Early Prince Rock N Roll Purple Rain Prince played on TOP 40 stations like Z100. Sign O times ERa played on KissFM and WBLS NYC.... Slow Jams played on Quiet STORM WBLS and his Jazz played on CD 101.5. Early videos played on MTV when it was Rock...Now it's RAP.... BET always played PRINCe..Now Prince on VH-1. Prince R and B and Jazz.....SENSUAL GROOVEs... | |
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brothaluv said: CreamyThighs said: I blame hip hop for the way R&B sucks today. The materlism and mysoginy (sp?) of hip hop seeped into R&B about 10 years ago and it's been the worse for it ever since.
You are so right! Hip hop has wreaked havoc on R & B! It's monopolized the industry and makes it difficult for any real audience to break through. John Legend, Jill Scot, Angie Stone, IndiaArie are exceptions rather than the rule. Hip hop IS NOT to blame - corporate America is the blame, these companies that wanna please the general pop audience. Cause even hiphop itself has been sabotaged. | |
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pepper7 said: vainandy said: Well, I preferred the days when radio stations were segregated. The reason is each genre was stronger because of it.
On R&B stations, you only heard funk and R&B with an occassional rap song being played. However, the only rap played on these stations, was the kind that fit in and flowed well with the funk on the stations. As rap grew and swayed further away from funk, it had it's own underground audience and eventually it's own seperate stations in some areas. It was no threat to killing off funk or R&B and both funk and rap/hip hop fans were happy in their own little separate worlds. Actually, the problem started before hip hop merged with R&B. It started in the mid 1980s when R&B artists purposely tried to crossover to pop radio. It takes a lot of watering down to cross over to pop because pop listeners at the time didn't usually like something if they considered it "too black". Look at funk from 1985 to 1989 compared to 1980 to 1984.....the later years are much weaker. What's even worse is after artists like Shitney Houston came on the scene, they weren't happy with just crossing over to pop, they wanted to conquer the extremely dull world of Adult Contemporary also. R&B radio in the late 1980s was flooded with balladeers during this time. It felt like an era full of black Barry Mannilows. All this crossing over let these record companies know that money could definately be made with black artists. When they learned that white kids liked hip hop, they immediately jumped on that genre, milked it for every dollar it was worth, and are still milking it today. Also, since the music was cheaper to make, they figured why not focus only on the R&B "singers" that have the hip hop sound. It's still singing but the music is cheaper to make. Once again, weakening the R&B/funk side. The music world was definately better when each genre had their own separate worlds and people were free to roam from station to station if they wanted something different. Your response intrigues me. What catergory would you put Prince in ? From "For You" through "1999", when he was only played on R&B stations, and also including "Purple Rain" when he achieved crossover success, I always saw him as an R&B funk artist with a harder rock edge. Funk and rock are both strong hard forms of music so funk, with a slight dose of rock, go together like chocolate and peanut butter in a "Reeses" peanut butter cup. Other groups were doing too like Rick James, The Barkays, Cameo, etc. If I had to classify Prince during these years, I would classify him as funk with a little harder edge than the average artist, which is why he was my favorite during this time. Beginning with "Around The World In A Day", I didn't know what the hell to classify him as. He started getting all psychadelic and retro and started adding orchestras which really weakened his music. However, I never saw him as doing a "Lionel Richie" or "Whitney Houston" and intentionally trying to cross over to pop because I knew this would be a turnoff for pop listeners also. I just saw Prince as losing his mind all on his own with no influence from either the pop or R&B world (well maybe being influenced by Wendy and Lisa) and going in a different direction altogether. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You know what? F*ck ALL you R&B haters. Half the muthaf*ckas that listen to Prince don't seem to listen to REAL R&B anyway. I'm sick of threads bashing a whole genre (R&B) and championing everything else when you don't even know the music. Yes, they play acts like "Omarion-of the-month", "Chris Brown-of-the-week" and "Lil fill-in-the-blank" way too much but to completely ignore artists like Anthony Hamilton, Jill Scott, Jaguar Wright, Angie Stone, Van Hunt, and so many others while repeating the same ol' broken record ass sh*t is downright contemptable. F*ck y'all. And f*ck Prince for saying that mess, too. No romance? Listen to Musiq's lyrics. Dude is a hopeless romantic. He doesn't play the double entender/metaphor game like Prince did. He straight up says whats in his heart - no games. You gotta respect that.
