Lionel yeah, and was in Runnin With The Night video, but she wouldn't be SHEILA E without Prince. | |
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DiamondGirl said: jone70 said: I would disagree with that statement applying to Sheila E. I think she was holding her own before meeting Prince (Krush Groove didn't have anything to do w/Prince, right?) Obviously, it didn't hurt her career to have Prince working with her on two albums, but I think she would have held her own even if they had never met. LOL.Sheiola was sent as Princes emissary for krush Groove. He only wrote Love Bizarre and HollyRock. Yeah she was a live band musician but u wouldn not have heard of her were it not for Prince. Come on now. She toured with Lionel yeah, and was in Runnin With The Night video, but she wouldn't be SHEILA E without Prince. I know he wrote Hollyrock & Love Bizarre... At any rate, she would still have been more famous than numbers 2-5 without Prince's involvement.  The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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sosgemini said: BeautifulFrance said: I had TRC and the ONA tor to fulfill all my dreams. For me he has done it already. No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy. Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. and you were there, huh? let me guess: your susan rogers? look bub, wendy and lisa have stated they were around and contributed to some of those songs...but here is the kicker: prince removed their contributions...this is coming from the girls..so why do you keep saying, "w&l had no involvement in SOTT" is beyond me..heck, one song features The Revolution...need i say more? but thats not the point...the point is that wendy and lisa (and i would say sheila, the time, dez, andre, dr. fink, sonny t, tommy b) all challenged prince musically..they were his muses...they inspired him to be greater then he could have been on his own...so while wendy and lisa may not have had hands on contact with most of the music on SOTT they were still challenging prince...get it? theres an awesome thread in the associated artist section of the site that mentions how much better prince's Musicology shows were when The Time opened up for him..you should check it out...its synergy baby!!! Prince wrote them songs, gave them to W&L, they did their thing, then he erased their work when they all split. What is on SOTT is Prince. Including the songs themselves. Susan Rogers sin't needed. Eavesdropping On Intimate Momemts is all that is. [Edited 12/11/05 18:05pm] | |
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jone70 said: DiamondGirl said: LOL.Sheiola was sent as Princes emissary for krush Groove. He only wrote Love Bizarre and HollyRock. Yeah she was a live band musician but u wouldn not have heard of her were it not for Prince. Come on now. She toured with Lionel yeah, and was in Runnin With The Night video, but she wouldn't be SHEILA E without Prince. I know he wrote Hollyrock & Love Bizarre... At any rate, she would still have been more famous than numbers 2-5 without Prince's involvement. I dont know about that because before she and prince connected she played a backup drummer for numerous bands included Lionel Richie and George Duke. Prince was the one who suggested Sheila E to become an artist because I dont think Sheila had intention on being an artist. If she and Prince never met she probably wouldn't be Sheila E the artist. To this day, Sheila E enjoys being a musican period rather than an artist. Would she be famous if she have been a backup drummer that is hard to tell, but she might get some recognition since not too many women does that job. | |
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Gotta agree about Sheila, her solo career as a pop act definately started with Prince, she got thrust into that MTV world, and I can see if that's not really what you wanted or thought about, that it would be nice, but soon lose it's appeal, or value.
She wouldn't be Sheila E. without Prince, her material and look was modelled on being the female Prince (kind of like Vanity was for the Contro/1999 era). We all saw her Morris Day/Jamie Starr routine in Krush Groove right? It was essential car crash viewing - you knew it was wrong, but you couldn't.... stop.... looking..... 
It's kinda funny that out of all the talented people and proteges Prince has worked with, probably the one who has escaped his shadow the most and carved a successful name and commercial career for themselves, independent of Prince's influence, is Carmen Electra! [Edited 12/11/05 18:45pm] | |
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NouveauDance said: It's kinda funny that out of all the talented people and proteges Prince has worked with, probably the one who has escaped his shadow the most and carved a successful name and commercial career for themselves, independent of Prince's influence, is Carmen Electra!
[Edited 12/11/05 18:45pm] I'm actually kind of happy about that. Her plastic surgeon and Dennis Rodman deserve the credit for that! | |
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Militant said: vainandy said: "Sign O The Times" was a disappointment to me at the time also but it was definately stronger than "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade". I see your point though and totally agree. at the time? what about now? Actually, it's still a kind of disappointment even though I like every track on the album. The reason is because he could have made a much more strong album like either "Dirty Mind", "Controversy", or "1999" while that sound was still hot. If he were to release something like that today, it wouldn't sell so now we will probably never get anything like that again. My disappointment with Prince was with every album of the entire late 1980s. He ended a really wild party five years too soon. "Sign O The Times" would have been a wonderful album to have come out in the 1990s and I wouldn't have been disappointed at all. I would have welcomed it and even "Around The World In A Day" with open arms. I would have been calling them "the best albums of the 1990s". I still would have pissed on several tracks on "Parade" in the 1990s because I absolutely hate elevator music.
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BeautifulFrance said: I confused you with someone else apparently (look above). And btw you did not respect my opinion in the first place so there you go...
Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I've not been respectful of your opinions. Calling my music taste 'crap', well.... As one door closes, another opens... | |
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AndreC said: BeautifulFrance said: I confused you with someone else apparently (look above). And btw you did not respect my opinion in the first place so there you go...
Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I've not been respectful of your opinions. Calling my music taste 'crap', well.... That was mean and unfair, wasn't it mate ?!!! 
Peace ! Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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NouveauDance said: Gotta agree about Sheila, her solo career as a pop act definately started with Prince, she got thrust into that MTV world, and I can see if that's not really what you wanted or thought about, that it would be nice, but soon lose it's appeal, or value.
She wouldn't be Sheila E. without Prince, her material and look was modelled on being the female Prince (kind of like Vanity was for the Contro/1999 era). We all saw her Morris Day/Jamie Starr routine in Krush Groove right? It was essential car crash viewing - you knew it was wrong, but you couldn't.... stop.... looking.....
It's kinda funny that out of all the talented people and proteges Prince has worked with, probably the one who has escaped his shadow the most and carved a successful name and commercial career for themselves, independent of Prince's influence, is Carmen Electra!
[Edited 12/11/05 18:45pm] One might consider more saad than funny - Carmen is famous for being a celebrity slut (Mayte was trying to do the same by baging another celeb after Prince but it didnt work) - everyone knows she cant sing or act. No one is supporting her career because of her talent. | |
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