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PrintableAsianBomb777 said: Well, WENDY AND LISA were a loss, but Tony M. was leaving created a void in his career he's never been able to fill.
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Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] |
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moderatorMilitant said: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] I love you! | |
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Cloudbuster said: BeautifulFrance said: Not true. Part of his best music. Some of many fans' favourites stuff were made without them like Dirty Mind, 1999, SOTT and the absolute masterpiece TRC. And even when they were in the band, some of my favourites tunes have no W&L involvment like When doves cry or Tambourine.  Ok, the period when Wendy & Lisa were around was when he made his most vibrant, colourful and adventurous music. Their influence spilled over into SOTT even if they weren't involved on the actual released tracks. I'll give you Dirty Mind & 1999 as they're both great albums (and didn't W&L have some input in the latter?) but TRC is shit. That's cool! So Wendy and Lisa even were responsible for Prince's music on records they did not even play one note on!   | |
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Cloudbuster said: DavidEye said: Prince does not need Wendy and Lisa.He never did.He's made great music before them and after them.
But he made his best music with them. I don't think so but again that YOUR opinion.  [Edited 12/10/05 12:07pm] | |
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Militant said: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] Preach on.  | |
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EmancipationLover said: Cloudbuster said: Ok, the period when Wendy & Lisa were around was when he made his most vibrant, colourful and adventurous music. Their influence spilled over into SOTT even if they weren't involved on the actual released tracks. I'll give you Dirty Mind & 1999 as they're both great albums (and didn't W&L have some input in the latter?) but TRC is shit. That's cool! So Wendy and Lisa even were responsible for Prince's music on records they did not even play one note on!  Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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sonofblade said: What about BrownMark, Dez, Andre Cymone, Rosie Gaines, Jesse Johnson, Levi? Actually he deosnt need to call anyone. I just had to get some people of color in there who were more relevant to his career than the usual caucasian bias that always comes in the form of Wendy and Lisa being the saviours of Prince.
Oh man... I guess I understand where you are coming from on a level, but I hate that sentiment. I'm gagga for Wendy and Lisa's work on Prince's stuff. I think they were his best working partners, period. It has nothing to do with the fact that they were white skinned, it really doesn't. You also conveniently ignore that that person had Shelia E. in their list, who is, of course, a person of color. [Edited 12/10/05 12:43pm] | |
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BeautifulFrance said: EmancipationLover said: That's cool! So Wendy and Lisa even were responsible for Prince's music on records they did not even play one note on! | |
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Wowugotit said:[quote]PRINCE'S MUSIC HAS BEEN ON A ONE-WAY TICKET TO SHITSVILLE[quote]
didn't he stop off to buy some laxative pills pre New Power Soul? |
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EmancipationLover said: Cloudbuster said: Ok, the period when Wendy & Lisa were around was when he made his most vibrant, colourful and adventurous music. Their influence spilled over into SOTT even if they weren't involved on the actual released tracks. I'll give you Dirty Mind & 1999 as they're both great albums (and didn't W&L have some input in the latter?) but TRC is shit. That's cool! So Wendy and Lisa even were responsible for Prince's music on records they did not even play one note on! It's not exactly true. Some of the songs of SOTT are born as a collaboration between Prince and the girls and then reworked after the Revolution were disbanded. Regarding Dirty Mind and 1999, Lisa was already part of Prince's band at the time and I think she played more than one note on them!! Generally speaking, I wouldn't dismiss W&L so easily. They are not just very good musicians but also great producers who knows very well their job. As one door closes, another opens... | |
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TheBigBang said: SexyBeautifulOne said: So!! Did it sell? Can Lisa and Wendy by themselves, sell out Madison Square Garden or The Staple Center? Outside of their "die-hard fans", who even remembers they were in The Revolution, much less know what they did after they left? Don't get me wrong, I like the girls and loved what they did as part of The Revolution but touting them as Prince's musical saving grace, just doesn't fly. But, it's not even supposed to be about that, selling out arenas and whatnot. Being an artist has nothing to do with that. I don't think he really needs Wendy and Lisa at this point, but I would be doing a happy dance if he ever did decide to do something with them again. I would actually enjoy that myself. I love a good reunion and I'm quite sure I'd be over-joyed with a complete Prince and The Revolution one. I just don't subscribe to the notion that Prince NEEDS to get back with Lisa and Wendy because without THEM, his music sucks and he's gone downhill. The post I was replying to stated that Lisa and Wendy have artistically and creatively gotten better over the years and Prince hasn't, citing Girl Bros as proof because it received excellent critical reviews. I was just pointing out that in the music BUSINESS, reviews mean nothing, SALES are what counts. [Edited 12/10/05 13:31pm] | |