The music game has changed and people know this now. R&B was forced into the same category as rap by the rich racists (YES I SAID RACISTS) who run the business by making the claim that the same people who listen to R&B listen to rap (a big assed lie) and when rap sells a zillion copies because its marketed to white suburbia and R&B doesn't then R&B suffers and the artists are forced to play the same game of sensationalism in order to keep a record deal. R&B artists have to use sex the same way that rappers have to use street life to sell records. The rule is sell a million or get dropped. Prince chose to do this; he didn't HAVE to. If Prince came out today he wouldn't get a deal. He looks like a beyotch. That ain't gonna cut it today because the "powers that be" have collectively decided how they want their "negroes" to present themselves right now in order to sell and Prince ain't it. Think I'm lying? Name the light-skinned pretty boy types in the biz that are successful today. I rest my case. That is why there are so many good artists getting passed over - they don't fit a STEREOTYPE. Then you f*ckers come on here and compartmentalize R&B, citing the same stereotypes and overlooking the good to bitch about the bad. I'm as old skool as it gets but I at least have the audacity to actually look for new music (hello...myspace.com - search "funk" "R&B" ) before I condemn a whole GENRE of music. Like so many black folk, R&B doesn't pass the paper bag test. As long as there's a "crossover" element, then an artist gets respect around here. Let a nigga drop some pure R&B and they get hated to hell (boring, etc.) and all the same ol' noise about no new, good, creative artists existing gets regergitated. Here's a newsflash: Prince never was pure R&B, so he's not one to talk and a lot of you are pop R&B listeners. If you've never looked elsewhere other than the short ends of Clear Channel to find new music then this means you. Yes you, too. Flame all you want. The TRUTH is what it is. Real R&B heads KNOW there is good R&B and creative artists and real R&B heads know they have to look further than their noses for GOOD R&B because Clear Channel is satisfied peddling formulated wattered-down BS and passing it off as R&B because surburbia buys it and accepts it and that's who they care about selling to. 14-24 year old girls/women. THAT is the target market - ALWAYS. QUIT BITCHING, BITCHES and look for some new music on your own instead of posting about how there isn't any. I'll get black with you posers later. Blaque out. Great post!! Damn, I had to read that twice for an encore. LOL! But yeah man, I feel the exact same way. Im just 23 old and Im not really feeling too much of whats big nowdays in R&B cause too much of it sounds alike and repetitive, but Im not gonna criticize any of them cause I accept the fact thats just whats "in" nowadays...and plus them artists are gettin they money and I respect that, times is hard, you gotta do what gotta do to make your c-notes. So I just kinda look elsewhere. Lately Ive been scoping out the indie and underground scenes, and hitting up cdbaby.com, myspace.com, iuma.com and soundclick, etc. Other than Raphael Saadiq, there's Raheem Devaughn, Martin Luther, Havana, Eric Roberson, Sarah Devine, and alot of others. But anyway, its simple, if you dont like what hear or see, just turn your TV and your radio off and look for something else. | |
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vainandy said: From "For You" through "1999", when he was only played on R&B stations, and also including "Purple Rain" when he achieved crossover success, I always saw him as an R&B funk artist with a harder rock edge. Funk and rock are both strong hard forms of music so funk, with a slight dose of rock, go together like chocolate and peanut butter in a "Reeses" peanut butter cup. Other groups were doing too like Rick James, The Barkays, Cameo, etc. If I had to classify Prince during these years, I would classify him as funk with a little harder edge than the average artist, which is why he was my favorite during this time. Beginning with "Around The World In A Day", I didn't know what the hell to classify him as. He started getting all psychadelic and retro and started adding orchestras which really weakened his music. However, I never saw him as doing a "Lionel Richie" or "Whitney Houston" and intentionally trying to cross over to pop because I knew this would be a turnoff for pop listeners also. I just saw Prince as losing his mind all on his own with no influence from either the pop or R&B world (well maybe being influenced by Wendy and Lisa) and going in a different direction altogether. The thing is in England when I was growing up we never really had that many different stations for different genres like we do now. It was almost mainstream and non-mainstream. For me I always classed Prince as slightly non-mainstream because his lyrics really made you think unlike the rest of the run-of-the mill music. But then a couple of Prince songs would cross-over into the main stream charts and he'd be played everywhere. Shops, cafes, pubs, clubs etc.... Most music in England seems to start off underground but if it's good we're all going to want to hear it no matter what genre it is. But on the radio stations in England it only seems to be 'lite' music. Music that although it can be cutting edge has little emotional impact. Maybe it's different now. There are a lot more radio stations these days. Even if there's a radio show special on Prince they only seem to touch on his more radio friendly music. I don't think I've ever heard 'Head' on the radio. Shut up already, damn. | |
