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Reply #60 posted 12/09/05 11:38pm

suomynona

CinisterCee said:

Any thought as to why I still haven't heard First Avenue?

don't know. i haven't either smile
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Reply #61 posted 12/10/05 1:35pm

CinisterCee

suomynona said:

CinisterCee said:

Any thought as to why I still haven't heard First Avenue?

don't know. i haven't either smile


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Reply #62 posted 12/10/05 5:24pm

suomynona

CinisterCee said:

suomynona said:


don't know. i haven't either smile


"Bullshit!" smile - Prince ("Housequake")

no, really... i haven't smile
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Reply #63 posted 12/10/05 11:36pm

Thunderbird

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suomynona said:

superspaceboy said:

He will be very rich if he waits to do it himself.

yeah, he'll be able to buy 77 walkers with all of that money.

it's a good thing there are artists like joni mitchell who care more about their art than "being #1 at the bank."

Not being #1 at the bank is different than someone else being #1 at the bank because of what you did. Not that that isn't what I do every day at my job. I'm just sayin'.

Also, I have tons and tons of boots myself, and they're great to keep a fan insterested in between LP's. I prefer the quality of his official releases. I like having the different perspective of an early version, or what else he was doing at the time, but not as a primary listen. Prince has always struck me as the one artist in my collection whose singles are among his strongest work. Martika demos over anything from Parade? Are you kidding me?
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Reply #64 posted 12/11/05 2:52am

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suomynona said:

Universaluv said:



generalities on such a subjective topic is shaky territory. neutral

i can't speak for KAB, but i for one was quite clear in what i was saying. if not, then i'll say it again. i'll take the following boots over anything released post-1989:

and most of the 2nd celebration.

there might be more, but those are all i can think of off the top of my head.


You mean the 2nd Celebration in 2001?

I would have thought most would have opted for recordings from the 3rd ('Xenophobia') over the 2nd ('Prince: The Rainbow Children') - or just a slip?

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Reply #65 posted 12/11/05 3:13am

suomynona

langebleu said:

I would have thought most would have opted for recordings from the 3rd ('Xenophobia') over the 2nd ('Prince: The Rainbow Children') - or just a slip?

you're correct. i don't recall there being 3, but i'll take your word for it smile
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Reply #66 posted 12/11/05 10:39am

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Prince has played "bootleg" a few times: The horrible VHS bootleg quality of The Beautiful Experience tv special he sold through his club (what a fiasco, I almost think he calculated that as revenge against everyone buying bootlegs), the labeling of Crystal Ball with the text: "bootleg" (so cheesy, for prince to jokingly bottle the bootleg mystique)... the secret creation of "The Undertaker" project as a cd, which Warners then ordered destroyed...

any others come to mind? Black Album I'm afraid, I believe, was UNintentionally bootleged. He did even reuse a song from it for the album he did release. I don't think he intended for Black Album to get around like that, but I think he thought it was very cool when it did and then incorporated it into his thang.

tripp said:

has anyone else ever thought that some artist may be letting matterial leak out of studio's so that their fans can get it.
like forinstance, warner brothers didn't like some of their artist to put too much music out.
i wonder how many artist actually allow it secretly so us fans can have it because of this reason.
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Reply #67 posted 12/11/05 11:03pm

psykosoul

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Reply #68 posted 12/12/05 12:54am

kpowers

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Anxiety said:

i can believe that at one time, prince may have experimented with letting some of his outtakes leak just to see what would happen, and perhaps to send a message to WB, or perhaps just because he actually believed all the "free the music" stuff he was talking about during the thick of the symbol years.

i KNOW that he is fully aware of how familiar his fanbase is with his bootleggage, because at one of his celebrations fans were asked to provide suggested tracks for a "crystal ball 2". how could people make suggestions if they didn't have bootlegged demos?

anyway, i think anyone as legendary and prolific as prince is gonna leave a trail of bootlegs over the years. most established artists are aware of this, and most of them seem generally unbothered by it. heck, deadheads build a huge part of their culture around trading live boots.