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AndreC said: EmancipationLover said: That's cool! So Wendy and Lisa even were responsible for Prince's music on records they did not even play one note on! It's not exactly true. Some of the songs of SOTT are born as a collaboration between Prince and the girls and then reworked after the Revolution were disbanded. Regarding Dirty Mind and 1999, Lisa was already part of Prince's band at the time and I think she played more than one note on them!! Generally speaking, I wouldn't dismiss W&L so easily. They are not just very good musicians but also great producers who knows very well their job. Not true. Prince was known to work on his own in his studio for hours and hours without any contact whatsoever with his musicians. Tambourine is one good example. he came up with the recording and told the band "that's a new song". Prince has always enjoyed being a one man's band and to work on his own. Regarding SOTT, sorry but this is bullshit. It does not sound anyway like anything W&L would come up with contrary to most of th emusic there is on ATWIAD where they have had a lot of influence. Housequake for instance is 500% a Prince tune neither W&L could ever come up with. The girls are great but many fans exagerate their influence on Prince. Guys like Morris Day or Ricky peterson have influenced Prince a lot more than them musically speaking.  Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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BeautifulFrance said: Not true. Prince was known to work on his own in his studio for hours and hours without any contact whatsoever with his musicians. Tambourine is one good example. he came up with the recording and told the band "that's a new song".
What about Pop Life, Mountains, Sometimes it snows in April, Around the World in day, Power fantastic? They are all tunes not originally penned by Prince. Lots of the material intended for Dream Factory have been produced in strong collaboration with Wendy and Lisa (especially when Prince was too busy filming Under the cherry moon in France) Regarding SOTT, sorry but this is bullshit. It does not sound anyway like anything W&L would come up with contrary to most of th emusic there is on ATWIAD where they have had a lot of influence. Housequake for instance is 500% a Prince tune neither W&L could ever come up with.
Yeah, Housequake is pure Prince, but how would you describe Strange Relationship, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee or I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man? As one door closes, another opens... | |
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AndreC said: BeautifulFrance said: Not true. Prince was known to work on his own in his studio for hours and hours without any contact whatsoever with his musicians. Tambourine is one good example. he came up with the recording and told the band "that's a new song".
What about Pop Life, Mountains, Sometimes it snows in April, Around the World in day, Power fantastic? They are all tunes not originally penned by Prince. Lots of the material intended for Dream Factory have been produced in strong collaboration with Wendy and Lisa (especially when Prince was too busy filming Under the cherry moon in France) Regarding SOTT, sorry but this is bullshit. It does not sound anyway like anything W&L would come up with contrary to most of th emusic there is on ATWIAD where they have had a lot of influence. Housequake for instance is 500% a Prince tune neither W&L could ever come up with.
Yeah, Housequake is pure Prince, but how would you describe Strange Relationship, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee or I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man? None of the tunes you mention above sounds like something like W&L would have written. ATIAD and Parade have been influenced by the Revolution as well along with many other artists. Soon you're gonna pretend the Beatles and Bob Dylan owe everything to W&L. Moreover why have they not (after leaving Prince) never managed to come up themselves with a masterpiece like SOTT or the Black Album or Lovesexy, uh ? Weird cuz they had the opportunity to show the whole wide world they were the real geniuses and not Prince. The truth is I oike heir stuff but there is nothing groundbreaking or that would qualify "genius" in their music. I love their arrangements and they are very talnted. Full stop. Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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BeautifulFrance said: Moreover why have they not (after leaving Prince) never managed to come up themselves with a masterpiece like SOTT or the Black Album or Lovesexy, uh ? Weird cuz they had the opportunity to show the whole wide world they were the real geniuses and not Prince. The truth is I oike heir stuff but there is nothing groundbreaking or that would qualify "genius" in their music. I love their arrangements and they are very talnted. Full stop. they are people who influence prince significantly. paisley park, wonderful day, hello, wonderful ass, i wonder u, strange relationship... loads more. they don't need to have submitted a 'masterpiece' (Lovesexy?) to have creadibility. their co - writing/production/influence is all that's needed to steer Prince into more fruitful, self-challenging directions and open his mind a little. Thats what prince is lacking in all his output (mainly) from 88. the evidence is there all to hear. |
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BeautifulFrance said: AndreC said: Yeah, Housequake is pure Prince, but how would you describe Strange Relationship, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee or I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man? None of the tunes you mention above sounds like something like W&L would have written. ATIAD and Parade have been influenced by the Revolution as well along with many other artists. Soon you're gonna pretend the Beatles and Bob Dylan owe everything to W&L. Moreover why have they not (after leaving Prince) never managed to come up themselves with a masterpiece like SOTT or the Black Album or Lovesexy, uh ? Weird cuz they had the opportunity to show the whole wide world they were the real geniuses and not Prince. The truth is I oike heir stuff but there is nothing groundbreaking or that would qualify "genius" in their music. I love their arrangements and they are very talnted. Full stop. If you knew something more about Prince and his music you would agree with me about the fact that several of SOTT songs have been originally written/produced/performed with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. Secondly I call albums like 'Eroica' or 'Girl Bros' masterpieces. Ok, they have not been commercial successes but you can be sure they are much better than lots of shit Prince has produced over the years. I'm not saying Wendy and Lisa are the reason of Prince fame, but they undoubtedly had a strong influence on Prince music at least between 1983 and 1986. ... and, please, leave The Beatles and Dylan alone.... [Edited 12/10/05 16:05pm] As one door closes, another opens... | |
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AndreC said: I'm not saying Wendy and Lisa are the reason of Prince fame, but they undoubtedly had a strong influence on Prince music at least between 1983 and 1986.