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pepper7 said:
The thing is in England when I was growing up we never really had that many different stations for different genres like we do now. It's funny how things can be see different in different parts of the world. Here in the U.S., we had separate stations for everything. The only time something outside that genre was played on a station, was if it fit in really well with the type of music the station played. For instance, a pop song like Hall & Oates "I Can't Go For That" received much airplay on R&B stations because it fit in well with R&B. You weren't going to hear something by Def Leppard on R&B radio though because it would totally clash. On the pop side of the fence, you might hear something lighter like Lionel Richie's "All Night Long" on pop radio which basically played whatever was extremely popular by society as whole. You would never hear some hardcore funk like The Barkays on pop radio because it was way too funky and wouldn't fit in. Even though you might hear Lionel Richie on pop radio, you would never hear him on rock radio because he wouldn't fit in at all. I don't recall ever hearing anything by Prince on all rock radio, not even "Let's Go Crazy". Of course, things vary in different states. But on the radio stations in England it only seems to be 'lite' music. Music that although it can be cutting edge has little emotional impact.
I don't care for "emotional" music too much but if you are meaning that music on these stations was mainly light music like Adult Contemporary, I would have gone crazy over there. I would have stayed underground. Even if there's a radio show special on Prince they only seem to touch on his more radio friendly music. I don't think I've ever heard 'Head' on the radio.
In my area, "Head" received tons of R&B radio airplay back in the day. As a matter of fact, the first place I ever heard the song was on a local television dance show. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: pepper7 said:
The thing is in England when I was growing up we never really had that many different stations for different genres like we do now. It's funny how things can be see different in different parts of the world. Here in the U.S., we had separate stations for everything. The only time something outside that genre was played on a station, was if it fit in really well with the type of music the station played. For instance, a pop song like Hall & Oates "I Can't Go For That" received much airplay on R&B stations because it fit in well with R&B. You weren't going to hear something by Def Leppard on R&B radio though because it would totally clash. On the pop side of the fence, you might hear something lighter like Lionel Richie's "All Night Long" on pop radio which basically played whatever was extremely popular by society as whole. You would never hear some hardcore funk like The Barkays on pop radio because it was way too funky and wouldn't fit in. Even though you might hear Lionel Richie on pop radio, you would never hear him on rock radio because he wouldn't fit in at all. I don't recall ever hearing anything by Prince on all rock radio, not even "Let's Go Crazy". Of course, things vary in different states. I don't care for "emotional" music too much but if you are meaning that music on these stations was mainly light music like Adult Contemporary, I would have gone crazy over there. I would have stayed underground. Even if there's a radio show special on Prince they only seem to touch on his more radio friendly music. I don't think I've ever heard 'Head' on the radio.
In my area, "Head" received tons of R&B radio airplay back in the day. As a matter of fact, the first place I ever heard the song was on a local television dance show. Yeah I live in London now and there is definately more of a mixture. There's tons of radio stations here that do stick to genres. But I would LOVE to hear Head played on the radio. Especially back in the days when it was first out. I do find a lot of Princes music quite emotional because it always touches a nerve and makes me think. His music can also have a strong spiritual edge which I also find quite emotional. Plus his lyrics often make you stop and think 'Blimey, what is he singing there...that's good..!' Shut up already, damn. | |
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morningsong said: Hey, "Bills, bills, bills" was the jam back in the day, and yep men and women are talking like that to one another.