yeah I kinda agree with you there
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Reply #69 posted 12/12/05 1:45am

KAB

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suomynona said:

KAB:

With the exception of Rave and NPS - I listen to ALL post 1990 albums more than ANY bootleg.


moonshine:

a silly comparison between one of Prince weakest studio albums and one of his best aftershows.


i couldn't agree more, the two shouldn't be compared... yet that's what KAB said... hence my response.

the only person who would rather listen to anything officially released post-1990 simply hasn't heard very many bootlegs. (if any at all.)


My comment above was a direct response to a comment made by you, suomynona.

I wasn't comparing Rave or NPS with any bootleg, whether I've heard it or not, merely saying I prefer listening to most of Prince's post 1990 releases to any bootleg aftershow.

Just out of interest - why are all these bootlegs mentioned better than the 90s and not the 80s output?
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Reply #70 posted 12/13/05 2:47am

suomynona

KAB said:

Just out of interest - why are all these bootlegs mentioned better than the 90s and not the 80s output?

because most of the post-90s output is shite.
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Reply #71 posted 12/13/05 3:06am

KAB

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suomynona said:

KAB said:

Just out of interest - why are all these bootlegs mentioned better than the 90s and not the 80s output?

because most of the post-90s output is shite.


I'll concede most of Emancipation, Crystal Ball, Karma and most certainly NPS and Rave but nothing before or after that.

Just curious: post 1990s we're talking more than half of Prince's career, if every album after 1989 was such a disappointment or you disliked it so much how come you're still here?
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Reply #72 posted 12/13/05 5:13am

suomynona

KAB said:

suomynona said:


because most of the post-90s output is shite.


I'll concede most of Emancipation, Crystal Ball, Karma and most certainly NPS and Rave but nothing before or after that.

Just curious: post 1990s we're talking more than half of Prince's career, if every album after 1989 was such a disappointment or you disliked it so much how come you're still here?

that's not what i said. compared to his pre-89 material, his post-88 material is nowhere near as good. prince went from setting trends... to trying to fit in with them (see "rap".) therefore, if forced to choose, i'd choose aftershows over anything he has released officially after 1988.

why am i still here? because he occasionally still shows signs of brilliance in the studio. thankfully his live performances make you forgive what many consider straight up garbage that he's released in the last 17 years.
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Reply #73 posted 12/13/05 9:24am

tripp

i have some beautiful soundboard recordings of
every concert tour from 1979-1988 and then others
from 1991-1993 and some of those, i listen to more
than the actual album it's self. just because of the
little extra bits he adds to a show.
like someone said earlier, many of us
hardcore fams are going to buy the offical release
when it comes out, whether we have it bootlegged
or not.
i currently have over 200 cd's of prince alone
plus all the vinyl stuff. and have recently added
the japanese version of every offical cd on the
market to my collection (just to have to obi strip)
now i'm trying to locate all the japanese vinyl.
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Reply #74 posted 12/14/05 6:38am

suomynona

tripp said:

i currently have over 200 cd's of prince alone

well, here's what 530 prince cds looks like.
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Reply #75 posted 12/14/05 8:26am

psykosoul

suomynona said:


why am i still here? because he occasionally still shows signs of brilliance in the studio. thankfully his live performances make you forgive what many consider straight up garbage that he's released in the last 17 years.


how much of that garbage is in your collection of 530 cds that you have displayed so proudly? evillol
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Reply #76 posted 12/14/05 9:01am

tripp

AWSOME COLLETION.
SOME OF THOSE JAPANESE ONES
LOOKED AS THROUGH THEY WERE
REPEATED ALITTLE BIT THOUGH.
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Reply #77 posted 12/14/05 9:05am

tripp

WHEN I SAY, THE AMOUNT OF CDS I HAVE, IM NOT
COUNTING 3 OR 4 OF EACH ITEM.
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