You mean 1985 to 1986. They had nothing to do with 1999 and next to nothing with Purple Rain. Around the world in a day and parade were the start of his decline and Dream factory would've sealed it. Those two should just stay gone. | |
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BeautifulFrance said: AndreC said: It's not exactly true. Some of the songs of SOTT are born as a collaboration between Prince and the girls and then reworked after the Revolution were disbanded. Regarding Dirty Mind and 1999, Lisa was already part of Prince's band at the time and I think she played more than one note on them!! Generally speaking, I wouldn't dismiss W&L so easily. They are not just very good musicians but also great producers who knows very well their job. Not true. Prince was known to work on his own in his studio for hours and hours without any contact whatsoever with his musicians. Tambourine is one good example. he came up with the recording and told the band "that's a new song". Prince has always enjoyed being a one man's band and to work on his own. Regarding SOTT, sorry but this is bullshit. It does not sound anyway like anything W&L would come up with contrary to most of th emusic there is on ATWIAD where they have had a lot of influence. Housequake for instance is 500% a Prince tune neither W&L could ever come up with. The girls are great but many fans exagerate their influence on Prince. Guys like Morris Day or Ricky peterson have influenced Prince a lot more than them musically speaking. wendy and lisa have stated on the record that they contributed to the songs on SOTT...but prince removed their contributions.. i think the key for me is that wendy and lisa were prince's best muses....he felt challenged by them..lets not ignore that he admitted this himself..he was competing with them and within this competition came some of his greatest work... thats why i love the wendy and lisa time period...and the same for the first npg time period...he was energized..his music had momentum...not its just there...flat. but i have faith one day he will reenergize himself..look at neil diamond..the guy was a laughing stoke..folks considered him a joke because they had forgotten all the great music he created before he went down the shitter..now his legacy has been restored with one album. prince will get the jonze again one day..it might be w/ 3121..it may or may not be with wendy and lisa's output..but it will happen again... thats why i stick around... Space for sale... | |
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Wowugotit said: IF PRINCE HAD HALF A BRAIN LEFT, HE WOULD CALL WENDY AND LISA AND BEG FOR THEM TO WORK WITH HIM ON A NEW PROJECT. THEY WERE SO GREAT TOGETHER AND PRINCE'S MUSIC HAS BEEN ON A ONE-WAY TICKET TO SHITSVILLE SINCE 1990. PRINCE NEEDS TO BE ALERNATIVE AGAIN. DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CAUSE PEOPLE TO ZZZZZ OR ROLL THEIR EYES.
CALL YOUR FAMILY, PRINCE: 1. WENDY & LISA 2. Susannah 3. David Z. 4. Susan Rogers 5. Jill Jones 6. Sheila E. I couldn't disagree more with anything I have read on here in a long while. Now I love W&L and I love what they brought to Prince but they did not produce the tracks and they did not write them. Now they contributed and those contributions were great but if they were so hot and did sooo much for Prince well I think they would be a little bigger on the music scene today. Also you are going to ignore all the music of the 90's and 2000's? That's a might bold statement but hey everyone has their opinion. I wouldn't hate Insatiable, Soul Sancturary, My Computer, Cream, Gett Off, 2tha9's And God Created Woman, 7, Shhh, I hate U, I mean the list goes on..... THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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And they Ain't sweating prince they still WORK and do The CROSSING JORDAN MUSIC and shows as does Shelia...They aren'T caring Man... Why does anybody here Care? | |
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chiltonmusic said: Wowugotit said: IF PRINCE HAD HALF A BRAIN LEFT, HE WOULD CALL WENDY AND LISA AND BEG FOR THEM TO WORK WITH HIM ON A NEW PROJECT. THEY WERE SO GREAT TOGETHER AND PRINCE'S MUSIC HAS BEEN ON A ONE-WAY TICKET TO SHITSVILLE SINCE 1990. PRINCE NEEDS TO BE ALERNATIVE AGAIN. DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CAUSE PEOPLE TO ZZZZZ OR ROLL THEIR EYES.