I noticed he didn't mention "Scrubs", he must've liked that one. All I can say is I'm going to miss TLC, they brought something special and unique to the table, and they were cute too. R. Kelley, his stuff has been pretty good, but I won't buy it. Taking a piddle on little girls just went way over the line for me. Is that what happened to Dave Chappell, talking too much? I have news for you youngster. Bills Bills Bills is not back in the day. You have to go back further than that to use that term. | |
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Universaluv said: It's not quite dead but it's hurting. Too many producers, not enough musicians. Still, seeing artist like Leela James make some waves gives me hope (though they tend to get labeled "neo-soul" for some reason.)
Honestly, with music in general there's always been more crap than cream. Although the crap may dominate the charts at any given time, the cream will still be making records in ten years. keep hope alive! . Agreed. And all the producers keep reycycling the same material for different artists. It really pisses me off. And it's just one of the many reasons that I have only made a few purchases of by artists that have come along in the last decade. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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pepper7 said:
But I would LOVE to hear Head played on the radio. Especially back in the days when it was first out. It was wonderful when it first came out. I didn't know what "Head" meant at the time but all I knew was the song was a sho-nuff ass shaker. I do find a lot of Princes music quite emotional because it always touches a nerve and makes me think.
His music can also have a strong spiritual edge which I also find quite emotional. It's the exact opposite for me when it comes to Prince or even music in general. The first thing that catches my ear is the music itself. The rhythm, the bassline, the drums, etc. Whether it has ass shakin' appeal or not. That's what's missing in today's R&B.....no ass shakin' appeal. A rhythm and groove that makes your ass move before your mind even has time to think. Plus his lyrics often make you stop and think 'Blimey, what is he singing there...that's good..!'
Prince's lyrics can definately get your mind to thinking. It's like doing a puzzle sometimes. . . [Edited 12/9/05 8:34am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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No I didn't know what it meant when I first heard it either !!!
I think that's why it's a particular fave. Shut up already, damn. | |
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Well, what was "The Time" about? What about "Vanity 6"? What were the types of songs he wrote for them? What were the main components of their songs? Some of the same stuff alot of contemporary artists sing and rhyme about is what a few of his groups thrived on and made a living off of, so....
(in 'old geezer voice') "Music ain't the same as it used to be". It's not supposed to be. Every older generation seems to have that same old gripe. Was there ever a time when some people just listened to the music, love it or not, without going over-the-top with their analysis of how things are, and how they think they "should/shouldn't be"? People write/sing/perform/buy/listen to what they want. A #1 song today doesn't make it any more or less "real" than a #93 song 20 years ago. All music has it's relevance, whether people like it or not. | |
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Vainandy hit the nail dead on the head with the segregated radio post. Its true. When there was seperation of genres they were all stronger. People nowadays like to argue "what is" a lot more than back then. You used to not have to attempt to rationalize or play semantics when it came to what was what. Something was either funky or it wasn't. It was rocked out or NOT. Now people write all kinds of bullsh*t and call it something its not and then use the "opinion defense" to attempt to market themselves to that group and with the help of a major label, they usually eventually do. | |
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jone70 said: Krystal666 said: I was looking in the gallery when I came across that "My father named me Prince" interview in Code magazine. There was a good paragraph in there about today's R&B music.
Prince said "I've been tripping latley on how wack Rhythem and Blues sounds today. It's either(songs like) 'Bills, Bills, Bills" or "No Pigons" If that is the way men and women speak to eachother, no wonder relationships are such a mess." Prince shakes his head and laments the lack of real romance in today's music. I guess the state of R&B didn't bother him enough to not perform with Beyonce at the Grammy's... And really, do you want to take relationship advice from Prince? (disagreers please don't hurt me ) I was thinking the same thing and i was looking if someone had posted it cause i was going 2. I still addore you Prince | |
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TWO WORDS JOSS STONE
This girl at my job put this CD on her 2nd album apparently, and I heard some of the finest R&B soul singing ever. Shes got great songs and an even better voice the biggest shock I got was shes a 19 year old White girl, I just siad to the girl who was getting into it (This is the new Prince) It is absolutely mind blowing. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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RepoMan said: shorttrini said: Applaud Prince for speaking his mind. U say that the kids nowadays don't care, well appearently, mOST of the adults don't care either, since most kids get their taste in music from what not only their friends listen to, but their parents. [Edited 12/7/05 7:37am] Speaking his mind, that's it? The internet is full of people who speak their mind. Besides, I think it's ironic Prince speaks on this. Wasn't he one of the people who started this mess in the first place with his skank ass ho's dancing around in lingerie to highly sexual songs? If that isn't "lack of romance" then I don't know what is. I can't argue with that. When you're right, you're right. | |
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sonofblade said: morningsong said: Hey, "Bills, bills, bills" was the jam back in the day, and yep men and women are talking like that to one another.
I noticed he didn't mention "Scrubs", he must've liked that one. All I can say is I'm going to miss TLC, they brought something special and unique to the table, and they were cute too. R. Kelley, his stuff has been pretty good, but I won't buy it. Taking a piddle on little girls just went way over the line for me. Is that what happened to Dave Chappell, talking too much? I have news for you youngster. Bills Bills Bills is not back in the day. You have to go back further than that to use that term. agreed. | |
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heckaslammin said: sonofblade said: I have news for you youngster. Bills Bills Bills is not back in the day. You have to go back further than that to use that term. agreed. OMG somebody thinks "bills bills bills" is back in the day??? God help us! | |
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To a point, u do see some love in the 50cent movie, theres a Prince like devotion in his attitude to Charlene. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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Krystal666 said: Zelaira said: Damn KRys and Prince. . I happento like all the NEW R & B but yeah, the Cuture today is just about Getting it On say at the CLUB,Drinking Alot and Smoking Weed. LOL.... Romance seems to be OUT the Door... It's all about SEX,SEX,SEX and More SEX,SEX,SEX and it's on T.V. at 8pm and Cursing is Everywhere and seems like Group SEx is Popular in Dialog also. Watch the Dating Shows,Spring Break Stuff... It's just NUDITY and SEX...
[Edited 12/5/05 17:48pm] It is desensitizing. It is too much. You just wanna scream CALM DOWN. I feel sorry for my generation really. I'm glad I paid attention to older people when I was younger. Young people today need to realise that the opposite sex are more than just a physical entitity. Don't they care to connect on any mental, emotional,spitural way? Sex without a connection is so selfish and empty feeling. Honestly I would rather go masturbate than just fuck a guy on the first date that I was only half into. I'm not sure about the state of R & B.....but, is there anyway to get this on a webcast up in dis joint?? "If you wanna feel the FUNK....then you have to know the SOUL!!!"-----(Up and Down...just like a seesaw, Back and Forth...oh girl I'm fallin) | |
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NPGman said: Krystal666 said: It is desensitizing. It is too much. You just wanna scream CALM DOWN. I feel sorry for my generation really. I'm glad I paid attention to older people when I was younger. Young people today need to realise that the opposite sex are more than just a physical entitity. Don't they care to connect on any mental, emotional,spitural way? Sex without a connection is so selfish and empty feeling. Honestly I would rather go masturbate than just fuck a guy on the first date that I was only half into. I'm not sure about the state of R & B.....but, is there anyway to get this on a webcast up in dis joint?? | |
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Krystal666 said: I was looking in the gallery when I came across that "My father named me Prince" interview in Code magazine. There was a good paragraph in there about today's R&B music.