CALL YOUR FAMILY, PRINCE: 1. WENDY & LISA 2. Susannah 3. David Z. 4. Susan Rogers 5. Jill Jones 6. Sheila E. I couldn't disagree more with anything I have read on here in a long while. Now I love W&L and I love what they brought to Prince but they did not produce the tracks and they did not write them. Now they contributed and those contributions were great but if they were so hot and did sooo much for Prince well I think they would be a little bigger on the music scene today. one thing we need to keep in mind is that the time when their style of music became hot (sheryl crow, alanis, sarah m) they were locked into a horrid contract with trevor horn....it lasted for seven years. then jonathans death happened...in interviews they stated they knew girbros was not going to be a big album..they purposely released on their own because they didnt feel comfortable exploiting his death. so in other words, shit happens. things seem to be changing for them now...the reason why wendy solo produced for the last year or so is because lisa was dealing with david's death but the two are in demand again...they have a lot of stuff in the works right now and lisa seems to really be enjoying herself on stage for the first time in her life..i wouldnt be suprised if they didnt make an attempt at a bigger splash when they release their new album. but they also really seem to have enjoyed the creative freedom that girlbros brought..so if they release music its going to be on their own terms...im excited...the new music is pure wendy and lisa... and they are big within the music industry..the fact that sheryl crow, alicia keyes, seal, prince, eric clapton, nikka costa and many others went to seem them is testiment of the support they have within the industry.. now popularity? thats another issue...but like teena marie before them and nikka costa after; its tuff for white chicks to soul out. ....same as it ever was. [Edited 12/10/05 18:59pm] Space for sale... | |
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Militant said: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 had virtually no artistic input from Lisa, Purple Rain had a small amount from W&L, these are CLASSIC albums. Then Wendy & Lisa got more involved and we ended up with 1960's throwbacks on ATWIAD and elevator music on Parade. Then they leave, and guess what? Prince makes another classic album (sign o the times) virtually ON HIS OWN.
Anyone who thinks Prince NEEDS W&L should grow up. Prince don't need nobody. [Edited 12/10/05 11:35am] "Sign O The Times" was a disappointment to me at the time also but it was definately stronger than "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade". I see your point though and totally agree. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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AndreC said: BeautifulFrance said: None of the tunes you mention above sounds like something like W&L would have written. ATIAD and Parade have been influenced by the Revolution as well along with many other artists. Soon you're gonna pretend the Beatles and Bob Dylan owe everything to W&L. Moreover why have they not (after leaving Prince) never managed to come up themselves with a masterpiece like SOTT or the Black Album or Lovesexy, uh ? Weird cuz they had the opportunity to show the whole wide world they were the real geniuses and not Prince. The truth is I oike heir stuff but there is nothing groundbreaking or that would qualify "genius" in their music. I love their arrangements and they are very talnted. Full stop. If you knew something more about Prince and his music you would agree with me about the fact that several of SOTT songs have been originally written/produced/performed with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. Secondly I call albums like 'Eroica' or 'Girl Bros' masterpieces. Ok, they have not been commercial successes but you can be sure they are much better than lots of shit Prince has produced over the years. I'm not saying Wendy and Lisa are the reason of Prince fame, but they undoubtedly had a strong influence on Prince music at least between 1983 and 1986. ... and, please, leave The Beatles and Dylan alone.... [Edited 12/10/05 16:05pm] I have been into hismusic since 1982 so I do not need you to attempt to lecture me on Prince and his music. You think TRC is shit...for me it is a masterpiece. And if you think Eroica and Girl Bros are masterpieces, you now I know your tatse is shit. I'm into Miles Davis, Sly Stone, Bernie Worell and co not into the crap you listen to. Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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sosgemini said: BeautifulFrance said: Not true. Prince was known to work on his own in his studio for hours and hours without any contact whatsoever with his musicians. Tambourine is one good example. he came up with the recording and told the band "that's a new song". Prince has always enjoyed being a one man's band and to work on his own. Regarding SOTT, sorry but this is bullshit. It does not sound anyway like anything W&L would come up with contrary to most of th emusic there is on ATWIAD where they have had a lot of influence. Housequake for instance is 500% a Prince tune neither W&L could ever come up with. The girls are great but many fans exagerate their influence on Prince. Guys like Morris Day or Ricky peterson have influenced Prince a lot more than them musically speaking. wendy and lisa have stated on the record that they contributed to the songs on SOTT...but prince removed their