Prince said "I've been tripping latley on how wack Rhythem and Blues sounds today. It's either(songs like) 'Bills, Bills, Bills" or "No Pigons" If that is the way men and women speak to eachother, no wonder relationships are such a mess." Prince shakes his head and laments the lack of real romance in today's music. I really have to applaude Prince for his observation. He is totally right. New R&B music is just really lame. I love seventies and eighties R&B because it was very sexy and sensual. Nowadays it is all "What are you gonna do for me?" "I'm going to play you" It is all about this stupid power men and women think they have over eachother. What happened to just liking someone and expressing it and wanting to be around them not for any personal gain but because you just feel good around them? Right on Prince. [Edited 12/5/05 7:29am] Prince is right! R&B music today lacks originality and feeling and that's the problem. It doesn't make the listener feel anything and it's mostly trash . | |
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Another problem is that the people who really care, and are passionate about the music (just about all of us on this board and other music sites) are a minority compared to the rest of the popualtion. Your average person, unfortunately, doesn't give a f*ck, one way or the other...they just want something to dance to, something agressive to get pumped up to, or something to put on in the background and ignore...they really aren't passionate about the music itself....so they don't notice when they're constantly fed garbage.... I agree with vainandy...the Industry developed a way to make the most money out of this, and it has nothing to do with the actual music...it was more cost effective for them to make disposable artists that they could throw out there, dispose of, and replace...and they KNOW that most people don't care... most people just follow trends and wait to be told what to like...whatever they are told is the NEXT BIG THING, that's what they'll buy and listen to (I swear, if the Industry tells people that the Soundtrack to somebody F**king a goat is the next big thing, that's what most people will buy, ) Seriously, it's sad for us, because we have to dig, search hard and chase down the "Real Music" out there, and it's really hard for those artists, especially if they're trying to make any kind of living off of it.... a few years back, an industry executive said, "It's sad, but if a young Hendrix walked in here today, with challenging music and chops to burn, I'd have to show him the door, because there's no money in it..." ... [Edited 1/24/06 11:11am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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shorttrini said: I have a question....Do you all think that they will be playing today's music 40 years from now? Our parent's music is still being played 40 years later? If your answer is no,then you know where what the shape is of today's music.
They still play Beethoven and Mozart !!! Then again, They where talented musicians I reckon some of it will still be played...Which ?? Who knows. Can you imagine Robbie Williams being treated with the same prowess as Elvis or the Beatles are today ??? ..... Scary..... | |
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Krystal666 said: NPGman said: I'm not sure about the state of R & B.....but, is there anyway to get this on a webcast up in dis joint?? Harder baby harder!!!! I like that...get out the licorice and bubble gum too. "If you wanna feel the FUNK....then you have to know the SOUL!!!"-----(Up and Down...just like a seesaw, Back and Forth...oh girl I'm fallin) | |
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RepoMan said: shorttrini said: Applaud Prince for speaking his mind. U say that the kids nowadays don't care, well appearently, mOST of the adults don't care either, since most kids get their taste in music from what not only their friends listen to, but their parents. [Edited 12/7/05 7:37am] Speaking his mind, that's it? The internet is full of people who speak their mind. Besides, I think it's ironic Prince speaks on this. Wasn't he one of the people who started this mess in the first place with his skank ass ho's dancing around in lingerie to highly sexual songs? If that isn't "lack of romance" then I don't know what is. I loved the "skank ass ho's" (LOL)....but you make some great points...Motherfuckers on the Org. can't have it both ways.."Darling Niki" paved the way for hip-hop's balls-to-the-walls spirit..After that NWA was able to say "Fuck The Police"...Today we have chicks in bathing suits shaking their ass on the screen (Vanity 6 anyone???) It's a slippery slope, people...For every cause there's an effect... | |