contributions.. i think the key for me is that wendy and lisa were prince's best muses....he felt challenged by them..lets not ignore that he admitted this himself..he was competing with them and within this competition came some of his greatest work... thats why i love the wendy and lisa time period...and the same for the first npg time period...he was energized..his music had momentum...not its just there...flat. but i have faith one day he will reenergize himself..look at neil diamond..the guy was a laughing stoke..folks considered him a joke because they had forgotten all the great music he created before he went down the shitter..now his legacy has been restored with one album. prince will get the jonze again one day..it might be w/ 3121..it may or may not be with wendy and lisa's output..but it will happen again... thats why i stick around... I had TRC and the ONA tor to fulfill all my dreams. For me he has done it already. No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy. Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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BeautifulFrance said: AndreC said: If you knew something more about Prince and his music you would agree with me about the fact that several of SOTT songs have been originally written/produced/performed with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah. Secondly I call albums like 'Eroica' or 'Girl Bros' masterpieces. Ok, they have not been commercial successes but you can be sure they are much better than lots of shit Prince has produced over the years. I'm not saying Wendy and Lisa are the reason of Prince fame, but they undoubtedly had a strong influence on Prince music at least between 1983 and 1986. ... and, please, leave The Beatles and Dylan alone.... [Edited 12/10/05 16:05pm] I have been into hismusic since 1982 so I do not need you to attempt to lecture me on Prince and his music. You think TRC is shit...for me it is a masterpiece. And if you think Eroica and Girl Bros are masterpieces, you now I know your tatse is shit. I'm into Miles Davis, Sly Stone, Bernie Worell and co not into the crap you listen to. I can see you respect other people's opinions.... I think Miles Davis and Sly Stone are great. Good for you! Oh by the way, can you please let me know where I said TRC is shit? Thanx  As one door closes, another opens... | |
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AndreC said: Oh by the way, can you please let me know where I said TRC is shit? Thanx
It was me who said TRC is shit. | |
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BeautifulFrance said: sosgemini said: wendy and lisa have stated on the record that they contributed to the songs on SOTT...but prince removed their contributions.. i think the key for me is that wendy and lisa were prince's best muses....he felt challenged by them..lets not ignore that he admitted this himself..he was competing with them and within this competition came some of his greatest work... thats why i love the wendy and lisa time period...and the same for the first npg time period...he was energized..his music had momentum...not its just there...flat. but i have faith one day he will reenergize himself..look at neil diamond..the guy was a laughing stoke..folks considered him a joke because they had forgotten all the great music he created before he went down the shitter..now his legacy has been restored with one album. prince will get the jonze again one day..it might be w/ 3121..it may or may not be with wendy and lisa's output..but it will happen again... thats why i stick around... I had TRC and the ONA tor to fulfill all my dreams. For me he has done it already. No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy. Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. and you were there, huh? let me guess: your susan rogers? look bub, wendy and lisa have stated they were around and contributed to some of those songs...but here is the kicker: prince removed their contributions...this is coming from the girls..so why do you keep saying, "w&l had no involvement in SOTT" is beyond me..heck, one song features The Revolution...need i say more? but thats not the point...the point is that wendy and lisa (and i would say sheila, the time, dez, andre, dr. fink, sonny t, tommy b) all challenged prince musically..they were his muses...they inspired him to be greater then he could have been on his own...so while wendy and lisa may not have had hands on contact with most of the music on SOTT they were still challenging prince...get it? theres an awesome thread in the associated artist section of the site that mentions how much better prince's Musicology shows were when The Time opened up for him..you should check it out...its synergy baby!!! Space for sale... | |
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BeautifulFrance said: No W&L did not involve in SOTT like thy did between 1994 and 1986. SOTT is Prince doing his one man band thingy.
A copy of The Vault or DMSR would stand you in good stead I think. BeautifulFrance said: Do not expect anything from 3121. From what I har it seems to be another Musicology. Based on what? A 30 second sample of the lead single?  | |
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vainandy said: "Sign O The Times" was a disappointment to me at the time also but it was definately stronger than "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade". I see your point though and totally agree. at the time? what about now? |
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