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murph said: RepoMan said: Speaking his mind, that's it? The internet is full of people who speak their mind. Besides, I think it's ironic Prince speaks on this. Wasn't he one of the people who started this mess in the first place with his skank ass ho's dancing around in lingerie to highly sexual songs? If that isn't "lack of romance" then I don't know what is. I loved the "skank ass ho's" (LOL)....but you make some great points...Motherfuckers on the Org. can't have it both ways.."Darling Niki" paved the way for hip-hop's balls-to-the-walls spirit..After that NWA was able to say "Fuck The Police"...Today we have chicks in bathing suits shaking their ass on the screen (Vanity 6 anyone???) It's a slippery slope, people...For every cause there's an effect... You cannot compare today's "video hoe" with vanity 6. To begin with Vanity 6 were dressed a lot more tastefully than today's girls and they were not shaking their ass. What Prince is saying about the state of R&B can only be illustrated by the invention of satalite radio. People nowadays, want more of a choice when it comes to their music. Creativity is lacking and although he has not released stuff that is up to par with his old stuf, there is still something very different about it. Also, he is not afraid unlike some artists, to take chances. His new single is a good example of that. Like a said in a previous post on the subject, it is the record company's, the people who are buying this crap and the traditional R&B stations who are to blame for the state of R&B and for music in general. Until we do our own research on the talent that is out their, we are going to be still in the same old musical rutt. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: murph said: I loved the "skank ass ho's" (LOL)....but you make some great points...Motherfuckers on the Org. can't have it both ways.."Darling Niki" paved the way for hip-hop's balls-to-the-walls spirit..After that NWA was able to say "Fuck The Police"...Today we have chicks in bathing suits shaking their ass on the screen (Vanity 6 anyone???) It's a slippery slope, people...For every cause there's an effect... You cannot compare today's "video hoe" with vanity 6. To begin with Vanity 6 were dressed a lot more tastefully than today's girls and they were not shaking their ass. . I'm sorry but I disagree. The way Vanity 6/Apollonia 6 were dressed and the songs they sang about WERE very risque. I mean they were wearing lingere onstage IN THE EIGHTIES...do you know who sported garter belts, teddies, and fishnet pantyhose in the eighties? Pornstars and strippers...so for their time they were just as pornstarish as the video hoes. But Prince's girls were sexier because they had a personality and were naturaly beautiful unlike those fake/phoney bitches I see on my TV nowadays. | |
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Universaluv said: JDINTERACTIVE said: So says the man who once declared 'I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth'. Prince's highbrow and to some extent hypocrital opinion of his peers rubs me up the wrong way.
Yeah Prince said that, and there are a million other "lowbrow" Prince lyrics to choose from. But he also took the time to say alot more than just that. That's just part of the difference. Hold on a minute here. We can't be taking these Prince lyrics seriously here ? I mean 'I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth' -- It's funny isn't it ? Not offensive? There's humour in them there lyrics. Isn't Prince trying to impress us by being the nastiest, dirtiest bad ass. Oh no Prince is no goody two shoes! There's so much bravado in Prince's lowbrow lyrics that you've just got to laugh at them. Wasn't he just poking fun at all those macho stereotype crooners ? Didn't he always do it with a bit of a twinkle in his eye? Prince is funny people - that's why it works. (Or worked. I'm not sure where his sense of humour is at these days but it's not in his song lyrics) None of the huffing and puffing of the serious music stars of today. Shut up already, damn. | |
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I agree with Krystal, Vanity 6 have a lot to answer for. I mean Prince wanted to call the group the hookers and Vanity was going to be called Vagina. 6 is the nipple count. This is ghetto ass Shamika shit if eva u saw it. Look at the album, every song is about sex.
3 x 2 =6, 3 girls, 6 breasts Bite the Beat about Oral sex Hes so dull a males lack of sex performance. Nasty Girl, u know what shes being nasty about. Make up, reconciliation sex Drive me wild - self explanatory Wet Dream - no comment If a girl answers... No comment Vanity 6 was lambasted by feminists on its release as extremely sexist and nilnilistic music back in the day. The girls had very little musical talent (Brenda had done some session work, Susan was an ex fling of Prince's, and Vanity was Denise Matthews an ex porno star). Prince wrote and played all the songs, the girls did vocals and photos, again cleaned up by Prince and directed by Prince. They were the start of his flirtation with people selected for looks rather than talent, ie who he was boning at the time. These gals were the ancestors of the Sugarbabes!!!! Lines like "I cant stand it, I need 7 inhes or more", did not help matters, the girls were so talentless that The Time had to play the music behind a curtain on the Triple Threat Tour. In an essence "THEY WERE HOS" and My Humps is like the work of Gloria Steinem next to these girls. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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